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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  Aldin_Aba on Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:11 am

    George1 wrote:
    Aldin_Aba wrote:
    George1 wrote:what are the official objectives of YPG in this war? do we know?

    1. Autonomy?
    2. Independence for Kurds?
    3. Just armed protection from ISIS?

    Definitely Independence, they have military, big sway of territory. Basically all elements of the state.

    so SAA is against them since they seek partition of the country. They fight both Turkey and Syria

    No not officially, Iraqi Kurd are the one pushing for independence. SAA and Kurds not fighting each other, probably cus both have bigger problems now.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:00 am

    medo wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:New Peto map. Note that  #IS regain control of Al-Sin, Jub Al-Kalb & Rasm Al-Alam while #SAA capture Barheliyah Hill




    After recent advances #SAA closes in on north #Aleppo:

    Tell Rifaat - 10km

    Azaz - 20km

    Turkish border - 25km

    Great to see a larger map. In the east of Aleppo, SAA should just strike in direction of Suran and Shamir to encircle ISIS and than clean, what is inside. In this case SAA will practically draw a northern front line, which could as well be a dividing line between SAA and Kurds. I don't think SAA should go further north, but should direct forces on east to reach Euphrates river and than the territories in the south direction. Kurds from the northwestern corner should reach Kurds at the Euphrates river in wide enough stripe, that they could defend against Turks and provide cover to SAA back, when they will engage terrorists south of Aleppo.

    i agree with you, after the encirclement of eastern Aleppo and the ISIS scum eradicated, the SAA should then focus on heading further east towards Deir Hafir and take it and continue all the way to the Euphrates and down to Maskanah this would create a good buffer zone around the Jirah airbase. Although the airbase is pretty small 12 shelters and one runway, the airbase previously housed L-39 which i presume have now been destroyed or in a condition which they cannot be flown. But the base would be ideal for attack heli's send in Mi-28 or Ka-52 or if you wanted fixed wing Mig-29SMT would be good obviously once it has been overhauled etc. It would be nice to Iran have some aircraft input they could easily field some F4's. Once this area has been taken ISIS only real supply route is sealed only way to re-supply would be from Turkey in the north or by boat over the Euphrates river, and i cant see either being good options for them. This will be a tough fight as ISIS will pour a lot of their scum towards Deir Hafir to keeps this open as the consequences of not will be great.

    Once the above mentioned has happened the SAA would focus on taking Al Bab and all the villages leading from Al Bab back along the highway to Aleppo. Then they could focus on taking the villages north of Deir Hafir leading towards Manbij, these should be easy targets as ISIS will no doubt pull in reinforcements from here once the Kurds are knock on the door of Manbij. The Kurds cant afford to be focusing on the villages south of Manbij as there main focus after Manbij will be heading north towards the Turkish border then sweeping westwards all the way in till they meet their counterparts in North/west Aleppo. ISIS really are going to have a tough time being attacked from three sides with the only options are to flee over the border to Turkey or stay and die.


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  franco on Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:29 am

    Some people are keeping a fairly decent up-to date map of the areas of control and fighting going on in Syria over on Wikipedia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Syrian_Civil_War_detailed_map

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  franco on Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:31 am

    Aldin_Aba wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    Aldin_Aba wrote:
    George1 wrote:what are the official objectives of YPG in this war? do we know?

    1. Autonomy?
    2. Independence for Kurds?
    3. Just armed protection from ISIS?

    Definitely Independence, they have military, big sway of territory. Basically all elements of the state.

    so SAA is against them since they seek partition of the country. They fight both Turkey and Syria

    No not officially, Iraqi Kurd are the one pushing for independence. SAA and Kurds not fighting each other, probably cus both have bigger problems now.

    Have heard there is a promise of autonomy in the Kurdish areas from the Syrians. Not sure of the specifics.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:56 am

    More than British 1,600 troops will head to the Middle East to practise an Iraq invasion-scale operation for the first time in more than a decade.
    The logistics war game in Jordan aims to ensure the Army can still deploy a 30,000-strong force of tanks and troops to a crisis zone anywhere in the world, despite sharp defence cuts in the past five years.
    Exercise Shamal Storm could be a dry run for one day having to send a large armoured force of British troops to Eastern Europe if there was ever a Russian confrontation with Nato, sources said.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/12143515/1600-British-troops-head-to-Jordan-for-war-game.html

    So moar nukes and System-6 in Thames would do a nice job. And to greet Britons in Syria RPG29 in close distance or Kornets would be nice.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  Aldin_Aba on Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:24 pm

    New northern Aleppo map after YPG took control of Dayr Jamal.


    Visual cofirmation that Kiffin town in Aleppo province is taken by Syrian Army.


    Also truck sized by YPG from JAN in Dayr Jamal shows declaration list in Bosnian language, with powder and mortar rounds. Lighter is from BINAS Bugojno.



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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:51 pm

    I entered the Lunar New Year with great news of victories from SAA. Congratualtion, Syria, and wish you a new year with independence and peace.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:20 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:I entered the Lunar New Year with great news of victories from SAA. Congratualtion, Syria, and wish you a new year with independence and peace.

    My friend, while your sentiments are fine and noble, you realize that everything that has transpired from 1991 till now is but a mere segment of the opening act of the current world war?

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:42 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:I entered the Lunar New Year with great news of victories from SAA. Congratualtion, Syria, and wish you a new year with independence and peace.

    My friend, while your sentiments are fine and noble, you realize that everything that has transpired from 1991 till now is but a mere segment of the opening act of the current world war?

    Better cold then hot. But asI can see the closer west i s to collapse of dollar printer economy them mor often Russia must be confronted. sad.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  Aldin_Aba on Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:02 pm

    As i said yesterday, interesting events in Daraa province, people of Ibta raised Syrian flag today. Dael is next.



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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Feb 08, 2016 3:21 pm


    Terrorists vs. Extremists: Clashes Break Out Between Daesh, al-Nusra Front

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160208/1034406287/daesh-al-nusra-clashes.html

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  Dima on Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:47 pm

    Al-Masdar News ‏@TheArabSource  13 minutes ago
    Syrian Army continues advance towards Kinsibba: 4 villages captured in ...
    http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-continues-advance-towards-kinsibba-4-villages-captured-in-northern-latakia/




    Yesterday's events happened with the NDF units, but their causality is not in the region of what the pro-terrorists quoted. Still a heavy loss for the CT unit.

    Leith Abou Fadel ‏@leithfadel  12 hours ago
    Leith Abou Fadel Retweeted Al-Masdar News
    One of the dumbest offensives I have seen the National Defense Forces launch in this war - 25+ killed.  
    http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/ndf-offensive-inside-tal-kurdi-ends-in-disaster/

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:52 pm

    Dima wrote:Al-Masdar News ‏@TheArabSource  13 minutes ago
    Syrian Army continues advance towards Kinsibba: 4 villages captured in ...
    http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-continues-advance-towards-kinsibba-4-villages-captured-in-northern-latakia/




    Yesterday's events happened with the NDF units, but their causality is not in the region of what the pro-terrorists quoted. Still a heavy loss for the CT unit.

    Leith Abou Fadel ‏@leithfadel  12 hours ago
    Leith Abou Fadel Retweeted Al-Masdar News
    One of the dumbest offensives I have seen the National Defense Forces launch in this war - 25+ killed.  
    http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/ndf-offensive-inside-tal-kurdi-ends-in-disaster/


    Sorry but the Al Masdar piece doesn't make sense. Aldo posted a gelocated map, and from the look of it there's no way in hell the people attacked the lines at their longest exposure (longest distance to travel from line to line). It hasn't nothing to do with "disaster" or whatever. They're at the deepest of the no man's land. If that was during night time, yeah maybe. But it wasn't. It was in broad day light.

    So they better find out what happened and who cut a deal with whom.



    The movement makes no sense. They had better routes if they wanted to go forward.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  Dima on Mon Feb 08, 2016 5:52 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Sorry but the Al Masdar piece doesn't make sense. Aldo posted a gelocated map, and from the look of it there's no way in hell the people attacked the lines at their longest exposure (longest distance to travel from line to line). It hasn't nothing to do with "disaster" or whatever. They're at the deepest of the no man's land. If that was during night time, yeah maybe. But it wasn't. It was in broad day light.

    So they better find out what happened and who cut a deal with whom.



    The movement makes no sense. They had better routes if they wanted to go forward.
    But where were those men going?

    That entire episode is fishy. Their chosen path/line of advance will make sense only after we get to know what that specific units objective/target was. From the video I feel the buildings (where the video is taken) from which the fire came was not their intended target and the men considered it to be a safe/secured flank ?

    The footage showing the dead bodies are taken from different angle other than from where firing was shown. So its confusing, atleast for me.

    In the opening and other shots of the video I do see which looks like AKs in the hands of deceased fighters, but as someone else pointed out earlier, it could have been with empty magazines...



    Aldin,

    Is it possible for you to mark the direction from where the guys came and possibly the line of advance from the videos available?

    There are small walls/structures to the right side, in the direction the soldiers were running and which can be clearly seen on the right side of the soldier who is shot again when he sits up after getting injured from the earlier fire. I cant see that structure anywhere near the dead bodies in the pic you posted. In the video it appears just very close to those soldiers who probably were running to take cover behind it.

    Its just out of curiosity, want to know what really happened.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  Aldin_Aba on Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:39 pm

    Dima wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Sorry but the Al Masdar piece doesn't make sense. Aldo posted a gelocated map, and from the look of it there's no way in hell the people attacked the lines at their longest exposure (longest distance to travel from line to line). It hasn't nothing to do with "disaster" or whatever. They're at the deepest of the no man's land. If that was during night time, yeah maybe. But it wasn't. It was in broad day light.

    So they better find out what happened and who cut a deal with whom.



    The movement makes no sense. They had better routes if they wanted to go forward.
    But where were those men going?

    That entire episode is fishy. Their chosen path/line of advance will make sense only after we get to know what that specific units objective/target was. From the video I feel the buildings (where the video is taken) from which the fire came was not their intended target and the men considered it to be a safe/secured flank ?

    The footage showing the dead bodies are taken from different angle other than from where firing was shown. So its confusing, atleast for me.

    In the opening and other shots of the video I do see which looks like AKs in the hands of deceased fighters, but as someone else pointed out earlier, it could have been with empty magazines...



    Aldin,

    Is it possible for you to mark the direction from where the guys came and possibly the line of advance from the videos available?

    There are small walls/structures to the right side, in the direction the soldiers were running and which can be clearly seen on the right side of the soldier who is shot again when he sits up after getting injured from the earlier fire. I cant see that structure anywhere near the dead bodies in the pic you posted. In the video it appears just very close to those soldiers who probably were running to take cover behind it.

    Its just out of curiosity, want to know what really happened.

    It definitely looks like staged.

    This was their running pattern :
    http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=33.589013&lon=36.479373&z=18&m=b&gz=0;364794158;335883917;0;15506;2038;13987;3111;12825;4076;11395;4827;9250;5471;7373;7402;4155;8368;2815;5471;134;5364;178;5096;1251;5310;0;7134;446

    When zoomed in at the end building with hangar like structure is here:
    http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=33.589286&lon=36.486036&z=19&m=b

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:51 pm

    First contact should have been initiated about 100/150m up where they were at 40/50m from the trenches on their right side. Hell they would have stood a better chance attacking the trenches, than pushing forward.

    Also flanking with a DSHK on a pintle mount, yeah...sounds about as believable as me being a virgin. I really hope for the sake of their families, these were either prisoners or it really was a monumental WTF moment and not a betrayal.




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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:22 pm


    https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/696762481549697024


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:23 pm

    Who actually geolocates all those pictures? Either people who very well know the location (intern) or intelligence people that know how to pinpoint locations from pictures/footage and looking at the frequency of pinned locations from footage i would guess the later one.

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    Post  Neutrality on Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:40 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Who actually geolocates all those pictures? Either people who very well know the location (intern) or intelligence people that know how to pinpoint locations from pictures/footage and looking at the frequency of pinned locations from footage i would guess the later one.

    Very easy. Nowadays cameras push out EXIF data when they make a picture. These contain very precise GPS data (through geotagging).

    Probably the same way how artillery units wiped out Ukrainian cauldrons in Donbass *wink wink*

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  par far on Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:41 pm

    The terriosts have formed an alliance, this just makes it easier to kill them all.


    http://southfront.org/international-military-review-syria-feb-8-2016/


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  Militarov on Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:01 pm



    ANNA Deir ez-Zor report

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  Erk on Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:02 pm

    par far wrote:The terriosts have formed an alliance, this just makes it easier to kill them all.


    http://southfront.org/international-military-review-syria-feb-8-2016/


    Doesn't help their cause mixing the "moderates" up with the hard cores, not that the SAA cares about that, they treat anyone that picks up a gun against them as a legitimate target. But the US has been trying to sell us the story that there are good and bad terrorists.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  Militarov on Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:48 pm



    SAA captured truck which had equipment of Turkish origin in it BUT, on this pic is crate of 2x120mm mortar mines built by ex Yugoslavia, company "Pretis" from Sarajevo. Probably obtained via Croatia. Yugoslavian warload does not get old, its like wine, gets better Very Happy

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  Project Canada on Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:54 pm

    Alleged Saudi forces going to Syria through Jordan

    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1537809923214811

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #6

    Post  Neutrality on Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:01 pm

    Project Canada wrote:Alleged Saudi forces going to Syria through Jordan

    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1537809923214811

    So it's on then.

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