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    Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:01 am

    It is very likely that the very long range S-400 missiles will use onboard radar seekers either in SARH or more likely ARH and possibly with an IIR backup seeker fitted so much like a long range shot with an R-77 precise continuous tracking of the target is not strictly essential and mid course updates would be sufficient to ensure the target does not move outside the missiles own detection area by the time the missile gets there.

    Just like the R-37 missile fired at a target 300km away that was beyond the detection or tracking range of the Mig-31M that had not been fitted with an upgraded radar yet and was using a standard ZASLON radar, yet through the use of a Su-30 closer to the target providing target data the target was engaged and hit.

    A corvette operating near a home coastline could use data from the aerospace defence network as well as the navy network to find targets to engage at distances well beyond those its own sensors could detect targets at.

    The Russian plan for Su-30M miniAWACS fighter management aircraft with smaller lighter aircraft like Mig-29s operating closer to the enemy with their radars off operating silently is an example of using smaller lighter platforms to operate closer to an enemy using the more powerful long range sensors of other platforms to delivery weapons without giving away their positions, yet being able to detect the enemy well before the enemy detects them and deliver weapons silently and leave to rearm leaving their return to base to rearm and refuel covered by the heavy platforms that gave them the tactical advantage in the first place.

    Maximise the performance of the systems by using big long range radar and big long range missiles on multiple small cheap platforms that can operate closer to the enemy without being noticed/detected yet able to defend themselves and deliver medium and long range missiles every bit as potent as the weapons of the larger more expensive systems which by definition you can't afford to have many of in terms of cost and manning limitations.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Viktor on Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:17 pm

    few more days until my computer is fixed dunno 

    4th project 22350 will be layed by the end of this year



    best looking ship in its class

    The frigate "Admiral Isakov" for the Russian Navy will lay in November

    30.07.2013 Bookmark fourth Project 22350 frigates will be dedicated to the 101 th anniversary of the "Severnaya Verf" notes November 14, 2013. The same day the company will provide the shipbuilders and the second vessel logistics ice class project 23120. This is the general director of OAO "Shipyard" Severnaya Verf "Alexander Ushakov.

    third serial frigate already got the name - "Fleet Admiral Isakov," said CEO of the shipyard. "Right now, in front of the factory delivered important tasks. Until 2020, the shipyard has built and delivered to the Navy six frigates of Project 22350, Project 20380 corvette and four Project 20385 corvettes. In the Company's backlog of orders two ships connection project 18280 and three marine vessel logistics project 23120. The lead ship, named "Elbrus" was solemnly laid November 14, 2012 , the day of the 100th anniversary of the "Northern Shipyard". Main immediate task of the enterprise - the beginning of the test head of Project 22350 frigate "Admiral Gorshkov", - said the head of the company.

    Text:  The Central Navy Portal
    Photos: Polumodel Project 22350 frigates,
    photo TSVMP, Dmitry Glukhov

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:35 pm

    http://www.balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=352786&download=2&type=.jpg

    Poliment being fitted Smile


    Supposedly it has been fitted since last year, they just covered it up with wood.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Viktor on Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:24 am

    WoW ... its a beauty ... now 50 of those would be great Very Happy Very Happy
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:26 am

    Viktor wrote:WoW ... its a beauty ... now 50 of those would be great Very Happy Very Happy
    Viktor you trying to make Russian politicians jealous with that prediction Wink ?
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Viktor on Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:52 am

    TR1 wrote:
    Viktor wrote:WoW ... its a beauty ... now 50 of those would be great Very Happy Very Happy
    Viktor you trying to make Russian politicians jealous with that prediction Wink?
    LOL .... only I said it would be great. Its now up to Russian politicians to push for 50 of these beauties so eventually when they miss the target by 20-25% we all will still be very proud of them Very Happy Very Happy
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:59 am

    If they missed that number by 50% I will personally send you a crate of Vodka!

    A stunner it is, I think one doesn't have to be a Russian mil fan to consider this the best (or one of the very best) looking "stealth" ships around. Looks completely balanced, lines are stately but elegant....combine that with a killer radar suit and cutting edge weaponry...if only tempo would pick up!
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:35 pm

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    Post  TR1 on Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:49 pm

    http://lenta.ru/news/2013/11/14/frigate/

    Admiral Isakov laid down.

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    Post  TR1 on Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:27 pm

    Photos from the ceremony: http://bastion-karpenko.ru/22350_isakov/
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:54 pm

    http://www.balancer.ru/sites/me/vk/vk/cs402828/v402828184/aa29/mtpQaz62OBo.jpg
    http://www.balancer.ru/sites/me/vk/vk/cs402828/v402828184/aa20/SzDHvUvUH4w.jpg

    Kasatonov.

    http://www.balancer.ru/sites/me/vk/vk/cs402828/v402828184/aa17/IZI2hPYSNg4.jpg

    Isakov.



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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  zg18 on Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:51 pm



    Gorshkov , almost ready.... 14.11.2013

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:24 am

    What is the radar above the bridge in a dome structure ?
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:36 am

    Austin wrote:What is the radar above the bridge in a dome structure ?
    34K1 Monolit.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:37 am

    I am not sure why they are taking donkeys years to build first of class , The pace of Gorshkov construction is dissapointing ....reminds me of our own MDL and their Frigate/Destroyer they build in donkeys years.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:39 am

    TR1 wrote:
    Austin wrote:What is the radar above the bridge in a dome structure ?
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    Culdnt find any thing on Google , Any link to Specs , Pictures would be nice , Thanks
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:49 am

    I like that term, donkey years.

    Anyways the problems with a pilot unit are well known.
    What is interesting is how long the 2nd and 3rd units will take. If it is anything as long as Gorshkov, then we have a problem.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:55 am

    Austin wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    Austin wrote:What is the radar above the bridge in a dome structure ?
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    Culdnt find any thing on Google , Any link to Specs , Pictures would be nice , Thanks
    Can't really find any specifics myself, aside from general (surface radar)

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Austin on Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:17 am

    Can any one confirm Brahmos will arm the Gorshkov class frigate ? There was some news to that effect but officially it is confirmed ?
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:56 am

    Brahmos is compatible with the UKSK launcher, so potentially every vessel fitted with such a launcher could carry it.

    Whether they actually adopt it in Russian service is another matter as Brahmos is limited in range and payload weight by export limitations (less than 300km range and less than 500kg warhead weight).

    I rather suspect new build Onyx missiles will have the new electronics and solutions of Brahmos but without the range limitations... which they might call Brahmos to keep India happy.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Viktor on Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:11 am

    We are waiting for the gun ... for several more days. 

    Frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" will be released to the factory running tests immediately after installation gun mount A-192

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Austin on Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:56 am

    What good about A-192 Guns ?
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:14 pm

    Austin wrote:What good about A-192 Guns ?

    Brand new 130mm gun.

    It took time to work out the 100mm versions problems, and this is a much heavier mount overall. Hence, the delays.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:49 pm

    The A-190 is a 100mm gun with the weight of a 76.2mm gun but with 100mm gun performance.

    The A-192 is a 130mm gun with the weight of a 100mm gun but with a 130mm gun performance.

    Think of it in terms of a 30 cal weight rifle with the performance of a 50 cal rifle...

    The A-190 is 18 tons, the A-192 is 28-29 tons.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Austin on Thu Dec 26, 2013 4:43 am

    Do Russian have any extra long range shells that other countries are developing for A-192M Gun

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