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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:16 am

    There is very little chance of the US imposing sanctions on India... too many potential customers in India to pass up the chance of selling them McDonalds and jeans and Coke.

    They will just tell them how naughty they are being and how nice they are to be so forgiving, and don't do it again...
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:25 am

    GarryB wrote:
    They will just tell them how naughty they are being and how nice they are to be so forgiving, and don't do it again...


    They will repeat the same after a pipe for crude form Iran will be bult by Russians too lol1 lol1 lol1
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    India’s CCS clears procurement of five S-400 air-defence missile systems

    Post  Pinto on Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:09 pm

    https://www.janes.com/article/83477/india-s-ccs-clears-procurement-of-five-s-400-air-defence-missile-systems

    India's Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) 'quietly' cleared on 26 September the procurement of five Almaz-Antei S-400 Triumf self-propelled surface-to-air (SAM) missile systems for the Indian Air Force (IAF) for USD5.5 billion.

    Disregarding the threat of the United States imposing sanctions on countries acquiring Russian-made defence equipment, the CCS, which is headed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, approved the acquisition shortly before President Vladimir Putin was scheduled to arrive in New Delhi on 5 October for the 19th annual Indo-Russian summit.

    The proposed deal for about 30 launchers and more than 6,000 missiles - delivery of which is expected to begin 36 months after the contract is signed - would, at Russian insistence, be concluded without the Ministry of Defence's (MoD's) mandatory 30% offset liability of the overall contract value.

    Senior Russian officials have pointed out that New Delhi's insistence on offsets, in keeping with its Defence Procurement Procedure 2016, could delay the delivery of the systems by up to two years and increase costs.

    "As far as I have heard, there is no offset package for the programme. It is a strategic project and is very important for the two countries," Viktor Klavov, the director for International Co-operation and Regional Policy at Russia's Rostec defence industrial holding company, had told the Economic Times newspaper on 11 July, adding that the MoD should not "play around" with some offset packages.

    In July the MoD's Defence Acquisition Council had approved the S-400 procurement and signed an inter-governmental agreement for the systems in October amid uncertainty prompted by the threat of US sanctions under the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), which Washington signed into law in August 2017.
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  Pinto on Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:41 pm

    India is going to sign the deal for S-400 and 4 frigates tomorrow now US can take CAATSA up its ass Smile
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:50 am

    Now the US needs to decide... if it gives India a waiver then all other countries thinking of buying Russians weapons will demand the same and the whole sanction thing will become a joke... but then if it does not give them a waiver that means likely US companies will struggle in India to get contracts... and there are a lot of customers there to fleece of currency...

    What a dilemma Twisted Evil
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:27 am

    Good news saga continues:

    he he gold? Rubles-rupees?

    Russia has found ways to resolve payments problems with India

    NEW DELHI, Oct 5 - RIA News. Russia has found ways to resolve the problem with India on payments, including through military-technical cooperation (MTC), Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov told reporters.

    According to him, the Russian Federation and India will maintain a course for settlements in national currencies, and the sanctions pressure is also taken into account in this matter.

    "Yes, ways have been found to resolve this problem," he said, answering the question whether it was possible to resolve problems in payments between countries, including in the sphere of military-technical cooperation."


    РИА Новости https://ria.ru/economy/20181005/1530028027.html
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:30 am

    GarryB wrote:What a dilemma  Twisted Evil

    let's make america great again!

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    Modi-Putin summit LIVE: India, Russia seal S-400 air defence system deal despite US warning

    Post  Pinto on Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:37 pm

    https://indianexpress.com/article/india/vladimir-putin-india-visit-live-updates-india-russia-agreements-summit-narendra-modi-5385957/

    PM Modi, Vladimir Putin summit LIVE updates: India and Russia sealed the USD 5 billion S-400 air defence system deal and signed eight pacts in areas ranging from defence, nuclear energy, space and economy.

    After wide-ranging talks between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and President Vladimir Putin, Indian and Russia on Friday signed the USD 5 billion S-400 air defence system deal in New Delhi, PTI reported. Modi and Putin also signed eight pacts, including on cooperation on India’s ambitious human space mission project Gaganyaan, at the 19th India-Russia annual bilateral summit. The signing of defence deal between the two countries comes amid the US warning.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin arrived in India on Thursday for the two-day annual India-Russia bilateral summit. He held official talks with Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Friday, after which the leaders delivered a joint statement. India and Russia signed eight pacts in areas ranging from defence, nuclear energy, space and economy.

    The Russian head of the state, who was accompanied by a high-level delegation, was received by External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj in New Delhi yesterday. PM Modi had hosted a private dinner for the Russian president at his official residence at 7, Lok Kalyan Marg on Thursday night, and both leaders talked about a host of issues.
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  jhelb on Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:48 pm

    GarryB wrote:Now the US needs to decide... if it gives India a waiver then all other countries thinking of buying Russians weapons will demand the same and the whole sanction thing will become a joke... but then if it does not give them a waiver that means likely US companies will struggle in India to get contracts... and there are a lot of customers there to fleece of currency...

    What a dilemma  Twisted Evil

    India & China are sworn enemies so hard to believe India purchased the S -400 without some major upgrades/changes.

    Any idea how the the Indian system is going to differ from the Chinese S-400 system ?
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:42 am

    jhelb wrote:India & China are sworn enemies so hard to believe India purchased the S -400 without some major upgrades/changes.

    Any idea how the the Indian system is going to differ from the Chinese S-400 system ?

    IS UK and France sworn enemies? or US/Canada? India's model is newer by couple of years to upgrades are very likely.
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:49 am

    What about the Frigates deal? That seems to have taken a side line? It was only recently that India intended to purchase the 4 frigates and build more in their own shipyard in Goa. Was there any new updates from that?
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:27 pm

    If past history is anything to go by the Russians tend to sell better stuff to the Indians than they sell to the Chinese... but I suspect the revenue for all these sales will be going in to making the Russian systems even better.

    It is important to point out that the IADS is important too. If not more so...
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:03 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:What about the Frigates deal?  That seems to have taken a side line?  It was only recently that India intended to purchase the 4 frigates and build more in their own shipyard in Goa.  Was there any new updates from that?

    todays update:

    Russia and India have not signed an agreement on the supply of frigates

    (saga will continue )
    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20181005/1530066276.html
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:28 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:What about the Frigates deal?  That seems to have taken a side line?  It was only recently that India intended to purchase the 4 frigates and build more in their own shipyard in Goa.  Was there any new updates from that?

    todays update:

    Russia and India have not signed an agreement on the supply of frigates

    (saga will continue )
    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20181005/1530066276.html

    Good

    Russia needs them
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  jhelb on Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:21 pm

    GarryB wrote:If past history is anything to go by the Russians tend to sell better stuff to the Indians than they sell to the Chinese


    Yeah that's probably true. But how is the Indian S-400 better than that of the Chinese ? I suspect they are both getting the same missiles.

    GarryB wrote: It is important to point out that the IADS is important too. If not more so...

    Once China starts placing S 400 in Tibet, Indian Su 30MKI won't be able to make any difference. S-400 in Tibet will seal the entire air space over North & North-East India.
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:59 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Good
    Russia needs them

    Russia needs also partners in military cooperation and moeny. Besides if Russia can build for export also can build for own needs




    jhelb wrote:Once China starts placing S 400 in Tibet, Indian Su 30MKI won't be able to make any difference. S-400 in Tibet will seal the entire air space over North & North-East India.

    Why China and India would fight each other? war is not good for economy and both counties ae developing very fast now? besides Chinese S-400 are covering most important cities or naval bases near Taiwan.
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  ATLASCUB on Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:01 am

    Take what you can... Russians are already out of their attack-heli market, military transport market, soon fighter aircraft as well. Personally don't like Russia providing such valuable infrastructure as nuclear plants to India, in such quantities to boot.... strategically it's better if they stay suckers on fossils as much as possible + their pivot to the U.S is worrisome all the same.

    CAATSA is a win for the U.S.... kinda ignorant not to see its value. They lose little having the law in place to selectively apply it as they please when it's most beneficial for them. A perk of being the worlds reigning empire. It was always unrealistic to expect the big fish to budge, specially when the U.S needs cooperation with them on some strategically important issues but the small fish stable is always susceptible to strong arming and coercion.... so it helps to contain Russian industry and cut it off markets... win-win for just a bunch of words and the threat of force. Even with the big fish, if the U.S sees it fit for whatever reason to fuck around with them, the tool is already there in place. The U.S is not in a "bind" of its own making with this law..... stop dreaming. If they can prevent just one deal as a result of this law, (and I'm sure they've gotten a lot of smaller fish already contained), then it's a net benefit.
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:29 am

    Yeah that's probably true. But how is the Indian S-400 better than that of the Chinese ? I suspect they are both getting the same missiles.

    Modern systems are software controlled, so it would be pretty easy to have software version China and software version India and indeed software version Turkey.

    The software could limit the range at which locks can be achieved, or the number of simultaneous tracks etc etc... obviously if they say they can engage 36 targets at once and guide two missiles at each target then that is what they will do, but there are a lot of areas where they might not allow it to reach the same performance as the hardware actually allows.

    And of course if there is a real threat of a US or other serious attack they could send patch updates if it makes sense for Russia to do so.

    They probably offer a range of performance options with a range of prices... pay extra and get the better performance.... it is no real skin off the nose of the Russian military if India or China gets almost the same system.

    The Russians will have S-500 shortly...

    And the earnings generated with all these S-400 sales should allow investment and testing to further improve all their products...

    Once China starts placing S 400 in Tibet, Indian Su 30MKI won't be able to make any difference. S-400 in Tibet will seal the entire air space over North & North-East India.

    S-400 is a defensive system... there is nothing to stop India from basing their S-400s in the same area and making the same air space a no go for Chinese fighters too...

    Why would India want to violate Tibet airspace with Flankers?

    Why China and India would fight each other? war is not good for economy and both counties ae developing very fast now? besides Chinese S-400 are covering most important cities or naval bases near Taiwan.

    Every time I read about conflict between China and India... I think of China and India both suffering... and America getting a hard on and fanning the flames to fight fight fight fight... from a safe distance of course.

    Take what you can... Russians are already out of their attack-heli market, military transport market, soon fighter aircraft as well. Personally don't like Russia providing such valuable infrastructure as nuclear plants to India, in such quantities to boot.... strategically it's better if they stay suckers on fossils as much as possible + their pivot to the U.S is worrisome all the same.

    As other countries get drawn in to the consumerism of the west the planet simply cannot 1.2 billion Indians or 1.6 billion Chinese consuming at the rate Americans consume... there simply are not enough resources available to support that... and if they do it on oil and gas and coal we are all fucked.

    The Russians are getting new transport aircraft ready for mass production and I suspect the new An-2 would actually sell rather well in India for its short strip performance and low cost operations. Of course now that the Mi-28NM is getting ready for service and the Ka-52 has matured too I think India might think that additional purchases of Apaches might not be their best option... they have a lot of Hips and Hinds and now are making Ka-226Ts too...

    The U.S is not in a "bind" of its own making with this law..... stop dreaming. If they can prevent just one deal as a result of this law, (and I'm sure they've gotten a lot of smaller fish already contained), then it's a net benefit.

    Except such a law puts into question deals with the US... it so far has not stopped sales of S-400 AFAIK... except possibly Qatar I think, but I really didn't count it as a sale... more a declaration of interest... much like Saudi sales of S-400... which I wont believe until deliveries start...

    Of course all this strong arm bullshit has been going on for ever... but normally behind closed doors... I think the real damage this sort of thing is doing is to pride... there was a solid reason why it always used to be behind closed doors but Trump and the current idiots in charge are too stupid to realise it...

    Don't remember who said it... but never interrupt your enemy when they are making mistakes...
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:00 pm

    GarryB wrote:Why would India want to violate Tibet airspace with Flankers?

    in CNN possible nothing. Even US landing on the Moon.

    Why China and India would fight each other? war is not good for economy and both counties ae developing very fast now? besides Chinese S-400 are covering most important cities or naval bases near Taiwan.

    Every time I read about conflict between China and India... I think of China and India both suffering... and America getting a hard on and fanning the flames to fight fight fight fight... from a safe distance of course.

    I can see a pattern like: India vs China, China attacking Siberia (although only Us wanted  Siberia under "international control") , or North Korea attacking both China and Russia.
    And you're right, the only who benefits from this is the Great satan Hegemon





    Take what you can... Russians are already out of their attack-heli market, military transport market, soon fighter aircraft as well. Personally don't like Russia providing such valuable infrastructure as nuclear plants to India, in such quantities to boot.... strategically it's better ie.

    As other countries get drawn in to the consumerism of the west the planet simply cannot 1.2 billion Indians or 1.6 billion Chinese consuming at the rate Americans consume... there simply are not enough resources available to support that...

    Google says:
    The current population of India is...1,357,860,076 as of Friday, October 5, 2018,........... fertility rate 2,2
    2018..........................................1,415,045,928--------------------------------------------fertility rate.1,61 (although this ill go up very soon)


    As for strategic decision: keeping such power in friendly relations is much better for both then pushing them to USA by offending Indians.

    India is powerful enough that they challenged CAATSA and... won. That is a strategic victory for both India && Russia. Sales of Apache is only tactical one.  The more mutually beneficial cooperation the better for both in multipolar world. The only looser here I can see is the great hegemon.





    Don't remember who said it... but never interrupt your enemy when they are making mistakes...

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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  ATLASCUB on Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:35 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Of course all this strong arm bullshit has been going on for ever... but normally behind closed doors... I think the real damage this sort of thing is doing is to pride... there was a solid reason why it always used to be behind closed doors but Trump and the current idiots in charge are too stupid to realise it...

    Don't remember who said it... but never interrupt your enemy when they are making mistakes...

    "The U.S is stupid at running an empire"

    You don't become an empire by being stupid. You become an empire because others are stupid strategic failures such as the Russians and Chinese for most of the 20th century - who as the U.S did rightly noted, want to revise such failings (and why the hell not? - basic). Anyway not worth mentioning other stains in history like Japan and Germany.... they can't revise anything freely yet... although the Germans are quite a specimen.... the E.U is their fourth Reich, under U.S supervision - at Russia's expense in many ways.

    The law casts a wide net and puts everyone on notice that there is an actual vehicle in place to pursue the sanctions. It saves them a lot of time "talking" and leaves no doubt about what the U.S sees as proper and not-proper. Or, like they prefer to say, "puts everyone on notice". Countries might take the jump at their peril.... It also helps their relations with any potentially sanctioned state, as illogical as it would seem. If it's clear which points in the bilateral relationship are contentious and which are not... thus helps in solving them.

    CAATSA is a good law and weapon for the empire to use once it decided to cross the rubicon with Russia. Sanctions are the same - although not all sanctions are effective. Provocations as well - although not all. But the offensive strategy all in all is effective barring kinetic war...... in many respects. The Russians are the suckers that have to be on the defensive almost all the time... of their own making of course. They lost the capacity to lead along the way of despair. Future looks better but definitely rocky... at least its not the 90s.

    Foreign policy for the U.S is a story of mostly success despite the often highlighted failures. Where they've become stupid lately is running their purse - that, and overstretching - like all empires before them, could be their doom. Given their willingness to not revise that and go down fighting for every inch of influence in the world could be a problem for them but if you're in their shoes why would you cede anything to your rivals? Make them outwork you for it and prove they're worth it of having it....... it's addictive and destructive but it's the way it always has been for humanity.
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  ATLASCUB on Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:42 am

    The corruption, negligence and stupidity in India is insane.

    http://www.caravanmagazine.in/business/india-gambles-defence-interests-reliance-group
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:31 am

    in CNN possible nothing. Even US landing on the Moon.

    Now you are just being absurd.... Twisted Evil

    The US landed on the moon... after the Soviets landed on the moon... in fact first orbit of the moon... first view of the dark side of the moon, first lander, first moon material returned to earth... all the Soviets... all the mericans claim to have done was sent people there first...

    Sales of Apache is only tactical one.

    The Apache is a capable mature system, but it is expensive for what it is... I suspect it will be rather like F-35s.... the best medicine is to take your bad tasting pill and work out for yourself it is not the cure promised and leaves a real bad taste in your mouth...

    You don't become an empire by being stupid. You become an empire because others are stupid strategic failures such as the Russians and Chinese for most of the 20th century - who as the U.S did rightly noted, want to revise such failings (and why the hell not? - basic). Anyway not worth mentioning other stains in history like Japan and Germany.... they can't revise anything freely yet... although the Germans are quite a specimen.... the E.U is their fourth Reich, under U.S supervision - at Russia's expense in many ways.

    The US hasn't always been stupid... for quite long periods of its history it has had some very smart people in command... perhaps a bit naive but noble and moral people...

    The dicks they have at the moment (and those that lost to them in the last election), are pathetic lightweights in comparison...

    If it's clear which points in the bilateral relationship are contentious and which are not... thus helps in solving them.

    Relationships are not about ultimatums and demands from one side and total capitulation on the other... the US blaming Russia for poisoning people in the UK and imposing sanctions on them does not solve anything... in fact it makes solving real issues much harder.

    Most of the actions taken against Russia have been self defeating of have been turned to Russias advantage by Putin... Russia is making a lot of its own food and is exporting the excess instead of buying food from the EU... the Crimea is now Russian... something that would have never even been considered possible without the western supported coup in the Ukraine...

    Basically the US is saying it is in command and no one else had better put their heads up to even try to go their own way... Russia, India, Iran, and China have all said no to this... three of the four are big enough to say no and to go their own way, but with EU support Iran can probably get away with it too.

    The only real question is... will the EU realise it does not need to be Americas fawning bitch, and that there could be a place at the table for them if they can get themselves into the chair and don't ask the US for permission...

    CAATSA is a good law and weapon for the empire to use once it decided to cross the rubicon with Russia.

    This sort of shit always went on... but before it was behind closed doors. Now that it is out in the open the shine has faded on the American smile and I think most countries that believed the bullshit America spins can't pretend to believe it any more... dreams don't make much sense when you analyse them when you are awake... they just seemed good at the time.

    The real problem for Russia and China and India was that all the international systems and processes and indeed the economy was based around the US and the west, and the US has done them the service of misusing them as instruments of coercion.... It is much easier for Russia to stop using US dollars when the US starts openly and blatantly using them as a weapon... and it is rather easier for other countries to join them... meaning a multipolar world is vastly more likely in the very near future as more and more countries stop using US dollars to support the US economy...

    But the offensive strategy all in all is effective barring kinetic war...... in many respects.

    For the US the sanctions are massively counter productive... the US didn't know it had things so good, but now that it has had a tantrum and smashed its own toys it will realise the other kids wont want to play anymore and mommy and daddy aren't going to replace all those toys...

    What the US should have done was welcome the Russians into the international community and basically entwined them into the US centric global economy so they would have no alternative and no strength economically to break away and do their own thing... but that ship has sailed... they squandered the time they had and basically made democracy a dirty word in Russia and elsewhere.

    Now they have taken it even a step further and actively broken any real links they might have had to influence and suggest to Russia, so Russia really does not need the west to grow now... there are enough countries on this planet for them to trade with and grow with who will respect them and they can respect...

    v The Russians are the suckers that have to be on the defensive almost all the time... of their own making of course. They lost the capacity to lead along the way of despair. Future looks better but definitely rocky... at least its not the 90s.

    How could a more aggressive Russia solved any of their problems... an aggressive Russia could have started several wars, or simply inflamed situations and not be in the position it is in now... countries don't want deals with the US because on a whim they can say it is not a good deal and walk out of it without any proof you did anything wrong.

    In fact lets face it... they withdrew from the agreement with Iran because the US invasion of Iraq and the US interference in Syria to overthrow Assad had led to Iranian forces getting a toe hold in both countries... toe holds they never could have dreamed of without US intervention and destruction in those countries... if I was a religious man I would say it is clearly gods immediate punishment to the US... they dabbled in the Ukraine and Syria and Iraq where they had no business and as a result Russia and Iran have both directly benefited because they did the right thing helping a neighbour in need...

    Foreign policy for the U.S is a story of mostly success despite the often highlighted failures.

    Over most of its history it has been success because it is no where near the field of play so it is isolated from the damage created... they benefited hugely from WWII and the cold war was a good engine for their economy too, but this post cold war period has been so screwed up by idiots and fools in power in the US it sort of makes you think they are trying to collapse on purpose... so much so their knee jerk reaction has been to try to recreate the cold war again with Russia and China and Iran and North Korea playing the bad guys... and it is just making things worse for them and their allies.

    Given their willingness to not revise that and go down fighting for every inch of influence in the world could be a problem for them but if you're in their shoes why would you cede anything to your rivals?

    And that is their problem... when you are on top of the heap there is only one way to go... you don't see those under you as fellow human beings... they are just things you can step on to keep your nice expensive shoes out of the mud... the problem is that like any good zombie movie... your numbers are getting smaller and smaller and their numbers only get bigger and bigger... even within the west the number of poor is increasing and the number of super rich is getting smaller and smaller... companies are becoming pyramid schemes where the CEOs make millions and don't pay for anything... they get cars and paid holidays and paid lunches etc etc while the people on the ground floor making the product and selling it to the customers make minimum wage and have to find their own car park if they can... such models are not sustainable... yet that is what we have...

    America has stepped on everyone even though it holds the best position... it beats everyone down... there was no anti Russia rhetoric in the 1990s because they were not a threat then... now they are a military threat... they are not even an economic threat but a military threat that could stop the US doing what it wants where it wants, so they are evil... China is an economic threat but not really a military threat yet but they have huge potential in that regard, so they are getting it too.

    Perhaps if the US had treated the Russians like partners, and China like partners then they might feel some gratitude or kinship, but the US did everything it could to stifle and stunt its development... how should Russia and China treat the US?

    Like a rival?

    The thing is that Chinese trading in Africa has been on equal terms and the results have been beneficial to both sides... China wasn't offering charity, but they were offering a partnership where both sides gained and china didn't tell them how to govern or how to behave. Russia is pretty much doing the same thing.

    Europe and the US can't help themselves however and refuse support or money for what they see as bad behaviour...
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:29 pm

    Russian-Indian Deal on S-400 Supplies Signed in Rubles - Deputy Prime Minister

    https://sputniknews.com/world/201810311069374736-russia-india-s-400/?fbclid=IwAR3eV2YVgBD5d3k5z07VyWt7f5k5JW14_v_dASFiMRxhntxJbU2iKgIprrs
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:54 am

    George1 wrote:Russian-Indian Deal on S-400 Supplies Signed in Rubles - Deputy Prime Minister


    he he not bad at all ;-)
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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:43 am

    Interesting that I have seen on a few news sites that the US is telling India it will forgive their purchase of the S-400s if India buys tools and production facilities for F-16 fighters...

    I am thinking it would be funny if they did it and then got rid of all the US component suppliers and replaced all the american systems in their F-16s and replaced them with Russian components... AL-41 jet engine... the same AESA radar the Russians will use in the MiG-35s joint developed with India to improve performance etc... certain avionic from France and Israel... etc etc.

    Or they could order 150 MiG-35s that include a local production contract and really say FU to the US... Smile

    Does anyone know about their purchase of AK-103s... are they buying the old 7.62x39mm or the new 7.62x51mm models?

    Perhaps even both could be made as each has advantages and disadvantages in different terrains and conditions against different targets.

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