George1 wrote: franco wrote:
George1 wrote:So how many battalions in total we have in 12 regiments?
The million dollar question my friend.
At least 1 battalion per every regiment that has upgraded plus arguments could be made for a possible 2-3 battalions more.
With the 300PM's upgrading to PMU standard (with 400 compatibility) it is very hard to tell the difference via Sat images.
They use the same type launcher trailer format with the main difference being the 400 is a meter longer. If they were side by side maybe, but looking at two different locations, I can't tell them apart. Others claim to and I'm sure NSA computers can but not me.
in wiki says 25 battalions in 12 regiments
At a fair resolution of - let's say - 0.5 m it is possible to distinguish 5P85T-1 and 5P85T-2 (although the difference is just 0.585m in length). There are some vital characteristics.
To keep up with S-400 sites it is more difficult to distinguish S-300PS (5P85S-1) and S-400 (5P85S-2).
For example: The latest information say that 1533 RGT at Vladivostok is not yet equipped with S-400 but will soon. At the Moment they are on Training at Ashuluk.
Therefore the exact No of S-400 RGt at the end of 2015 is 11 (assuming that 590 at Novosibirsk and a yet unknown RGT at St.Petersburg - maybe 500th - is already equipped wit S-400).
For Novosibirsk we have confirmation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrdsRcbPW8U
For St.Petersburg we have not.
But without these informations it is hard to tell whether the two sites of the RGt at Vladivostok are equipped with 5P85S1 or S2.
If 500th is re-equipped with 5P85S2 it is an easy job because they differ from the previous 5P85T1 of PM.
More difficult is Moscow. There are rumors in the russian net that 549 spent their equipment. Half of the unit was going to Latakia and half to Gatchina as training unit. And that 549 was re-equipped in Januar 2016! It would be easy if this was done with 5P85T2 but impossible when they got just another batch of 5P85S2.
I'm still not sure what happened with the third Battalions of 606/210/93.
I mean, whether the mysterious 5th RGt set for Moscow was used to fill them up or whether the 5th set just means that 549 was re-euipped in exchange for some re-deployments.
If the third Battalions were filled up then it matters with what type of launchers.
Are there still newly produced 5P85T2 (at all) to fill up 606 and 210? Or would they use 5P85S2 instead?
It would be more easy to figure out a change on the third site of 93. The latest image show no launchers there! If new 5P85S2 or even 5P85T2 come up we will know.
The thesis of filling up the Moscow RGTs comes up when you have a look at the third site of 210.
The northern row of launchers is clearly S-300PM 5P85T1 but the southern row is definitely 5P85T2!
But appart from that it is more difficult to figure out the No of Battalions!
1. Do the Moscow RGT 606/210/93 have two or three Batt of S-400?
2. Kaliningrad have 12 launchers ( not 8 ) at a former S-200 site. Are this one or two Batts?
3. Polyarny: We have 12 5P85S2 at Gadshievo site. Is this one or two Batt? At the second site of this RGT (Severomorsk) we had up to July 12 PMs with 5P85T1. The latest image show no 5P85T1 (probably gone to Novaja Semelya) but three 5P85S2 - is this yet a third Batt?
4. If St Peterburg got S-400 - e.g. with the 500th - did they replace their 4 PM Batt (at two sites) with 2 or 3 S-400 Batts?
All this makes it very difficult to keep up. I think it is possible to follow the No of RGT (11 at the end of 2015 - next will be Vladivostok) but harder to keep up with the Batts (Dec 2015: likely: 23 Batt at 20 sites) and even much more hard to keep up with the No of launchers in a Batt (sometimes 6, 8 or even 12?)!
BTW: Does someone know whether the previously announced launcher 51P6A was just a Gimmik or a real thing to deploy? I never found one of those.
Thanks and Cheers