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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:09 am

    @Vann for analytic part fully agree - Germany has been under occupation last 70 years, they even are brainwashed to extinct (kids = passe) . Italy faces similar problems. Can they help Russia?

    Here I disagree. first societies are brainwashed by anglo-saxon Russia H8 propaganda. Besides nobody gives Russia nothing for free.
    Achievieng good relations in temrms of econoical exchange would be already huuge progress.

    BTW provide Russia best scientists for Chubais or Gref? First Russia must clean trash from own house in order to grow. Maybe Ramzan can start with Kasyanov ? Laughing

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Putin is crying...He's ready to pull out. Yeah not that pull out.

    Put-in is opposite to pull-out. Russia stays in Syria Twisted Evil

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:13 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Putin is crying...He's ready to pull out. Yeah not that pull out.

    Putin's barely done with first base at Latakia.
    Guy just got started.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  max steel on Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:18 am


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    Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:20 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Putin is crying...He's ready to pull out. Yeah not that pull out.

    Putin's barely done with first base at Latakia.
    Guy just got started.

    You need to pull out if you want to change "front"...at least that's how I remember it clown

    MAx: there are currently several hypothesis regarding the system. However they all turn around an IR detecting /warning system linked with a orientation cadran (like in a plane).

    The only thing I don't know is if it's meant to detect the launch and friction or also to detect the IR beam from Launch unit at launch and during correction.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  chinggis on Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:53 am


    Is it too hard to read what is write and than understand that??? It is NOT warning system at all, it is active electronic suppression system. It work on near IR wave length(maybe, just a maybe on two different wave length for two or more different ATGM systems). Each device produce around 120W(this I am read on some other forums so I do not know is it true or not, but it have a sense), it is connected with thick cable because it work on two car batteries (12+12=24V) and it have an autonomy for 12h.
    Why I think and I am convinced that is suppression system, look at it lens. This lens produce wide beam light and they are to small for detector. For detector any type you need large sensor or more smaller sensors that will be coupled together. And that mean you will have one large lens or many more smaller lenses. And we do not see that, only one lens around 5-6cm. And there is current consumption for passive sensors, you do not need two car batteries, and passive sensor can operate on more longer times, active can NOT. Yes, they can but, (f...n but Smile ), but there be more power sources.
    Because it is active suppression system which produce 120Ws of power( I do not know is it for all circuits or just for one, but I think it is for one, it have a more sense), so you need to have a voltage converter from 24V to rated voltage of circuit, because this type of circuit can not operate constantly on rated power, there must be circuit board that will work in PWM mode (it is type of modulation and can more interfere with light signal of missiles) and supplying power to devices. It consume current (maybe up to 10A) and for that current you will need to have passive coolers and they are big. So this is reason why is this box so BIG. Look at Shtora, it have for one unit two large boxes one for Shtora and one for control electronic.
    This device can not be wived by TC. TC work on different wave length.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Ivan the Colorado on Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:31 am

    Subscribing to this thread again.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:44 am

    https://twitter.com/BBassem7/status/696924717517815808

    Greatest Humoristic show on Earth. American Sponsored Freedom Fighters.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  max steel on Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:58 am

    chinggis wrote:

    Is it too hard to read what is write and than understand that??? .

    I can't understand half sentences that's why .

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  chinggis on Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:56 am

    max steel wrote:
    chinggis wrote:

    Is it too hard to read what is write and than understand that??? .

    I can't understand half sentences that's why .
    Ok, maybe I am to technical or harsh, what I do not want to be. Here is link with full sentence of description how tis device work.

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t4767p915-syrian-civil-war-news-5#149989
    I am hope that will be what you looking.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Militarov on Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:41 am



    What they claim to be Russian jet trail above Turkish border. Taunting Very Happy?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Militarov on Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:44 am

    Militarov wrote:

    What they claim to be Russian jet trail above Turkish border. Taunting Very Happy?



    Another one Smile

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Neutrality on Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:48 am

    Seems to symbolize a cauldron Laughing

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Ivan the Colorado on Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:50 am

    Interesting. Bomber with an escort flying behind it likely.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:52 am

    Militarov wrote:

    What they claim to be Russian jet trail above Turkish border. Taunting Very Happy?


    Above the Turkish what? Ain't no such thing according to Erdogan.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Feb 09, 2016 12:54 pm

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:Interesting. Bomber with an escort flying behind it likely.

    That leaves a trail shaped like a penis pointed at turkey ... those VKS dudes are so witty and subtle... lol1 thumbsup russia

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Dima on Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:03 pm

    Laughing

    Btw, which part of the border area is this?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  BKP on Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:37 pm

    ^ Baffled by the contrails. Is someone claiming that VKS crossed the border? Also, what's the meaning, just a taunt?

    BTW, I never couldn't stand that dumpy bitch Merkel.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:51 pm

    Neutrality wrote:Seems to symbolize a cauldron Laughing

    Turkey stew boiling in a cauldron...sounds delicious! Twisted Evil

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Militarov on Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:56 pm

    BKP wrote:^ Baffled by the contrails. Is someone  claiming that VKS crossed the border? Also, what's the meaning, just a taunt?

    BTW, I never couldn't stand that dumpy bitch Merkel.

    Apparently they claim its just next to the border, they havent said if Russians crossed it, so i assume they didnt.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Ivan the Colorado on Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:13 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:Interesting. Bomber with an escort flying behind it likely.

    That leaves a trail shaped like a penis pointed at turkey ... those VKS dudes are so witty and subtle... lol1 thumbsup russia
    The fighter escort seems to modeled the penis it made after Erdogan too haha.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  BKP on Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:24 pm

    ^ Thx

    I suppose given the current situation, symbolizing a cauldron does seem like the best bet, if any signal was indeed intended.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:09 pm


    Looks like Caspian fleet went "clubbing" again... Cool



    Filmed over Jabal Zawiya.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Ivan the Colorado on Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:37 pm

    BKP wrote:^ Thx

    I suppose given the current situation, symbolizing a cauldron does seem like the best bet, if any signal was indeed intended.
    Most probable situation is that a bomber (outer contrail) flew close to bait any Turk fighters. It was followed by a fighter (inner contrail) that would get a clear shot if it need to on any foreign fighter. Evidence for this is in the contrails, outer one is less thick than the inner one. This shows that the outer aircraft was the first to pull away and the inner one stuck behind and covered the bomber's 6.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  short_fuze on Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:25 pm

    It seems that the Russian Foreign Ministry has presented a proposal for a ceasefire in Syria to the Americans. The details have not been released, However, the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry is quoted as saying that

    "he hoped for a speedy consideration of the plan by Washington, as the sentences are phrased in a simple manner."

    I just love the contempt expressed for the US government in that final statement. I bet the Russians didn't use joined-up writing either.

    http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/02/russia-offers-us-cease-fire-plan-in.html

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #8

    Post  kvs on Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:41 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    What they claim to be Russian jet trail above Turkish border. Taunting Very Happy?

    There is this little thing called the atmospheric circulation and one of its impacts is that it advects tracers (e.g. contrail aerosol).
    The location in the photograph is not the location where these contrails were made. One has to check for the wind speed at
    the right altitude to determine how far they have traveled.

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