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    Re: Project 22350 :Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:27 pm

    runaway wrote:"Project 22350 stealth frigates will shift large ASW ships known in NATO as Udaloy class"

    And i thought it was critical to replace sovremenny destroyers, and that Udaloy ones are performing well, despite the age?
    Also, isnt 22350 supposed to replace both types, but it would make more sense starting shifting out sovremenny´s.


    Project 22350 will replace both udaloy and sovremenny class destroyers. Udaloy has 8 (2 x 4) SS-N-14 Silex anti-submarine missiles and sovremenny 8 (2× 4 Moskit SSM P-270) anti-ship missiles.

    Their SAMs are 64 SR (8 x 8 SA-N-9 Gauntlet) for Udaly and 48 MR (2× 24 Shtil/SA-N-12 Grizzly) for sovremney.

    Both of them have 8 ASW missiles, 8 AShM missiles and 48 medium range and 64 short range SAMs. Count the missiles that 22350 carries

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    Re: Project 22350 :Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:18 pm

    Austin wrote:Composite superstructure is something they should be using if they are not , if 20380 can use it see no reason why the more advanced 20350 cant.

    To me the suerstructure looks composites but lets see.

    So they mentioned 36 cruise missile , 16 Oniks and 16 Calbir

    The 20380 has a whole separate structure shipped from a different builder; 22350 has nothing like that.

    Most large warships don't use all composite structures, its still not the most proven of technologies.

    Good thing they are not using it on 22350, RuNavy needs ships not potentially troublesome ships.

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    Re: Project 22350 :Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:16 pm

    http://www.flotprom.ru/news/?ELEMENT_ID=124569

    Gorshkov will not be going out for trials in November.

    Izvestia and its sources are wrong, yet again.

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    Re: Project 22350 :Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:21 am

    And i thought it was critical to replace sovremenny destroyers, and that Udaloy ones are performing well, despite the age?
    Also, isnt 22350 supposed to replace both types, but it would make more sense starting shifting out sovremenny´s.

    The Sovremmenys have had problems with their machinery, but a few were sold to China.

    The Udaloys are very good vessels and I suspect there will be a few ships that urgently need to be retired and a few that can stay on for a few years yet, but overall it is the purpose of the 22350 to replace all the old vessels.

    Both of them have 8 ASW missiles, 8 AShM missiles and 48 medium range and 64 short range SAMs. Count the missiles that 22350 carries

    I am sure Runaway is aware that these new vessels will replace all the old destroyers, I think he is just questioning why the Udaloy class was mentioned for replacement when the Sovremmeny class ships are reportedly not the best in terms of propulsion.

    Izvestia and its sources are wrong, yet again.

    Talk about making news.... how disappointing. Mad



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    Re: Project 22350 :Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  medo on Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:46 pm

    Izvestia and its sources are wrong, yet again.

    It seems it is a new standard for Izvestia.

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    Re: Project 22350 :Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:47 pm

    Disinformation: Frigate Admiral Gorshkov Won't Start Trials in November

    Project 22350 frigate Admiral Gorshkov will not take the Barents Sea for trials late in November. The source in Russian Navy Main HQ that Izvestiya newspaper recently referred to had provided untrustworthy information. Moreover, exterior deck erection does not consist of composite materials, it is only covered with radar absorbent coating, an official of United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) told Central Navy Portal.

    "Reporters of Izvestiya and their insider in the Navy are running before the hounds", the USC executive told Central Navy Portal.

    "Indeed, the frigate is being actively fitted-out, but she won't be ready for sea trials by the end of November, especially in the Barents Sea. At first, the ship must be tested in the Gulf of Finland, at construction site. Sure, dockside trials may start in November, but the ship will take sea for the first time not earlier than in 2013", added the interviewee.

    Vladimir I. Spiridopulo, Director General of Severnoye Design Bureau which is developer of Project 22350 frigates, did say that the lead ship would begin trials this autumn meaning the dockside ones.

    The interviewee added that the newspaper most likely had confused the frigate with Stereguschiy-class corvettes being built at Severnaya Verf shipyard. Deck erection of those frigates is really made of laminated composite materials but not just carbon plastic. The frigate's steel tophamper is specially designed to reduce radar signature and coated with radar absorbent materials. There are some other 'howlers' in that article published by Izvestiya; for one, the author mentioned Polimer-Redut system instead of Poliment.

    "In all, informativity and credibility of that newspaper article leave much to be desired", concluded the interviewee of Central Navy Portal.

    http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=16125

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    Re: Project 22350 :Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:55 pm

    Delays, delays, and more delays. The russian military might just be best in the world in f*****g up and delaying military projects.

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    Re: Project 22350 :Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:01 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Delays, delays, and more delays. The russian military might just be best in the world in f*****g up and delaying military projects.

    Yes, see the 22380 project. 2 units in 5-6 years have been delivered.

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    Re: Project 22350 :Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:23 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Delays, delays, and more delays. The russian military might just be best in the world in f*****g up and delaying military projects.

    Welcome to any major military program around the world Very Happy

    Anyways anyone whos been following the program could tell you the 22350 was not going on trials in November. Redut-Poliment is still not fitted out, and neither is the gun.
    Subsystem producers were starved of money for years, a sudden influx can't solve the problem immediately.

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    Re: Project 22350 :Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:44 pm

    project 22350 will be able to accommodate 2 ASW helicopters?

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    Re: Project 22350 :Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  runaway on Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:21 pm

    George1 wrote:project 22350 will be able to accommodate 2 ASW helicopters?

    No, 1 Ka-27M Helix


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    Re: Project 22350 :Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:17 am

    http://www.balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=306069&download=2

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    Re: Project 22350 :Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:54 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Delays, delays, and more delays. The russian military might just be best in the world in f*****g up and delaying military projects.

    Nigga plz, the Russian military-industrial complex is actually still among the better ones, despite the troubles its still going through and the MoD running out of patience with it.

    Pick any of the absolutely atrociously bloated projects by the US and EU industries over the last couple of decades, particularly in the field of aerospace; Russia has nothing comparable. In terms of continous delays and not meeting specifications - I believe Britain takes the lead on this one. Ask the Indians about the Arjun project - again, Russia has and never had anything comparable to Fails of that magnitutude.

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    Re: Project 22350 :Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  George1 on Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:57 pm

    even the 4 mistrals will be delivered sooner than the 4 first stereguschy corvettes

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    Re: Project 22350 :Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:22 pm

    George1 wrote:even the 4 mistrals will be delivered sooner than the 4 first stereguschy corvettes

    Unlikely to say the least.

    Or do you mean in total construction time?
    Well, 20380 had no funding for half of construction time, so no surprise there.

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