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    Iran Air Defense Systems

    Post  nightcrawler on Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:09 am

    Iran says tests own model of Russian S-300 missile

    Credit: Reuters/Iran's Army

    TEHRAN | Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:33am EST

    TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran has successfully tested its own version of a missile system that Russia declined to supply amid concerns Tehran might be seeking nuclear weapons, a military official was quoted as saying on Thursday.

    Russia infuriated Iran in September when it canceled the S-300 missile order after heavy lobbying from the United States and Israel, which said the system could be used to help Iran shield its nuclear facilities from possible future air strikes.

    State-run Press TV quoted a commander of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards as saying Tehran had adapted another Russian-made missile system to perform like the more sophisticated S-300.

    "We have developed the system by upgrading systems like the S-200 and we have tested it successfully," Brigadier General Mohammad Hassan Mansourian said, according to Press TV's website.

    Some Western analysts doubt Iran's ability to replicate the S-300, a precision, mobile, long-range air defense system that can detect, track and destroy ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and low-flying aircraft.

    However, some Western officials suspect Iran's development of more sophisticated missiles could serve the goal of attaining a deliverable nuclear weapon.

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    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev banned delivery of the S-300s in September, saying it would violate expanded U.N. sanctions over Iran's refusal to curb a nuclear programme many countries fear is aimed at making a bomb, a charge it denies.

    Medvedev was due to meet Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad later on Thursday at a summit of Caspian Sea states in Azerbaijan where the issue of reopening nuclear talks was likely to be raised.

    Iran, which says it is seeking nuclear technology for solely peaceful ends, has agreed in principle to return to talks -- on ice for more than a year -- with Russia, the United States, China, Britain, France and Germany, possibly on December 5.

    The venue and agenda of the talks has yet to be set.

    Iran has said it is not willing to negotiate away its right to nuclear technology and, speaking at the summit, Ahmadinejad said Iran would not bend to threats or sanctions.

    "If they want to achieve positive results they should stop thinking as aggressors," he told a news conference. "They should change the old methods, otherwise the results will be the same. No embargoes can change the Iranian people."

    World powers say Iran's right to nuclear technology for civilian ends is not an issue. They say the point of talks would be to get Iran to suspend enrichment in exchange for benefits including access to the means to develop nuclear energy without the proliferation risk of an enrichment programme.

    Tehran's refusal to suspend or restrain uranium enrichment -- a process which can produce bomb material if done to a high level -- led to a fourth round of U.N. sanctions in June and tougher bilateral measures after that.

    The United States and Israel have said they do not rule out a pre-emptive strike on Iran if diplomacy fails.

    Iran is conducting what it calls its biggest ever air defences drill this week to test its ability to deter any such attack. Officials said on Thursday they had successfully tested a new missile system called Mesab which can detect and destroy medium- and low-flying aircraft.

    Iran has conventional long-range missile systems including the Shahab 3 and the Sejil which could be used to hit Israel and U.S. bases in the Middle East region.

    Iran says tests own model of Russian S-300 missile | Reuters
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:51 pm

    Iran built an S-300 like missile in their dreams.  What they floated in the parade were TEL balloon decoys.  

    Thanks for all those pictures of launched HQ-9 that are photo-shopped S-300.
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    Post  nightcrawler on Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:25 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:Iran built an S-300 like missile in their dreams. What they floated in the parade were TEL balloon decoys.

    Thanks for all those pictures of launched HQ-9 that are photo-shopped S-300.

    they arent photoshopped in anyway. Directly are taken from AUSIPOWER website; check out the sources for the pic...
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:45 am

    nightcrawler wrote:

    they arent photoshopped in anyway. Directly are taken from AUSIPOWER website; check out the sources for the pic...

    APA is not a source of photos, they take theirs off the net. Those ejection shots are not accurate as it ejects straight up. There is also no change in light ambiance on deck after the motor is ignited. Not to mention the missile isn't blurry enough.
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    Post  nightcrawler on Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:55 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    nightcrawler wrote:

    they arent photoshopped in anyway. Directly are taken from AUSIPOWER website; check out the sources for the pic...

    APA is not a source of photos, they take theirs off the net. Those ejection shots are not accurate as it ejects straight up. There is also no change in light ambiance on deck after the motor is ignited. Not to mention the missile isn't blurry enough.

    First of all thr is a change in light ambiance~~closely look at the 2nd photo & then the first I can observe it quiet clearly.
    Secondly it may have launch vertically & then it be directed in the specific direction (before ignition of main motors) by small propulsion motors usually employed besides the nosecone of missile;
    Control jets are small orifices in the top/bottom and/or sides of the object to be controlled, through which gas can be ejected. This gas may be tapped from the main engine or generated separately from compressed gas in bottles or by burning fuel. If mounted in the front of the vehicle, a gas jet blowing out the left of the nose will push the nose, and therefore the object, to the right. If mounted behind the center of gravity of the object the opposite effect will occur - a gas jet on the left side will turn the object to the left. Varying the amount of gas exiting the jet will control the amount of force and therefore the rate of turn.


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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:05 am

    nightcrawler wrote:

    First of all thr is a change in light ambiance~~closely look at the 2nd photo & then the first I can observe it quiet clearly.

    Don't see it. There should be a light reflection off the launcher paint and there is none.

    Secondly it may have launch vertically & then it be directed in the specific direction (before ignition of main motors) by small propulsion motors usually employed besides the nosecone of missile; I can't recall there name though

    It is not supposed to change direction until AFTER the motors are ignited. It is not the TOR-M1.
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    Post  nightcrawler on Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:16 am

    @Vladimir


    Before motors start

    After motor start

    change direction~~refer to Control Jets explanation
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:29 am

    nightcrawler wrote:@Vladimir


    Before motors start

    After motor start



    Before photochop


    After photochop


    change direction~~refer to Control Jets explanation

    The missile in that photo doesn't have control jets.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:37 am

    Actually the control thrusters would be clearly visible as they would be ignited. There still aren't any nozzles for them on that missile.
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    Post  nightcrawler on Sat Nov 20, 2010 9:31 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:Actually the control thrusters would be clearly visible as they would be ignited. There still aren't any nozzles for them on that missile.

    Perhaps the photo interval missed that step!!
    Besides; Sir do produce a photo of missile where control jets nozzle are clearly visible...will be very grateful to you
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:28 pm

    nightcrawler wrote:
    Iran says tests own model of Russian S-300 missile

    Their claimed S-300 like missile turned out to be nothing but the S-200.

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    Post  Kysusha on Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:03 pm

    Vlad, from what I have read, it seems that they have a "Modified" or "Improved" S-200 system. Possibly a mix of technology from S-200 and the Chinese "S-300" variant. Whatever, it does not appear to be in the class of the Russian S-300.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:02 am

    nightcrawler wrote:

    Perhaps the photo interval missed that step!!
    Besides; Sir do produce a photo of missile where control jets nozzle are clearly visible...will be very grateful to you

    Watch any video of a TOR launch. You will clearly see it. Getting back to the HQ-9, watch the end of the video...



    HQ-9 is HOT LAUNCHED
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:11 am

    Kysusha wrote:Vlad, from what I have read, it seems that they have a "Modified" or "Improved" S-200 system. Possibly a mix of technology from S-200 and the Chinese "S-300" variant. Whatever, it does not appear to be in the class of the Russian S-300.

    The footage inside the control room didn't look very upgraded to me. At least they could install some display screens. Razz

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    Post  IronsightSniper on Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:58 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Kysusha wrote:Vlad, from what I have read, it seems that they have a "Modified" or "Improved" S-200 system. Possibly a mix of technology from S-200 and the Chinese "S-300" variant. Whatever, it does not appear to be in the class of the Russian S-300.

    The footage inside the control room didn't look very upgraded to me. At least they could install some display screens. Razz


    Is that...it?
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:02 am

    Thats it... the same second hand crap we exported to them in the ninties.
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    Post  Viktor on Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:06 am

    Except for TOR-M1/Kolchuga systems Irans airdefence and airforce is nonexistent.
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    Post  IronsightSniper on Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:08 am

    Before I start crying from laughing, how significant would those upgrades be? Is the missile modified at all to give it better kinematic performance? And how's it radar gonna try to see Stealth?
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:26 am

    IronsightSniper wrote:Before I start crying from laughing, how significant would those upgrades be? Is the missile modified at all to give it better kinematic performance? And how's it radar gonna try to see Stealth?

    They didn't do shit to it. S-200 is obsolete to the point it didn't stop F-14s over Libya, F-16s over Syria or Su-25s over Tblisi. It was designed to shoot down big ass bombers. Ukraine shot down an airliner with it which is about all it can do.
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    Post  nightcrawler on Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:27 am

    nightcrawler wrote:
    Vladimir79 wrote:Actually the control thrusters would be clearly visible as they would be ignited. There still aren't any nozzles for them on that missile.

    Perhaps the photo interval missed that step!!
    Besides; Sir do produce a photo of missile where control jets nozzle are clearly visible...will be very grateful to you

    @ http://www.russiadefence.net/pakistan-f21/pakistan-procuring-s-300-like-system-t1113.htm

    Sir;
    I am quiet disgusted at your misuse of POWER in this forum; you have deliberately deleted my reply to your Photoshop fantasy where I clearly debunked you. So try not be very clever & re-instate my reply....

    The reply started something like that

    I don't want to start a fight......
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    Post  nightcrawler on Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:35 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    nightcrawler wrote:

    Perhaps the photo interval missed that step!!
    Besides; Sir do produce a photo of missile where control jets nozzle are clearly visible...will be very grateful to you

    Watch any video of a TOR launch. You will clearly see it. Getting back to the HQ-9, watch the end of the video...


    HQ-9 is HOT LAUNCHED

    Is the video is of HQ-9??; nowhere it states that; also a blind man can see the difference of launching missiles without silo(as per the video) & launching via a silo(as per the picture I provided)
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:51 am

    nightcrawler wrote:

    Is the video is of HQ-9??; nowhere it states that; also a blind man can see the difference of launching missiles without silo(as per the video) & launching via a silo(as per the picture I provided)

    Yes, it is a video of HQ-9. It states that right before the launch. Not like you can't tell by looking at it.
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    Post  IronsightSniper on Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:06 am



    Perhaps Iran needs to learn that copying the copy of something isn't exactly effective.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:38 am

    IronsightSniper wrote:

    Perhaps Iran needs to learn that copying the copy of something isn't exactly effective.

    Check this out... Chinese copy of old French Crotale, copied by Iran... lol!

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    Post  ahmedfire on Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:36 pm

    The Commander of Islamic Republic of Iran’s Khatam Ul-Anbiya Air Defense Base, General Farzad Ismaili, has reported on the design and production of the indigenous S300 system, named Bavar373.

    According to Fars news agency, General Ismaili announced that upon the order of Leader of Islamic Revolution, Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei, Iranian experts have dispelled the vacuums in defense missile system, and have successfully completed the design of the stages of production and launch of S300 missile system.

    He added that this defense system is currently precisely designed with the joint efforts of the air defense base and Islamic Republic of Iran’s Ministry of Defense.

    In further remarks, he referred to violation of the contract for delivery of this system to Iran by Russia, while adding that the Iranian administration is appropriately pursuing the topic of infringements by the foreign party.

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