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    Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

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    Luq man

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Luq man on Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:07 pm

    Navy may receive frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" in June 
    Earlier it was reported that the frigate "Adimral Gorshkov" would be handed over to the fleet in late summer due to the ongoing tests of anti-aircraft missile weapons.
    The frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" can be transferred to the navy in June, Interfax reports with reference to the head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexei Rakhmanov .
    "I think until the end of June. Already now it is clear more or less. We hope, "A. Rakhmanov said.
    Frigates Project 22350 - multipurpose frigates far sea zone, are being constructed for re-Navy Amphibious  Russia .
    At the moment, two frigates, Admiral Kasatonov Fleet and Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov, have been launched. The latter passes state tests. The armament of the ships is made up of rocket RK P-800 "Onyx" and "Caliber-NK".
    https://news.rambler.ru/troops/39648518-vmf-mozhet-poluchit-fregat-admiral-gorshkov-v-iyune/
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:44 pm

    Luq man wrote:
    Navy may receive frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" in June 
    Earlier it was reported that the frigate "Adimral Gorshkov" would be handed over to the fleet in late summer due to the ongoing tests of anti-aircraft missile weapons.
    The frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" can be transferred to the navy in June, Interfax reports with reference to the head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexei Rakhmanov .
    "I think until the end of June. Already now it is clear more or less. We hope, "A. Rakhmanov said.
    Frigates Project 22350 - multipurpose frigates far sea zone, are being constructed for re-Navy Amphibious  Russia .
    At the moment, two frigates, Admiral Kasatonov Fleet and Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov, have been launched. The latter passes state tests. The armament of the ships is made up of rocket RK P-800 "Onyx" and "Caliber-NK".
    https://news.rambler.ru/troops/39648518-vmf-mozhet-poluchit-fregat-admiral-gorshkov-v-iyune/

    If it's really June this year, then that means that all the problems have finally been resolved and now it's just the final polish and formalities, let's hope.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:59 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:.....
    If it's really June this year, then that means that all the problems have finally been resolved and now it's just the final polish and formalities, let's hope.

    And that they finally order some more...
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  ZoA on Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:46 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:.....
    If it's really June this year, then that means that all the problems have finally been resolved and now it's just the final polish and formalities, let's hope.

    And that they finally order some more...

    At this point I don't think Russian navy is all that interested in those old pre 2012 designs. I think in category of above 1k tons displacement Russian navy wants more project 20386 Derzkii type of ships with multi mission modularity in form of large hangar space that can either carry multiple helicopters for anti submarine mission, or ISO containers with long range missiles for land strike missions , or special equipment and marines for infiltration for diversant missions, and so on.

    Also given that much of Russian shipbuilding industry is obviously heavily infiltrated and subverted to near point of paralysis I don't think Russia navy should bother ordering any new major ships until shipyards managements are thoroughly purged and reorganised. If they order them they won't get them as long as current bunch of treasonous scum is controlling those shipyards.


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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:09 am

    Has there been any talk of an improved Gorshkov with at least double the cruise missile load?
    And no, i am not talking about the Super-Gorshkov Destroyer.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  hoom on Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:17 am

    Has there been any talk of an improved Gorshkov with at least double the cruise missile load?
    And no, i am not talking about the Super-Gorshkov Destroyer.
    confused Suspect
    22350M is supposed to be about 8000ton is about all thats known.
    The size difference is about right for a doubling of the missile load dunno

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  hoom on Tue May 01, 2018 4:27 am

    Just some newish pics from Balancer.
    Gorshkov went out to North Sea a few days in April to test the fixed diesel.








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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  T-47 on Sun May 06, 2018 5:45 pm

    Does anyone know about any approx date about this boi? Waiting since 2006.....more than Marvel fans waited for Infinity war Rolling Eyes
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun May 06, 2018 6:18 pm

    T-47 wrote:Does anyone know about any approx date about this boi? Waiting since 2006.....more than Marvel fans waited for Infinity war Rolling Eyes

    Sometime in this or next decade (first ship, rest of them who knows)

    It's been so long since they started that they are already in need of upgrade

    Another decade from now and they will need replacement class
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  verkhoturye51 on Sun May 06, 2018 7:47 pm

    First ship next month. It was delayed from June to August first, but they said that tests are going really well, so June is realistic once again Smile

    Next ship probably late 2018/early 2019.

    And in 2019/2020, the successor, 6500 or 8000 ton Super Gorshkov will be laid down russia
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  dino00 on Sun May 06, 2018 8:09 pm

    Any news on the name of the sucessor?
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  verkhoturye51 on Sun May 06, 2018 9:16 pm

    Nope dunno
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  GarryB on Mon May 07, 2018 3:10 am

    It's been so long since they started that they are already in need of upgrade

    Another decade from now and they will need replacement class

    It is the 21st Century Papa... these things will get updates every time they boot up... lots of software patches and updates, not to mention a few new complete OS during its operational lifetime...
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon May 07, 2018 10:37 am

    GarryB wrote:
    It is the 21st Century Papa... these things will get updates every time they boot up... lots of software patches and updates, not to mention a few new complete OS during its operational lifetime...


    and module architecture let's you replace odl modules with new ones Smile BUT still 22160 should be voted corvette of the year instead of 22800 Razz
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  GarryB on Tue May 08, 2018 2:11 am

    Indeed, and also if you build new modules based on the same standard you can just include them in new designs and add them to existing designs too... Very clever.

    With current new vessels getting UKSK launchers, then all new missiles can be designed to be compatible and so even Corvettes entering service now can still used missiles that aren't even in service yet.

    In comparison in the 1970s when you developed Granit, you had to build the new vessels that carried it... and to carry Granit you needed a big ship or sub which means not that many in service and quite a while to get them into service in numbers.

    A huge step forward.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  hoom on Thu May 10, 2018 4:48 am

    Gorshkov has transited to Severomorsk for weapon testing, talking about commissioning in August.
    https://flotprom.ru/2018/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D1%8B%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F10/

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  hoom on Fri May 11, 2018 7:52 am

    For all its delays Gorshkov is still a damn sexeh ship I love you
    Bunch of pics from Severomorsk via Balancer









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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  LMFS on Tue May 15, 2018 12:43 am

    It seems the Admiral Gorshkov is going to be accepted in service, so the Poliment-Redut is finally working properly?
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue May 15, 2018 1:05 am

    LMFS wrote:It seems the Admiral Gorshkov is going to be accepted in service, so the Poliment-Redut is finally working properly?

    I presume yes - Kuz is also gonna get it Smile
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue May 15, 2018 2:04 am

    LMFS wrote:It seems the Admiral Gorshkov is going to be accepted in service, so the Poliment-Redut is finally working properly?


    -We finally got the ship to work properly, should we stop building them now altogether?

    -Don't worry, we stopped building them years ago.

    -Excellent!!!
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue May 15, 2018 3:21 am

    Could we still say that the Gorshkov is the best frigate in the world as of 2018? The second best, the FREMMs have poorer AShms, worse torp countermeasures, poorer CIWS, and a worse selection of ASW weapons. I dont know about the south korean or japanese frigates though.



    BTW why did the development of the Aster 30  go so fast and smoothly compared to the redut, even though MBDA and Thales have historically created worse SAMs than Almaz Antey? Could we say the 9M96 is garbage compared to the Aster 30?

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  hoom on Tue May 15, 2018 4:03 am

    Could we still say that the Gorshkov is the best frigate in the world as of 2018?
    Only if the PR system actually works properly.
    Definitely best within traditional Frigate size range, some of the bigger Destroyer-size-ships-named-as-Frigates are arguably better.


    BTW why did the development of the Aster 30  go so fast and smoothly compared to the redut
    Aster started development in '89 with first test fire in '95 so not exactly super rapid...
    Even then Type 45s went into service in 2009 without it functional, only did first test firing in 2010.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  LMFS on Tue May 15, 2018 3:29 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    LMFS wrote:It seems the Admiral Gorshkov is going to be accepted in service, so the Poliment-Redut is finally working properly?


    -We finally got the ship to work properly, should we stop building them now altogether?

    -Don't worry, we stopped building them years ago.

    -Excellent!!!
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    lol1 lol1
    That sounds too familiar

    But they are building 4 of them and should get another 4 right?
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Militarov on Tue May 15, 2018 7:08 pm

    LMFS wrote:It seems the Admiral Gorshkov is going to be accepted in service, so the Poliment-Redut is finally working properly?

    Right answer would be: "Hopefully...".
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Militarov on Tue May 15, 2018 7:09 pm

    LMFS wrote:

    lol1 lol1
    That sounds too familiar

    But they are building 4 of them and should get another 4 right?

    6 in total apparently. Original idea was at least 15 built but it didnt go..by the plan, to say at least.

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