Big_Gazza wrote:Mirlo wrote:
The Russian Navy expects to receive six new Project 22350 frigates by 2025
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160504/1039046212/navy-minister-frigate.html#ixzz47gMmbIWZ
This is a very bad news for the Russian Navy. To me it is demonstrating that there are big difficulties (much more tan openly admitted) in the modernization program. All major ship projects are delayed or at very low production rate or simply stoped. Six ships in nine years is horrible, making that when they enter in service they will be almost obsolete. Honestly I was expecting at leats one per year with a mínimum of 8 to replace the Sovremmeny class.
If the problem are the gas turbines, why they do not go to china, QC185 gas turbine may be a good choice, at least a stop gap option. But in my opinion the problems are deeper than the gas turbines and lay in the whole concept, something is going wrong with this Project.
Pr 22350 will be nearly obsolete in 2025? You've got rocks in your head...
What exactly is going wrong other than the usual lengthy integration time required to get all-new technology working together into a robust package that is fit to fight a war? making sure the ship works as expected before committing to a lengthy serial build. Everything on the Gorshkov is new concept. new phased array radars, new SAMs and VLS, new CIWS, new battle management systems, new AShM VLS, new artillery, new sonars..... new fucking everything.
Include the Ukropistani treachery and delays are hardly unexpected...
Even if it gets obsolete, they can easily put new systems in it. Soviet era ships are not easily improvable because each system has specifique design. VLS on Gorshkov can be programmed to lunch any new missile, not the case of Moskit lunchers or P-700 luncher on kirov. Look how many time they need to improve Kirov class.
Gorshkov is on paire with any modern ship being build in the west or in china or Japan. Don't think NATO has anything better than that ...
6 ship in 9 years is not because they don't know how to make it but because shipyards need work. They could build them in 2 years like they did during the 70's when they lunched tens of warship in one year (and not corvettes but SNA's, Aircraft carriers, SSGN's...) but then they will don't have work for thousand of men => Economic issues. No one today can make a war against Russia so 9 ships or 20 is not a problem for them.