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    Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  runaway on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:01 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    George1 wrote:even the 4 mistrals will be delivered sooner than the 4 first stereguschy corvettes

    Unlikely to say the least.

    Or do you mean in total construction time?
    Well, 20380 had no funding for half of construction time, so no surprise there.

    Actually, 3 has already been delivered and they seems to be able to supply 6 by 2015 as planned.

    But this thread is about Gorshkov, and these ships take their time. First one laid down 2006 and still not commisioned. Plans for the Gorshkov and Kasatonov is to be handed over is by 2013-14.

    And since these are new types with new technologies and an industri in progress its ok.
    The Talwar class has a build time of 5 years until commisioning, and its also ok.
    So we can look forward to shortened build time for Gorshkov as the serial building gains momentum, maybe down to 5 then to 3-4 years time.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:55 pm

    Ony 2 so far, Boiiky still does not have its gun.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:48 pm

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:30 am

    It looks gorgious. Possibly one of the best looking warships in the world.
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    Post  TR1 on Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:47 am

    Agreed. Lines are stately and sleek, while the mast does not look like a cancer like many "integrated" masts these days.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:40 am

    Interesting that it seems to have a large rectangular position on the side of the mast for an AESA array... presumably Poliment, but there is no space for a forward facing system. Assuming another array on the opposite side and one facing rear suggests to me that the new radar has a FOV of at least 120 degrees and that they are going to save some money and space and power by having three arrays instead of 4.

    Should be interesting... and I agree she has very nice lines at the moment. Smile

    Edit: except now that I take a closer look I can see the other antenna array above the fire control radar for the front mounted gun systems (which is clearly related to the 5P10) and looking at the rear shot of its sister ship the mast is clearly not triangular and has four sides.

    That is OK too.

    Because the square shape is flattened there should be more overlap at the front and rear, which should be good as a threat should result in the vessel being turned front or rear on to present the smallest target while bringing the threat into view of two main radar arrays plus the top radar rather than just one.


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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:36 am

    Source: Russia to Lay Down Next Project 22350 Frigate

    New Project 22350 frigate will be laid down in the nearest time at JSC Severnaya Verf shipyard, a source in Russian defense ministry told Central Navy Portal.

    According to the source, Russian Navy Main HQ submitted a request to defense ministry asking to name the new frigate in honor of Hero of the Soviet Union Admiral Ivan S. Isakov.

    Project 22350 frigate is designed for naval warfare in littoral and ocean zones. Displacement is about 4,500 tons; length overall is over 130 meters; beam overall is over 16 meters; operating range is about 4,000 nautical miles; navigability is unlimited. Each frigate accommodates a deck-based helicopter.

    Keel-laying of the third Project 22350 frigate named Admiral Golovko took place at Severnaya Verf on Feb 1, 2012. Lead ship of the project, Admiral Gorshkov was launched in 2010 and is currently at the final stage of outfitting. The first batch-produced frigate Admiral Kasatonov was laid down at Severnaya Verf in 2009.

    As was earlier said by sources in shipbuilding industry, Russian Navy's demand for frigates in the next 15-20 years is up to 20 ships. New frigates will be based on Project 22350 ships capable to operate both independently and within task groups

    http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=16441
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  medo on Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:15 pm



    New picture of Gorshkov frigate.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Arrow on Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:34 am

    22350 frigate has a Ukrainian gas turbine engine ?
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:02 pm

    Arrow wrote:22350 frigate has a Ukrainian gas turbine engine ?

    Part of propulsion is ordered from Ukraine, though the extent is debatable.
    Series ships are supposed to decrease Ukranian content.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Austin on Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:48 pm

    Viktor , Any info on the Poliment Radar on 22350 Ship , Is it a Dual Band Radar like SPY-3 or any further info ?

    Here is good detail on 9M96 SAM

    http://pvo.guns.ru/book/fakel/new_gen.htm
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:32 am

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:00 pm

    http://www.balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=343427&download=2&type=.jpg

    Big photo of the ship today.
    Apparently first metal for the 4th ship will be cut soon.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:01 am

    It is very likely that the very long range S-400 missiles will use onboard radar seekers either in SARH or more likely ARH and possibly with an IIR backup seeker fitted so much like a long range shot with an R-77 precise continuous tracking of the target is not strictly essential and mid course updates would be sufficient to ensure the target does not move outside the missiles own detection area by the time the missile gets there.

    Just like the R-37 missile fired at a target 300km away that was beyond the detection or tracking range of the Mig-31M that had not been fitted with an upgraded radar yet and was using a standard ZASLON radar, yet through the use of a Su-30 closer to the target providing target data the target was engaged and hit.

    A corvette operating near a home coastline could use data from the aerospace defence network as well as the navy network to find targets to engage at distances well beyond those its own sensors could detect targets at.

    The Russian plan for Su-30M miniAWACS fighter management aircraft with smaller lighter aircraft like Mig-29s operating closer to the enemy with their radars off operating silently is an example of using smaller lighter platforms to operate closer to an enemy using the more powerful long range sensors of other platforms to delivery weapons without giving away their positions, yet being able to detect the enemy well before the enemy detects them and deliver weapons silently and leave to rearm leaving their return to base to rearm and refuel covered by the heavy platforms that gave them the tactical advantage in the first place.

    Maximise the performance of the systems by using big long range radar and big long range missiles on multiple small cheap platforms that can operate closer to the enemy without being noticed/detected yet able to defend themselves and deliver medium and long range missiles every bit as potent as the weapons of the larger more expensive systems which by definition you can't afford to have many of in terms of cost and manning limitations.


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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Viktor on Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:17 pm

    few more days until my computer is fixed dunno 

    4th project 22350 will be layed by the end of this year



    best looking ship in its class

    The frigate "Admiral Isakov" for the Russian Navy will lay in November

    30.07.2013 Bookmark fourth Project 22350 frigates will be dedicated to the 101 th anniversary of the "Severnaya Verf" notes November 14, 2013. The same day the company will provide the shipbuilders and the second vessel logistics ice class project 23120. This is the general director of OAO "Shipyard" Severnaya Verf "Alexander Ushakov.

    third serial frigate already got the name - "Fleet Admiral Isakov," said CEO of the shipyard. "Right now, in front of the factory delivered important tasks. Until 2020, the shipyard has built and delivered to the Navy six frigates of Project 22350, Project 20380 corvette and four Project 20385 corvettes. In the Company's backlog of orders two ships connection project 18280 and three marine vessel logistics project 23120. The lead ship, named "Elbrus" was solemnly laid November 14, 2012 , the day of the 100th anniversary of the "Northern Shipyard". Main immediate task of the enterprise - the beginning of the test head of Project 22350 frigate "Admiral Gorshkov", - said the head of the company.

    Text:  The Central Navy Portal
    Photos: Polumodel Project 22350 frigates,
    photo TSVMP, Dmitry Glukhov

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:35 pm

    http://www.balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=352786&download=2&type=.jpg

    Poliment being fitted Smile


    Supposedly it has been fitted since last year, they just covered it up with wood.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Viktor on Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:24 am

    WoW ... its a beauty ... now 50 of those would be great Very Happy Very Happy
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:26 am

    Viktor wrote:WoW ... its a beauty ... now 50 of those would be great Very Happy Very Happy
    Viktor you trying to make Russian politicians jealous with that prediction Wink ?
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Viktor on Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:52 am

    TR1 wrote:
    Viktor wrote:WoW ... its a beauty ... now 50 of those would be great Very Happy Very Happy
    Viktor you trying to make Russian politicians jealous with that prediction Wink?
    LOL .... only I said it would be great. Its now up to Russian politicians to push for 50 of these beauties so eventually when they miss the target by 20-25% we all will still be very proud of them Very Happy Very Happy
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  TR1 on Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:59 am

    If they missed that number by 50% I will personally send you a crate of Vodka!

    A stunner it is, I think one doesn't have to be a Russian mil fan to consider this the best (or one of the very best) looking "stealth" ships around. Looks completely balanced, lines are stately but elegant....combine that with a killer radar suit and cutting edge weaponry...if only tempo would pick up!
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