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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Isos on Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:35 am

    Vann7 wrote:quote " ISIS used chemical weapons, may have more - CIA chief "

    https://www.rt.com/usa/332300-brennan-isis-chemical-weapons/

    Basically US Government is blackmailing Russia that are ready to take the fight to the use of lethal weapons  against them in Syria using Weapon of Mass destruction/advanced Chemical weapons if Russia continues supporting Assad or Liberating more terrorist cities.  The believe that Jihadist who "protest for freedom" with ak-47 ,now can produce in their garage in Syria chemical weapons ,in the middle of a warzone is laughable. US is threatening Russia with a chemical war as simple as that ,and later will blame it is "rebels " unsuspected "new abilities" to create them.

    What all this means ladies and gentleman is that US will not backdown in Syria and only increase
    the hostilities against Syrian Government and Russia. Russia will face a chemical warfare in Syria if they don't negotiate to partition it ,and force Assad out, this is what US is telling them. Through
    its CIA director. So we are heading to high level proxy war in Syria of US against Russia. That instead of Stinger missiles ,they now will rely in chemical warfare.. something that will make it very expensive for them to counter it and with a potential Turkey invasion too. So be ready for a False flag like event.. of what happened in Damascus ,but this time will not be blamed in Assad
    but in "ISIS". And Turkey can use as "Excuse" the chemical attack of them ,to invade syria.


    So things are heating up ,and Russia will have to either negotiate for the split of Syria in parts
    or continue with the game of pretending US and TUrkey are not fighting them though ISIS,or world war 3.  Or maybe Russia have another option that will allow them to earn time and outmaneuver them. Whatever it is.. i don't think Russia is well prepared to fight a chemical war
    in Syria , their troops could have chemical gear ,but not the Syrian army or Syrian population.


    If they do so Russia can transform this false attack into a real one easily with FSB/SVR/GRU clandestine operation and Turkey may lose a lot and they will have to blame ISIS beacause if they say that was a false attack they will loose credibility.

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    Post  franco on Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:40 am

    A look at potential Turkish invasion of Syria with most likely units with equipment and disposition;
    http://southfront.org/military-analysis-the-turkish-2nd-army-invasion-force-for-syria/#st_refDomain=t.co&st_refQuery=/cqaPLwehkb

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  franco on Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:45 am

    Vann7 wrote:quote " ISIS used chemical weapons, may have more - CIA chief "

    https://www.rt.com/usa/332300-brennan-isis-chemical-weapons/

    Basically US Government is blackmailing Russia that are ready to take the fight to the use of lethal weapons  against them in Syria using Weapon of Mass destruction/advanced Chemical weapons if Russia continues supporting Assad or Liberating more terrorist cities.  The believe that Jihadist who "protest for freedom" with ak-47 ,now can produce in their garage in Syria chemical weapons ,in the middle of a warzone is laughable. US is threatening Russia with a chemical war as simple as that ,and later will blame it is "rebels " unsuspected "new abilities" to create them.

    What all this means ladies and gentleman is that US will not backdown in Syria and only increase
    the hostilities against Syrian Government and Russia. Russia will face a chemical warfare in Syria if they don't negotiate to partition it ,and force Assad out, this is what US is telling them. Through
    its CIA director. So we are heading to high level proxy war in Syria of US against Russia. That instead of Stinger missiles ,they now will rely in chemical warfare.. something that will make it very expensive for them to counter it and with a potential Turkey invasion too. So be ready for a False flag like event.. of what happened in Damascus ,but this time will not be blamed in Assad
    but in "ISIS". And Turkey can use as "Excuse" the chemical attack of them ,to invade syria.


    So things are heating up ,and Russia will have to either negotiate for the split of Syria in parts
    or continue with the game of pretending US and TUrkey are not fighting them though ISIS,or world war 3.  Or maybe Russia have another option that will allow them to earn time and outmaneuver them. Whatever it is.. i don't think Russia is well prepared to fight a chemical war
    in Syria , their troops could have chemical gear ,but not the Syrian army or Syrian population.


    The International investigation of the Chemical weapons used during the Syrian Civil War revealed that they mostly came from Libyan stock not Syrian sources. CIA is just covering their asses as it sure as hell didn't make it's way from Libya thru Turkey to Syria without their knowledge and most likely participation.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:51 am

    zg18 wrote:New A-G missile spotted on Su-34



    Kh-38? Anyone?

    Thats a relative new missile in Russia inventory ,with Lazer targeting /Infra Red/ Active Sonar.
    It can't be better than that. It could target a tank formation in motion 40km away with direct precision ,if the missile is guide by lazer. Means that Russian airforce can target any part of
    Turkey border where Turkey could invade ,with their airforce without the planes having to have visual target of the enemy.

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    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:01 am

    franco wrote:A look at potential Turkish invasion of Syria with most likely units with equipment and disposition;
    http://southfront.org/military-analysis-the-turkish-2nd-army-invasion-force-for-syria/#st_refDomain=t.co&st_refQuery=/cqaPLwehkb

    Ok but some points on this:

    It is most likely that these more capable MBTs are with units tasked with guarding Turkey’s border with Russia and the Caucasus, where they would have to fight against a much more capable adversary, utilizing more modern and capable MBTS and Anti-Tank (AT) weapons.

    False,most of their L44 barrels and Leo1s (if not all) are under their 1st Army command E. Thrace/Western Turkey (under CFE limit too) in posture against our Army. I don't think their 3rd Army has many if any of those MBTs active. Moreover since all turkish Leopards are ex-German stock, the give-away agreement with Germany prevents them from deploying them to warzones or hotspots (namely Kurdistan, Iraq or Cyprus).

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Rodinazombie on Sat Feb 13, 2016 2:43 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ^^^ Landed on the nose, rolled on and stayed in one piece. Back in the Cold War things were built to last. thumbsup



    Also:

    I have been reading articles on Syria in Guardian, Financial Times and couple of other outlets and I noticed that comment sections are 90% very critical (to put it politely) of the article's content.

    Could be that public opinion in UK (and maybe USA) do not buy into "democratic jihad" anymore. I wonder what the situation is in German, French and other media?

    You just have to read the comments online everywhere, people are waking up here in the UK. Everywhere i look the vast majority of comments are critical of the official narrative and many supporting putin. Its so big now that even the 'putins troll army' line doesnt work anymore.





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    Post  ult on Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:37 am

    January 20, 2016.












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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:36 am

    Turdogan truly f*cked up:

    Antagonizing Russia and coddling ISIS come back to hit tourism which amounts to 11% of Turkish GDP but is now in dire straits

    "Some 1,300 hotels, left on the brink of bankruptcy, are up for sale on the Aegean and Mediterranean coasts. In Antalya alone, the tourist capital of the Mediterranean coast, 410 hotels, 120 of them five-star resorts, have been put up for sale."

    "Even more worrying, the number of European tourists to Turkey also fell in 2015, with visitors from Italy, France and Japan declining by 27%, 18% and 40% respectively."

    How Turkey's Tourism Industry Was Sacrificed to Erdogan's Ambition

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:23 pm

    Three-tier protection: how does the anti-aircraft missile defense at air force Hamim work?


    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2650477

    ebruary 12. /TASS-DEFENCE/. When performing a combat mission on 24 November 2015 over the territory of Syria near the border with Turkey by a missile "air - air" with the F-16 aircraft of the Turkish air force was shot down by a Russian aircraft su-24M. In response, the Russian command decided to increase the safety of pilots of airgroup Air and space forces (VKS) of the armed forces when performing combat missions in Syrian airspace and significantly enhance air defense airbase Hamim.
    Cover the base
    According to the theory of building anti-aircraft missile defense (ZRO), in military conflicts of low intensity, it helps to create zonal (Rubizhne) anti-aircraft missile protection of the most important objects of the military economic potential and armed forces at the most probable directions of enemy air action, and military conflict of high intensity, you need to create zonal-object (Rubino-site) backup.
    The equal treatment act the base Hamim is purely objective in nature (under the protection includes all infrastructure located on the base - Approx. of the author). In addition, during the construction of the equal treatment act has been combining efforts with the forces of the air defense of other forces, particularly the Navy, as well as by forces and means of antiaircraft defense of the Syrian Arab Republic. We can say that to a certain extent at the airbase Hamim observed the implementation of the territorial principle of building a missile defense.

    The inclusion in the grouping of antiaircraft missile troops in Syria promising long-range air defense missile system s-400 "Triumph" has significantly improved the level close protection of the main object – airbase Hamim, to extend the range of altitudes and speeds, destroying objectives. In addition, dramatically increased the survivability and sustainability of the group in case of intensive fire and electronic countermeasures from the hypothetical enemy.
    Anti-aircraft missile system s-400. Dossier
    The joint air defense
    According to data from open sources in November 2015 in the area of combat actions of the Russian air group in conjunction with the armed forces of Syria was deployed to joint air defence system composed of:

    The Pantsir short-range "Shell-C1";

    Short-range SAM system "OSA-AKM";

    S-125 "Pechora-2M";

    AAMS medium-range Buk-M2E;

    Missile system WITH long-range s-200ve "VEGA";

    S-400 "Triumph".

    Moreover, to strengthen air defense system after the incident with the loss of su-24 in November 2015 it was decided to include in the joint air defense system of antiaircraft rocket complexes WITH-300ФМ "Fort-M" (missile cruiser "Moskva" and "Varyag" the areas of combat service in the coastal waters of the Eastern coast of the Mediterranean sea). Among other things, to protect the air base from aerial and space exploration in its territory deployed complexes EW "Krasuha-4".
    Thus, in the short term was created grouping of forces and means, capable in case of need ensure the destruction of aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles and other flying machines of the probable air opponent, as well as conducting combat aerial reconnaissance and electronic warfare.


    Three-tier defense
    Moreover, it is possible to speak about a layered missile defense on the basis of groups of mixed composition SMP, army air defence, air defense forces and Navy to give her problem-solving abilities of non-strategic missile defense. The latter quality provides anti-aircraft missile system s-400 "Triumph".
    In missile defence airbase Hamim can distinguish three echelons:


    #Distant approaches to the defended object to provide a system of long-range – missile system s-400 "Triumph" and s s-200ve "VEGA".

    #At mid-range combat with the air enemy are middle-range admc -300ФМ "Fort" and Buk-M2E.

    # Short-range SAM system "OSA-AKM" and s-125 "Pechora-2M".

    # And, finally, as a means of direct cover of the main object and s-400 "Triumph" should be considered short-range missile and gun ad "Pantsir-S1"


    Well does not Pantsir have longer range then OSA? Or I am wrong?


    BTW a welcome package for Saudis/Turks?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:33 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Three-tier protection: how does the anti-aircraft missile defense at air force Hamim work?


    Three-tier defense
    Moreover, it is possible to speak about a layered missile defense on the basis of groups of mixed composition SMP, army air defence, air defense forces and Navy to give her problem-solving abilities of non-strategic missile defense. The latter quality provides anti-aircraft missile system s-400 "Triumph".
    In missile defence airbase Hamim can distinguish three echelons:


    #Distant approaches to the defended object to provide a system of long-range – missile system s-400 "Triumph" and s s-200ve "VEGA".

    #At mid-range combat with the air enemy are middle-range admc -300ФМ "Fort" and Buk-M2E.

    # Short-range SAM system "OSA-AKM" and s-125 "Pechora-2M".

    # And, finally, as a means of direct cover of the main object and s-400 "Triumph" should be considered short-range missile and gun ad "Pantsir-S1"

    Well does not Pantsir have longer range then OSA? Or I am wrong?


    BTW a welcome package for Saudis/Turks?

    All we have seen so far is the S-400 installation and two Pantsir systems.

    No sign of any of the other systems mentioned, apart from the shipborne Fort, so assume they are SAA assets if they are in area.

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    Post  franco on Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:42 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Three-tier protection: how does the anti-aircraft missile defense at air force Hamim work?


    Three-tier defense
    Moreover, it is possible to speak about a layered missile defense on the basis of groups of mixed composition SMP, army air defence, air defense forces and Navy to give her problem-solving abilities of non-strategic missile defense. The latter quality provides anti-aircraft missile system s-400 "Triumph".
    In missile defence airbase Hamim can distinguish three echelons:


    #Distant approaches to the defended object to provide a system of long-range – missile system s-400 "Triumph" and s s-200ve "VEGA".

    #At mid-range combat with the air enemy are middle-range admc -300ФМ "Fort" and Buk-M2E.

    # Short-range SAM system "OSA-AKM" and s-125 "Pechora-2M".

    # And, finally, as a means of direct cover of the main object and s-400 "Triumph" should be considered short-range missile and gun ad "Pantsir-S1"

    Well does not Pantsir have longer range then OSA? Or I am wrong?


    BTW a welcome package for Saudis/Turks?

    All we have seen so far is the S-400 installation and two Pantsir systems.

    No sign of any of the other systems mentioned, apart from the shipborne Fort, so assume they are SAA assets if they are in area.

    Correct, they are talking about Syrian assets.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  short_fuze on Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:49 pm

    franco wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Three-tier protection: how does the anti-aircraft missile defense at air force Hamim work?


    Three-tier defense
    Moreover, it is possible to speak about a layered missile defense on the basis of groups of mixed composition SMP, army air defence, air defense forces and Navy to give her problem-solving abilities of non-strategic missile defense. The latter quality provides anti-aircraft missile system s-400 "Triumph".
    In missile defence airbase Hamim can distinguish three echelons:


    #Distant approaches to the defended object to provide a system of long-range – missile system s-400 "Triumph" and s s-200ve "VEGA".

    #At mid-range combat with the air enemy are middle-range admc -300ФМ "Fort" and Buk-M2E.

    # Short-range SAM system "OSA-AKM" and s-125 "Pechora-2M".

    # And, finally, as a means of direct cover of the main object and s-400 "Triumph" should be considered short-range missile and gun ad "Pantsir-S1"

    Well does not Pantsir have longer range then OSA? Or I am wrong?


    BTW a welcome package for Saudis/Turks?

    All we have seen so far is the S-400 installation and two Pantsir systems.

    No sign of any of the other systems mentioned, apart from the shipborne Fort, so assume they are SAA assets if they are in area.

    Correct, they are talking about Syrian assets.

    Probably with associated Russian 'advisors'?

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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:53 pm

    short_fuze wrote:
    franco wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Three-tier protection: how does the anti-aircraft missile defense at air force Hamim work?


    Three-tier defense
    Moreover, it is possible to speak about a layered missile defense on the basis of groups of mixed composition SMP, army air defence, air defense forces and Navy to give her problem-solving abilities of non-strategic missile defense. The latter quality provides anti-aircraft missile system s-400 "Triumph".
    In missile defence airbase Hamim can distinguish three echelons:


    #Distant approaches to the defended object to provide a system of long-range – missile system s-400 "Triumph" and s s-200ve "VEGA".

    #At mid-range combat with the air enemy are middle-range admc -300ФМ "Fort" and Buk-M2E.

    # Short-range SAM system "OSA-AKM" and s-125 "Pechora-2M".

    # And, finally, as a means of direct cover of the main object and s-400 "Triumph" should be considered short-range missile and gun ad "Pantsir-S1"

    Well does not Pantsir have longer range then OSA? Or I am wrong?


    BTW a welcome package for Saudis/Turks?

    All we have seen so far is the S-400 installation and two Pantsir systems.

    No sign of any of the other systems mentioned, apart from the shipborne Fort, so assume they are SAA assets if they are in area.

    Correct, they are talking about Syrian assets.

    Probably with associated Russian 'advisors'?
    With everything feeding a common C&C centre?

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Feb 13, 2016 2:38 pm


    Everyone keeps forgetting that S-300 systems that were parked there originally were not removed. They are still active and working in conjunction with S-400, Pantsirs and Fort on Varyag.

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    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:02 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Everyone keeps forgetting that  S-300 systems that were parked there originally were not removed. They are still active and working in conjunction with S-400, Pantsirs and Fort on Varyag.

    These are in Sanobar?

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    Post  Dima on Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:43 pm

    Feb 13, 2016
    One of the latest additions to Russia's Black Sea fleet, the Zeleny Dol cruise missile ship, set off for Syria's shores from the Crimean port of Sevastopol, Saturday morning.


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    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:50 pm

    Dima wrote:Feb 13, 2016
    One of the latest additions to Russia's Black Sea fleet, the Zeleny Dol cruise missile ship, set off for Syria's shores from the Crimean port of Sevastopol, Saturday morning.


    Russia ought to keep building these boats by the dozens for the next couple of decades.
    Great design and gets the job done.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Feb 13, 2016 7:25 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Dima wrote:Feb 13, 2016
    One of the latest additions to Russia's Black Sea fleet, the Zeleny Dol cruise missile ship, set off for Syria's shores from the Crimean port of Sevastopol, Saturday morning.


    Russia ought to keep building these boats by the dozens for the next couple of decades.
    Great design and gets the job done.

    They are already one step ahead, 22800 Karakurt. Same thing just better in every way. russia

    And additional 4 Buyan-M are built for BSF as we speak.

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    Post  Isos on Sat Feb 13, 2016 8:01 pm

    All of you forget that Russia is close to the eastern part of Turkey. They can reach a lot of targets with Iskanders and their long range Su-30/35/34 can easily operate on the east without refuling. Turks will have to sent a lot of F-16, and I'm pretty sure Russians will shoot all of them. They have like 200 F-16 and this number will fall dramaticly in 2-3 days. Then the sky will be open for SU-24 Tu-95 Tu 22M. They just need a false step from Turkey to respond to the agression.

    On the ground, arming Kurds is enough.

    Saudis are not part of NATO. If they try to shoot some Russians, they will have nasty surprise from some SNA's Kalibron their own ground.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:38 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Three-tier protection: how does the anti-aircraft missile defense at air force Hamim work?


    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2650477

    ebruary 12. /TASS-DEFENCE/. When performing a combat mission on 24 November 2015 over the territory of Syria near the border with Turkey by a missile "air - air" with the F-16 aircraft of the Turkish air force was shot down by a Russian aircraft su-24M. In response, the Russian command decided to increase the safety of pilots of airgroup Air and space forces (VKS) of the armed forces when performing combat missions in Syrian airspace and significantly enhance air defense airbase Hamim.
    Cover the base
    According to the theory of building anti-aircraft missile defense (ZRO), in military conflicts of low intensity, it helps to create zonal (Rubizhne) anti-aircraft missile protection of the most important objects of the military economic potential and armed forces at the most probable directions of enemy air action, and military conflict of high intensity, you need to create zonal-object (Rubino-site) backup.
    The equal treatment act the base Hamim is purely objective in nature (under the protection includes all infrastructure located on the base - Approx. of the author). In addition, during the construction of the equal treatment act has been combining efforts with the forces of the air defense of other forces, particularly the Navy, as well as by forces and means of antiaircraft defense of the Syrian Arab Republic. We can say that to a certain extent at the airbase Hamim observed the implementation of the territorial principle of building a missile defense.

    The inclusion in the grouping of antiaircraft missile troops in Syria promising long-range air defense missile system s-400 "Triumph" has significantly improved the level close protection of the main object – airbase Hamim, to extend the range of altitudes and speeds, destroying objectives. In addition, dramatically increased the survivability and sustainability of the group in case of intensive fire and electronic countermeasures from the hypothetical enemy.
    Anti-aircraft missile system s-400. Dossier
    The joint air defense
    According to data from open sources in November 2015 in the area of combat actions of the Russian air group in conjunction with the armed forces of Syria was deployed to joint air defence system composed of:

    The Pantsir short-range "Shell-C1";

    Short-range SAM system "OSA-AKM";

    S-125 "Pechora-2M";

    AAMS medium-range Buk-M2E;

    Missile system WITH long-range s-200ve "VEGA";

    S-400 "Triumph".

    Moreover, to strengthen air defense system after the incident with the loss of su-24 in November 2015 it was decided to include in the joint air defense system of antiaircraft rocket complexes WITH-300ФМ "Fort-M" (missile cruiser "Moskva" and "Varyag" the areas of combat service in the coastal waters of the Eastern coast of the Mediterranean sea). Among other things, to protect the air base from aerial and space exploration in its territory deployed complexes EW "Krasuha-4".
    Thus, in the short term was created grouping of forces and means, capable in case of need ensure the destruction of aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles and other flying machines of the probable air opponent, as well as conducting combat aerial reconnaissance and electronic warfare.


    Three-tier defense
    Moreover, it is possible to speak about a layered missile defense on the basis of groups of mixed composition SMP, army air defence, air defense forces and Navy to give her problem-solving abilities of non-strategic missile defense. The latter quality provides anti-aircraft missile system s-400 "Triumph".
    In missile defence airbase Hamim can distinguish three echelons:


    #Distant approaches to the defended object to provide a system of long-range – missile system s-400 "Triumph" and s s-200ve "VEGA".

    #At mid-range combat with the air enemy are middle-range admc -300ФМ "Fort" and Buk-M2E.

    # Short-range SAM system "OSA-AKM" and s-125 "Pechora-2M".

    # And, finally, as a means of direct cover of the main object and s-400 "Triumph" should be considered short-range missile and gun ad "Pantsir-S1"


    Well does not Pantsir have longer range then OSA? Or I am wrong?


    BTW a welcome package for Saudis/Turks?

    i believe your right OSA-AKM = 15km and Pantsir = 20km, even the S-125 Pechora-2M has got more range than the OSA, at S-125M= 22km could be further with Pechora 2M upgrade.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:50 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote: i believe your right OSA-AKM = 15km and Pantsir = 20km, even the S-125 Pechora-2M has got more range than the OSA, at S-125M= 22km could be further with Pechora 2M upgrade.


    Using Pantsir as a last layer of defence might be not because of range but due to its best antimissile/aad abilities . I am guessing though.

    I am still sceptical wrt NATO-Russia war. I am sure though this will be used by anglosaxon criminals as pretext in next take to strangle Russia´s economy and probably also to put new sanctions against Iran not to give back those 100BLN USD.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E on Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:49 am

    Why do not I see Tor-M2 systems in Syria? Why not TorM1 the Syrians?

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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Feb 14, 2016 2:20 am

    quote "Three-tier protection"

    It sounds good ,but is not enough. Syria is the worst place in the world ,to deploy
    S-400s. Because the Russian base is withing artillery strike distance of Turkey border. If they manage to deploy its artillery on top of mountains close to Latakia border. This means that it makes very vulnerable all Russia military base ,if Erdogan became crazy and started an open war against Russia. And having 70% of Syrian territory occupied by a foreign mercenary army armed by NATO weapons doesn't help either.  

    So Syria have the best defenses money can buy ,but its geography and the control of most of Syria territory by NATO armed jihadist makes it really challenging for RUssia to defend it.

    The real protection of Russia against any kind of full scale war with Turkey is its nuclear deterrence ,but also how vulnerable at the same time is Turkey on attacks on its capital from Russian airforce and navy. Russia will control the black sea in no time ,in case of war and can start bombing Turkey military bases and destroying any thing that is important for turkey operation.. its electricity grid,its spensive thermo electrical stations and to bomb Turkey major business ,companies who cooperate with Erdogan.  In short Turkey will become worse than an african nation its economy
    if pick a fight with Russia ,because Russia can effectively defend its main land from any Turkey attack ,but Turkey can't do the same. ERdogan not even have defenses against ballistic missiles.
    and depends on Americans leasing Patriots ,for some limited support.

    Turkey is not prepared to defend from a major attack from Russia main land. And will need to face IRAN too .it will be attacked from all its sides. from Syria side ,from IRAQ side ,from IRAN border too ,from Armenia border and from the black sea that Russia will control. I think the americans strategy are simply using Turkey to pressure Russia to stop aiding Assad and  allow them to disband Syria with ISIS and Alqaeda in control of all its north.  I don't think Russia will ever accept such deal , allow americans to create an Alqaedastan in Norther Syria ,that will allow them to re-use the terrorist against Russia by sending them to Ukraine ,after Syria disbanded. Russia is playing with nothing less that the defense of Russia territory and Syria is the battlefield. There is no way RUssia can allow ISIS or Alqaeda to hold any part of Syria ,with them making millions every week selling oil. Is a major threat to Russia federation ,allowing
    Americans to create a rich terrorist organization in Syria controlled by ISIS or Alnusra. that with the money they make they could recruit millions of jihadist against Russia later.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Feb 14, 2016 3:10 am


    Vann we've been over this gazillion times: the moment turks fire first shell/bomb/missile into Latakia AB turkey becomes glass parking lot.

    Article 5 is no good outside NATO real estate.

    Stop panicking already.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  ultron on Sun Feb 14, 2016 3:19 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    the moment turks fire first shell/bomb/missile into Latakia AB turkey becomes glass parking lot.

    They already DONE that today. Luckily no casualties incurred on SAA. It was a deliberate attack in support of a Qaeda offensive in Latakia.

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