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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:24 am

    ult wrote:They have optics. They are in the armory. It's a standard practice. Usually officers are shit scared to give soldiers an expensive equipment unless it's an actual combat mission, because if it's damaged or lost they will personally be held responsible. And considering that optics cost a fortune, like 1PN93 for example, they rarely see the light of day. It's an outdated practice, sure. But still. We should be happy that everyone is in VKPO and not in "сменка" - the old, spare uniform that they wear to not damage a new one.

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    par far wrote:Why does rifles that the soldiers have, have no optics? I am just curious because most the west countries will have that for thier soldiers.

    Is that necessary for conscripts? I mean these are not professional soldiers.


    You are wrong. Those are not conscripts. There are no conscripts on the Russian - Ukrainian border.

    Every brigade now has a battalion tactical group, which fully consists of professional soldiers and are always on high alert.

    Indeed there's been a serious acquisition program regarding optics from 2006 to 2010. Obzor, Rakurs,Kashtan PK's, PO's bought by the freaking ton. This made redundant many PO/PSO/PSU sights that you see flooding the ranks of "volunteers" in Ukraine. They simply sit in the armoury or get out in manoeuvre day, like in Crimea.

    Furthermore, as I posted, there are some new optics coming in (like the PSU1/4) that are on par with the best the West can throw and at a fraction of the price. It isn't bad per se. Since I believe that before training with optics you should be able to hit with IS. Soviet BDC (reticule) is also a big crutch once you know the insides of it. So no sweat.

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  ult on Thu Sep 10, 2015 11:28 am

    Not Ratniks, just some parts of it. Mainly 6B43 and 6B47.









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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:12 pm

    They got to do something about the order pouches and the map pouches. Those potato bags and postman purses are kitsch beyond kitsch.

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:26 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:They got to do something about the order pouches and the map pouches. Those potato bags and postman purses are kitsch beyond kitsch.

    Form follows function.

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  ult on Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:20 am

    So looks like this two-sided camo is getting issued along with Ratnik? I thought they forgot about it and went with VKPO. Or maybe it's the old photos that surfaced just now.




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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  ult on Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:30 pm

    Moscow. Near the National Defense Management Center on Frunzenskaya.












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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  Kimppis on Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:19 pm

    Imo, Ratnik, and in particular the numbers they are planning to procure, is one of the most impressive things regarding Russian military developments. Does that mean that average, active service Russian ground troops are going to look more tacticool than their "NATO" (whatever that means, Romania or the US?) counterparts? That will be HUGE. Like 70k by the end of the year, 50k+ every year after that, so -> around 350 000 Ratnik sets by the end of 2020?

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:32 pm

    Depends on if they upgrade it and how much the upgrade will cost and if they will contue Ratnik 1 introduction as well. Ratnik 2 is already being developed and the 50,000+ that is supposed to get it this year are testing it more or less en mass. If it turns out very effecrive then they can produce more hopefully reducing costs.

    Chances are, it will be front line troops system and a spetsnaz system (modified of course) than a every soldier kind of system. But maybe it can become an every soldier thing. But may not entirely be needed as such.

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    Post  sweartome123 on Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:13 pm

    I'm impressed that we're seeing the 6B43/45 body armor being issued in decent numbers to troops. For too long, inadequate and uncomfortable body armor has been the norm. The 6B43/45 is a huge improvement over the 6B23 and its predecessors. It's without a doubt one of the best pieces of body armor in the world today.

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  ult on Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:35 pm

    6B43 and 6B47 are for everyone, they are being delivered without Ratniks as well. It becomes too hard to explain what is Ratnik and what isn't.

    And it's unified. There will be no differences between Ratniks for VDV and Marines.

    As for how tacticool it will look, it depends on the soldier and what he will decide to wear.












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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:56 pm

    That picture with the girl in the pink sweater/hoodie: One of the soldiers has a NPZ PSU-1/4. Nice.

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:42 am

    Russian Forces to Get 80,000 Sets of ‘Future Soldier’ Gear Till Year End


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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:13 pm

    I don't think that is necessarily Ratnik. Ratnik program includes the headgear equipment and communication gear. That is simply kevlar vest and helmet.

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  Zhukov-Patton on Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:07 pm

    So the US media has had hype about the TALOS uniforms. Now the only other nation with the need to develop something like it is the Russians. But I don't see anything like it the biggest thing I can see that TALOS has over anything else if it is developed is the exoskeleton again I have not found anything exoskeleton like being developed. So is there anything like it? Or is there something better than powered exoskeletons.

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:12 pm

    Zhukov-Patton wrote:So the US media has had hype about the TALOS uniforms. Now the only other nation with the need to develop something like it is the Russians. But I don't see anything like it the biggest thing I can see that TALOS has over anything else if it is developed is the exoskeleton again I have not found anything exoskeleton like being developed. So is there anything like it? Or is there something better than powered exoskeletons.

    The Russians already demonstrated quite a few exoskeleton systems, however there's a problem. The concept of exoskeleton systems are bulky, cumbersome, and restrict mobility for just a modest increase in carrying weight for soldiers. As of now exoskeleton systems are not feasible, at least as of now, maybe in ten years, but not now.

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:21 am

    About 200 sets of combat equipment "Warrior" went on BBO

    Guess still test runs.

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:01 am

    PN23 sight on AK74M? PN23 is Ratnik?

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:11 am

    What is wrong with that?  Schwab seems to create quality sights.

    At that, it is simply just stock photo from the mod.

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Oct 14, 2015 2:33 pm

    sepheronx wrote:What is wrong with that?  Schwab seems to create quality sights.

    At that, it is simply just stock photo from the mod.

    PN23 (PN22W/K) is already in service since basically 2011. At least two pieces have been seen in Ukropistan. From Northern Wind guys. So It's a bit curious, since they have brand new variable zoom night optics (by Schwabe) but maybe you're right and its just for illustration purposes.

    BTW PN23 is a very effective sight for the money.

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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:43 pm

    How much do the sight cost?

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:49 pm

    sepheronx wrote:How much do the sight cost?

    For import for 700/800 USD. Probably lower for the MO. Ironically it costs about the same as the Sibir sights from Belarus but rough on the edges. While Sibir has started more civilian-friendly designs. I guess Wolf Performance will start importing them for the US in a more eye-friendly package.

    Annnd they've done it already.

    http://www.wolfoptics.com/Images/wpa_optics_2014_catalog.pdf

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  zg18 on Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:57 pm

    Army Spetsnaz with "Ratnik" gear


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