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    TU-2000 and mig-2000

    Post  milky_candy_sugar on Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:18 pm

    I've made several researches lately concerning project TU-2000 ( i am wondering, is the russian government started to invest in the project again?), when i came across "MIG-2000". Sadly, i couldn't find many additional informations concerning this project, and how it is different from TU-2000. Does anyone have any informations concerning this? Thanks

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    Re: TU-2000 and mig-2000

    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:40 pm

    milky_candy_sugar wrote:I've made several researches lately concerning project TU-2000 ( i am wondering, is the russian government started to invest in the project again?), when i came across "MIG-2000". Sadly, i couldn't find many additional informations concerning this project, and how it is different from TU-2000. Does anyone have any informations concerning this? Thanks

    Both dead projects... the MiG-2000 and Tu-2000 were in competition with each other in the contest for a reusable space vehicle with hypersonic engines to get top speed before releasing a booster to get escape velocity. Tu-2000 won the competition but was cancelled due to funding. Tupelov now has the job of designing a hypersonic bomber that will expand on the work of the Tu-2000... difference is this one won't be going into space.

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    Re: TU-2000 and mig-2000

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:59 pm

    Speaking of Pak Da, correct?

    Tupelov did state that it will be using a whole new airframe but concepts taking from TU-160 and Tu-22M series. Since you do not need both in today's warfare enviornment.

    Hope to see it by at least 2015 like MoD says.

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    Re: TU-2000 and mig-2000

    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:33 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Speaking of Pak Da, correct?

    Tupelov did state that it will be using a whole new airframe but concepts taking from TU-160 and Tu-22M series. Since you do not need both in today's warfare enviornment.

    Hope to see it by at least 2015 like MoD says.

    I don't know what concepts you can apply to a hypersonic aerocraft except transonic regime and landing config. It is going to be radically different design.

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    Re: TU-2000 and mig-2000

    Post  milky_candy_sugar on Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:20 am

    Indeed, completely different
    ....geez sometimes i hate Gorbachev for something...
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    cuz of him TU-2000 is cancelled unshaven

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    Re: TU-2000 and mig-2000

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:55 pm

    milky_candy_sugar wrote:Indeed, completely different
    ....geez sometimes i hate Gorbachev for something...
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    cuz of him TU-2000 is cancelled unshaven

    Gorby is a h8ed name in these parts. He and his crony Yeltsin destroyed this country.

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    Re: TU-2000 and mig-2000

    Post  milky_candy_sugar on Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:06 pm

    Now the governement better rebuild it fast....democracy doesn't really work in Russia, socially you always preffered strong types of governments (ofcourse not complete dictatorship). So Gorby and Yelstin's politic was shitty, it destroyed it all. Now Medvedev better work it out, economically Russia is not in a great situation at the moment, especially with the crisis
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    Re: TU-2000 and mig-2000

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:23 pm

    milky_candy_sugar wrote:Now the governement better rebuild it fast....democracy doesn't really work in Russia, socially you always preffered strong types of governments (ofcourse not complete dictatorship). So Gorby and Yelstin's politic was shitty, it destroyed it all. Now Medvedev better work it out, economically Russia is not in a great situation at the moment, especially with the crisis
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    Russian democracy is at work, we want strong leaders who bring us prosperity and power. We have unhindered internet access so whoever wants to speak has their voices heard. If the government does not perform, people hit the streets as the million man march got Yeltsin to resign. Leaders know if the people don't support them, they won't last.

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    Re: TU-2000 and mig-2000

    Post  milky_candy_sugar on Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:25 pm

    But once they are, the way they applicate the government is quite strong compared to other countries.....
    Pah "democracy is when 51% of the people impose it's reign over the resting 49%"....

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    Re: TU-2000 and mig-2000

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:41 pm

    As an average citizen, I don't see it. I am free to say what I want, go online and post what I want, I can get a permit and protest where I want, I can go on strike anytime. It is the people that don't follow the rules of the system that recieve a heavy hand. Instead of fighting it, you work inside it to get change.

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    Post  milky_candy_sugar on Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:01 pm

    "The rules of the system"- that's somehow the point
    But yeeesh i don't really like actual russian government....even if they can sound cool sometimes but they got a loooong way to go before becoming THE superpower

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    Re: TU-2000 and mig-2000

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:25 pm

    What would you like to see happen in Russia?

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    Re: TU-2000 and mig-2000

    Post  milky_candy_sugar on Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:30 pm

    Personally? First of all, resolving all the main problems such as intern administration, diversification/modernisation of consumer's industry (third sector), demography etc
    after....i'll see

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    Re: TU-2000 and mig-2000

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:22 pm

    Well, I can't say much about the rest of it, but demography is picking up. We had our first population growth in the last 15 years.

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    Re: TU-2000 and mig-2000

    Post  milky_candy_sugar on Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:24 pm

    *i'd like to somehow contribute to the demography xoxo russia *
    yeah i heard of it, but how many per cents?

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