New Iranian anti-aircraft missile system 15th Khordad comes into service
The air defense forces of the Iranian Army received further development of the Iranian Talash anti-aircraft systems - the 15th Khordad anti-aircraft missile system (Panzdah Khordad). The new anti-aircraft missile system received a new Navid phased-array radar for targeting and illumination of targets, and uses the Sayyad-3 anti-aircraft missiles with a range of up to 120 km and the older and less-long-range Sayyad-2 anti-aircraft missiles presented in 2017. Prior to that, the Talash air defense system had previously entered into service with the air defense of the Army with such radars.
Accordingly, it was stated that with the help of a new radar, the complex can simultaneously intercept six targets at a distance of up to 120 km, the target detection range is up to 150 km. In the case of more difficult unobtrusive targets, a detection range of up to 85 km and a range of damage of up to 45 km are declared. The height of the destruction of targets to 27 km. The deployment time of the complex is less than 5 minutes.
The name, as I understand it, is given in memory of the suppressed uprising against the Shah 15th Hordad of 1342 on the Iranian calendar (June 5, 1963).
Video from one of the tests with the launch of the Sayyad-2 SAM at the drone target from IRIB
P.S. Actually, it should be noted that the AKS KSIR began to receive its own version of the air defense system equipped with new radars with phased arrays 2.5-3 years ago, it first appeared during the February exercises in 2017, but it differs from the army ones.
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A US military drone has been shot down by an Iranian surface-to-air missile while in international airspace over the Strait of Hormuz, US officials say. One official told Reuters news agency the drone was a US Navy MQ-4C Triton. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-iran-usa/iran-shoots-down-us-military-drone-in-gulf-region-idUKKCN1TL07U
At least the Russians aren't making a big deal out of Iran stealing their tech and designs. Probably by design.... although it could always have been much more profitable for Russia if it just grew a couple balls and sold them the systems instead. The price of political games.
It looks like it was shot down by this Raad Iranian made SAM complex. Anyway, iranian first domestic complex got its first combat kill.
There was an intersting commebt by twitter user Syrian Military Capabilities, saying it may have been a russian system that downed the drone but iranian give credits to homemade systems for propaganda. If true that would mean they don't trust their homemade systems at all to not bet on them as first line of defence.
ATLASCUB wrote:At least the Russians aren't making a big deal out of Iran stealing their tech and designs. Probably by design.... although it could always have been much more profitable for Russia if it just grew a couple balls and sold them the systems instead. The price of political games.
Nice Iranian BUK.
If you are refering to the iranian s-300 not veing delivered for years because of Israel, you should know that at that time Russia was negociating for israeli drone ToT which was very important. When they got the drones and the transfert of tech they gave the s-300 to Iran and even offered s-400.
For the syrian S-300, they just didn't gave it because israeli would have destroyed them and it would have made very bad publicity to the whole family and they wouldn't be selling s-400 to india, turkey ... but israel, french and US would be selling their own barak, patriot and asters.
Iran's problems are not Russian's problem. They have no deals that oblige russians to go at war for them neither russia has to give them weapons for free.
Russia plays its cards very well. Iran and syria don't.
It looks like it was shot down by this Raad Iranian made SAM complex. Anyway, iranian first domestic complex got its first combat kill.
There was an intersting commebt by twitter user Syrian Military Capabilities, saying it may have been a russian system that downed the drone but iranian give credits to homemade systems for propaganda. If true that would mean they don't trust their homemade systems at all to not bet on them as first line of defence.
Iran have only S-300PMU2 and Tor-M1 from Russia and they are at different more important locations. I would not underestimate Iran. They learn a lot when they start producing Crotale and Hawk complexes and they also got help from Russia and China.
Probably by design.... although it could always have been much more profitable for Russia if it just grew a couple balls and sold them the systems instead. The price of political games.
Having big balls can make you a target... besides as long as the technology is paid for... why would Russia care what systems did the job... more importantly why would they care that the western media does not credit them for the kill.
End result is russia likely made some money, Iran is now pleased with its purchase and will likely ramp up production, and the US lost a drone. A good day all round I would say.
If true that would mean they don't trust their homemade systems at all to not bet on them as first line of defence.
It does not follow logically. For all we know a Russian system might have killed the drone because the drone was in the sector controlled by the Russian system... had it entered at another point it might have been shot down by a clone... it may have been shot down by a clone for all we know.
Waiting for the footage of a Russian BUK missile brigade moving in to the area 24 hours before the attack and then bugging out immediately and the Dutch government blaming local rebels for the attack.
ATLASCUB wrote:At least the Russians aren't making a big deal out of Iran stealing their tech and designs. Probably by design.... although it could always have been much more profitable for Russia if it just grew a couple balls and sold them the systems instead. The price of political games.
Nice Iranian BUK.
Iran never have any Buk, so they didn't steal any tech. Iran have Kub and Standard missiles and they developed Raad from those two systems and create it to look like Belarus Buk-M1 or Buk-M2 with this six wheal vehicle. Maybe they got some help from Russia to develop it and they succede. They got their first combat kill. Iran made better complex than Indian Akash.
A few points about the use of SAM system against yanks . In the past they relied heavily on spoofing the radar by providing false target . So radar switched on . This time they will do this by drones as well , in advance of fighters . They then jam SAM radar and launched HARM at close ranges . Then fighters and Bombers come in . Stealth or otherwise . To overcome this tactic then :
( 1) Provide many radar signals ( send only ) near main radar , either mobile or dug in .
( 2 ) SAM , can position ahead of radar , giving shorter interception path .
( 3 ) First SAM , can be home on jam . HARM short range .
( 4) Active radar homing by SAM , means main radar swithed off early .
ATLASCUB wrote:At least the Russians aren't making a big deal out of Iran stealing their tech and designs. Probably by design.... although it could always have been much more profitable for Russia if it just grew a couple balls and sold them the systems instead. The price of political games.
Nice Iranian BUK.
Iran never have any Buk, so they didn't steal any tech. Iran have Kub and Standard missiles and they developed Raad from those two systems and create it to look like Belarus Buk-M1 or Buk-M2 with this six wheal vehicle. Maybe they got some help from Russia to develop it and they succede. They got their first combat kill. Iran made better complex than Indian Akash.
Lol have you looked at the design of that thing? If they intended to create something original they would have come up with a completely different configuration - specially the radar general design. They did not. They had to have a Buk to reverse engineer its core design... whether through a doc dump (schematics/technical docs) or the actual hardware itself via a third party if not a sample directly from Russia.
whether through a doc dump (schematics/technical docs) or the actual hardware itself via a third party if not a sample directly from Russia. Back to top
Ukraine sold buks to georgia during the 2008 war. There was even a story of some guys arrested because they wanted to sell military uranium.
Moreover Russian scientists could have been payed to help copy the buk by the iranians. Or even the chinese, NORINCO doesn't give a fuck about embargos at all.
Just to say they wouldn't have any difficulty finding help for their SAMs in general.
( 1) Provide many radar signals ( send only ) near main radar , either mobile or dug in .
( 2 ) SAM , can position ahead of radar , giving shorter interception path .
( 3 ) First SAM , can be home on jam . HARM short range .
( 4) Active radar homing by SAM , means main radar swithed off early .
The short wing model BUK is not SA-11, it is SA-17 and can shoot down HARM missiles too, so (5) use mass produced local copy of middle model BUK to shoot down everything in the skies over Iran... decoys, drones, and stealth planes... don't take chances.
Iran never have any Buk in armament, so they didn't copy it. They have Kub in armament and they take three missile launcher from Kub. Missile have longer range than Buk-M2 simply because it is made from Standard SM-1 missile. They change fins, to look like Buk, but it is still made from Standard missile.
In the Picture we could see older Talash complex, which use Sayyad 2 missiles. Its engagement radar is similar to AN/SPG-51 from naval SM-1. Iran at first just made a copy of US SAMs with reverse engineering , which started just to make spare parts. When they fully master this tzechnology, they start to improve it with replacing old electronics with newer digital ones, which they receive from Russia and China. Than with the help of Russia and China, they receive PESA and AESA radar technology and replace old radars with new ones as well as replacing homing heads with newer more modern ones.
Original HAWK SARH homing head
New Iran made HAWK missile with new ARH homing head.
Iran never have any Buk in armament, so they didn't copy it. They have Kub in armament and they take three missile launcher from Kub. Missile have longer range than Buk-M2 simply because it is made from Standard SM-1 missile. They change fins, to look like Buk, but it is still made from Standard missile.
In the Picture we could see older Talash complex, which use Sayyad 2 missiles. Its engagement radar is similar to AN/SPG-51 from naval SM-1. Iran at first just made a copy of US SAMs with reverse engineering , which started just to make spare parts. When they fully master this tzechnology, they start to improve it with replacing old electronics with newer digital ones, which they receive from Russia and China. Than with the help of Russia and China, they receive PESA and AESA radar technology and replace old radars with new ones as well as replacing homing heads with newer more modern ones.
Original HAWK SARH homing head
New Iran made HAWK missile with new ARH homing head.
You're going to great lengths to deny what is too obvious to the eye. I'm not sure If I should take all of that seriously.
BTW I'm not denying that the Iranians have indigenous capabilities that they've worked on their own, and apply those as they try to copy Russian designs - even resulting in improvement in some areas. Still however, that specific weapon system, was from the inception, a planned copy of the Buk-M2EK, even if they inserted some of their tech in. There are many visual cues of their own inputs on that copy but it's still a copy.
This one is also a copy, that looks completely different. Still a copy.
A rather interesting system from the Raad \ Tabas \ 3rd Khordad SAM system. Raad-2 was developed along with them and also uses Taer-2 missiles, but it is usually lost against the background of the brothers in the family, although it was created according to a very interesting concept. If Tabas and 3rd Khordad SAMs use radar to detect and track a target, as well as its subsequent illumination, in this case, an optical-electronic system is responsible for detecting and tracking a target. Radar, as I understand it, is responsible only for highlighting targets for an anti-aircraft missile, that is, there is very little time available. This reduces the likelihood of detection and destruction of the complex, especially in conditions of complete domination of the enemy in the air.
The complex is divided into a launcher on a regular truck and a trailer or a separate car with radar and ECO complex. Declared a maximum detection distance of up to 55 km., Well, the rocket has a range of up to 50 km.
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