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    Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  zg18 on Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:51 pm



    Gorshkov , almost ready.... 14.11.2013

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:24 am

    What is the radar above the bridge in a dome structure ?
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:36 am

    Austin wrote:What is the radar above the bridge in a dome structure ?
    34K1 Monolit.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:37 am

    I am not sure why they are taking donkeys years to build first of class , The pace of Gorshkov construction is dissapointing ....reminds me of our own MDL and their Frigate/Destroyer they build in donkeys years.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:39 am

    TR1 wrote:
    Austin wrote:What is the radar above the bridge in a dome structure ?
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    Culdnt find any thing on Google , Any link to Specs , Pictures would be nice , Thanks
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    Post  TR1 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:49 am

    I like that term, donkey years.

    Anyways the problems with a pilot unit are well known.
    What is interesting is how long the 2nd and 3rd units will take. If it is anything as long as Gorshkov, then we have a problem.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:55 am

    Austin wrote:
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    Austin wrote:What is the radar above the bridge in a dome structure ?
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    Culdnt find any thing on Google , Any link to Specs , Pictures would be nice , Thanks
    Can't really find any specifics myself, aside from general (surface radar)

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Austin on Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:17 am

    Can any one confirm Brahmos will arm the Gorshkov class frigate ? There was some news to that effect but officially it is confirmed ?
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:56 am

    Brahmos is compatible with the UKSK launcher, so potentially every vessel fitted with such a launcher could carry it.

    Whether they actually adopt it in Russian service is another matter as Brahmos is limited in range and payload weight by export limitations (less than 300km range and less than 500kg warhead weight).

    I rather suspect new build Onyx missiles will have the new electronics and solutions of Brahmos but without the range limitations... which they might call Brahmos to keep India happy.


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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Austin on Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:56 am

    What good about A-192 Guns ?
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:14 pm

    Austin wrote:What good about A-192 Guns ?

    Brand new 130mm gun.

    It took time to work out the 100mm versions problems, and this is a much heavier mount overall. Hence, the delays.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:49 pm

    The A-190 is a 100mm gun with the weight of a 76.2mm gun but with 100mm gun performance.

    The A-192 is a 130mm gun with the weight of a 100mm gun but with a 130mm gun performance.

    Think of it in terms of a 30 cal weight rifle with the performance of a 50 cal rifle...

    The A-190 is 18 tons, the A-192 is 28-29 tons.


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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Austin on Thu Dec 26, 2013 4:43 am

    Do Russian have any extra long range shells that other countries are developing for A-192M Gun

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  xeno on Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:01 pm

    No any news about it.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:49 pm

    Range given for the A-192 is "more than 23km".

    Remember the 70km range 152mm Koalition shells were a joint development between the Army and Navy, so I rather suspect they were also working on longer range rounds for smaller calibres.


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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  George1 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:24 am

    I think this ships should had been commissioned 2 years now..
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:24 pm

    George1 wrote:I think this ships should had been commissioned 2 years now..

    No reason to rush, and they're not rushing either. They're going slow, so that any problems with the first 1-2 ships can be ironed out, and the next-gen weapons systems can be fully developed, in time for the production of the rest of the ships in the series.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  zg18 on Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:28 pm

    New image ,. january 2014



    Looks good
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  GJ Flanker on Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:04 am

    I can imagine that the Onyx and the BrahMos are the one and the same thing, they just work in other wave bands (frequencies). The Indians didn't contribute a bloody thing to this missile.
    Same story goes for the Aermacchi M-346.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:14 am

    GJ Flanker wrote:I can imagine that the Onyx and the BrahMos are the one and the same thing, they just work in other wave bands (frequencies). The Indians didn't contribute a bloody thing to this missile.
    Same story goes for the Aermacchi M-346.

    That is not accurate.

    The Italians did a lot of model testing and aerodynamic work when the project was unified.


    BrahMos is the Indians localizing the Onyx, but they also did a lot of their own work on making it an anti-land weapon, something Russia as of yet does not use it for.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:54 am

    No reason to rush, and they're not rushing either. They're going slow, so that any problems with the first 1-2 ships can be ironed out, and the next-gen weapons systems can be fully developed, in time for the production of the rest of the ships in the series.

    Actually because these vessels will be multirole and therefore will be produced in rather larger numbers than previous vessels it is critical to get all the bugs ironed out before mass production starts.

    Previously with Destroyers if there was a problem with one... Say the Soveremmenys engines had a fault then that wasn't the end of the world because you only built 10-16 Sovs and the rest were Udaloy class ASW Destroyers. Now instead of building 15 AShM destroyers and 15 ASW destroyers they will likely make 30-40 destroyers that can do both jobs so it is important to get it right... and of course being multirole they will have rather more features to test and perfect as well.


    I can imagine that the Onyx and the BrahMos are the one and the same thing, they just work in other wave bands (frequencies). The Indians didn't contribute a bloody thing to this missile.

    Certainly not true... the Onyx is an anti ship missile only... just like the Yakhont, which is the short range export version. The Brahmos added land attack capability and all new electronics which no doubt reduced weight, increased reliability, improved performance and capabilities.

    The Brahmos is limited in range to 300km however while the Onyx is not limited in range.

    BrahMos is the Indians localizing the Onyx, but they also did a lot of their own work on making it an anti-land weapon, something Russia as of yet does not use it for.

    BrahMos is the Indians localizing the Yakhont, but they also did a lot of their own work on making it an anti-land weapon, something Russia as of yet does not use it for.


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