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    Re: IRAQ - Fight on Islamic State: News #2

    Post  sheytanelkebir on Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:25 am

    so how many tanks verified as knocked out by daesh? i doubt it will put a dent into the iraqi advance. all hit tanks are withdrawn and rebuilt. since 2013 until now Iraq's "total loss" 7 abrams tanks in aggregate. but following the "iraq an american failure" oriented media one would get an impression that they lost 100...

    what is happening now is another chapter in the slow grinding fall from grace of iraq's sunni arab minority that's been in motion since 2003. all attempts by the sunni-arab supremacists in iraq to regain control of iraq have simply ended up destroying their own towns and displacing their own populations from their strongholds... they've also managed to burn their bridges not only with the shias, but with kurds, yazidis and christians of iraq in the process ensuring that the "good old days" seeking sunni-arab minority is quickly becoming a small powerless minority no longer able to control their own "regions" let alone take over all of iraq and "take revenge" on the "traitors" who betrayed them in 2003... (shias, kurds, christians, mandeans, yazidis etc...).

    this isn't over yet however. I'd expect that Erdogan would try something to stop the current motions from happening... hell maybe even dropping 1000 parachutists into central mosul tomorrow and as their "daesh friends" conveniently "disappear" Erdogan can claim that Turkey "liberated" Mosul from Daesh and that Mosul is now "Turkish disputed territory... maybe even hold a "referendum" of the remaining sunni-arab population that's still in Mosul who would overwhelmingly vote to "join turkey".

    That would be my "best guess" of the situation as of today.

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    Re: IRAQ - Fight on Islamic State: News #2

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:39 am

    sheytanelkebir wrote:so how many tanks verified as knocked out by daesh? i doubt it will put a dent into the iraqi advance. all hit tanks are withdrawn and rebuilt. since 2013 until now Iraq's "total loss" 7 abrams tanks in aggregate. but following the "iraq an american failure" oriented media one would get an impression that they lost 100...

    what is happening now is another chapter in the slow grinding fall from grace of iraq's sunni arab minority that's been in motion since 2003. all attempts by the sunni-arab supremacists in iraq to regain control of iraq have simply ended up destroying their own towns and displacing their own populations from their strongholds... they've also managed to burn their bridges not only with the shias, but with kurds, yazidis and christians of iraq in the process ensuring that the "good old days" seeking sunni-arab minority is quickly becoming a small powerless minority no longer able to control their own "regions" let alone take over all of iraq and "take revenge" on the "traitors" who betrayed them in 2003... (shias, kurds, christians, mandeans, yazidis etc...).

    this isn't over yet however. I'd expect that Erdogan would try something to stop the current motions from happening... hell maybe even dropping 1000 parachutists into central mosul tomorrow and as their "daesh friends" conveniently "disappear" Erdogan can claim that Turkey "liberated" Mosul from Daesh and that Mosul is now "Turkish disputed territory... maybe even hold a "referendum" of the remaining sunni-arab population that's still in Mosul who would overwhelmingly vote to "join turkey".

    That would be my "best guess" of the situation as of today.

    Sheitan you know most of us, we aren't doing this to make you pissy or crap on Iraq. I put it on mainly to show that the Abroomz isn't that beast of a tank without all the US suite around it. Same for the ATGM shots, we would have liked this happened on the "Soudis", but alas it is in Iraq, we mean no disrespect. Quite the contrary, same for the Russians in Chechnya or the DNR/LNR in Ukraine, it's war losses happen, no need to pretend this happens only to Iraqis.

    For the rest yes, it looks like a the death throes of a movement that tried and i think failed to break Iraq for good. Just making this clear.

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:48 am

    well the US lost over 60-70 tanks in Iraq between 2003-2008. losing tanks is not "impossible" except in the imagination of some fanboys. daesh is a very ruthless and efficient army. no doubt. its only overwhelming iraqi (with allied) power that is breaking their back.


    but, like i said the "real big elephant in this room" is erdogan. he has a historical "last chance" now to grab mosul from iraq and add it to turkey. If the iraqi army marches into mosul... it'll be "lost forever" since a "post daesh" mosul will look very different from the current mosul.

    1- the sunni arab majority of mosul will mostly end up as refugees in turkey, putting pressure on turkey.
    2- mosul will become a "christian, yazidi, shabaki" region that is hostile to turkey and "neo ottomanism"



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    Re: IRAQ - Fight on Islamic State: News #2

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:55 am

    sheytanelkebir wrote:well the US lost over 60-70 tanks in Iraq between 2003-2008. losing tanks is not "impossible" except in the imagination of some fanboys. daesh is a very ruthless and efficient army. no doubt. its only overwhelming iraqi (with allied) power that is breaking their back.

    Insh'allah.

    Meanwhile total shitfest on Tweeter and internet between Turks and Kurds. Looks so pretty. I can't fathom what it would be with both sides having regular armies.

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    Post  Erk on Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:01 am

    There goes another tank.



    That's what happens when you supply TOW

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    Post  zarib on Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:28 am

    Erk wrote:There goes another tank.



    That's what happens when you supply TOW

    That's the same one posted earlier

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    Post  zarib on Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:36 am

    https://www.facebook.com/Tactic.cell/videos/1733516473638005/

    The ICTF in the village of Khaznah. 5 Km east of Mosul. According to latest reports (Shafaaq news), the ICTF are now just 2 Km east of Mosul, and have halted their advance to give time for other forces to advance closer to Mosul from other fronts.



    Mi-35s in Qayyarah airbase.



    Ministry of Interior Emergency Response Division soldiers a few Km south west of Hamam Al-Alil (35 Km south of Mosul).


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    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:08 am

    So U.S. smart bombs do have a taste of peeping schoolgirls ?

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201610251046710874-us-jet-hits-school/

    A US warplane hit a girls' school in the south of the Iraqi city of Mosul on October 21, the Russian General Staff's chief said Tuesday.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:26 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:So U.S. smart bombs do have a taste of peeping schoolgirls ?

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201610251046710874-us-jet-hits-school/

    A US warplane hit a girls' school in the south of the Iraqi city of Mosul on October 21, the Russian General Staff's chief said Tuesday.

    yet another mistake? no war crimes of course? where are those British & Froggy a$$ho£€$ shouting about war crimes?  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked


    Amnesty: the US killed in Iraq and Syria 300 civilians

    "During the eleven attacks carried out by coalition forces led by the United States over the past two years against DAISH (the Arabic name banned in Russia ISIL) killed at least 300 civilians",- stated in the discussion paper, Amnesty International. NGOs called on Washington for greater transparency of its actions in Syria and Iraq, according to romandie.com.
    In late September, the organization sent the U.S. Department of defense Memorandum, which raised various questions. In particular, it was requested to explain the essence of operations by the coalition forces led by the U.S. Central command (CENTCOM). The response from the Pentagon has still not received.
    shooting at residential areas and schools
    In the Memorandum collected and analyzed information from various sources, including contained the testimony of eyewitnesses who believe that CENTCOM "can't take all the necessary measures to protect civilians".

    "The us military carried out illegal attacks, which led to the deaths and injuries of civilians", - such conclusion contains in the report of Amnesty International.

    "It is time that the American authorities recognized the extent of the damage caused by a coalition of civilians in Syria. Remember that CENTCOM has recognized so far only one death associated with the attacks carried out by them", - noted human rights activists.

    According to Amnesty International, "to shed light on the actions of the coalition are required in the light of new air strikes, which likely will increase in the liberation of Mosul and which affected the civilian population."

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    Re: IRAQ - Fight on Islamic State: News #2

    Post  sheytanelkebir on Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:37 pm

    zarib wrote:
    Erk wrote:There goes another tank.



    That's what happens when you supply TOW

    That's the same one posted earlier



    yea. like I wrote above... iraq's lost 200 tanks by now...

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    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:56 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:

    yea. like I wrote above... iraq's lost 200 tanks by now...

    200 lost tanks from ISIS?


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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:38 pm

    George1 wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:

    yea. like I wrote above... iraq's lost 200 tanks by now...

    200 lost tanks from ISIS?

    It's sarcasm, the losses of tanks are in the low Dozen.

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    Post  Militarov on Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:46 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:

    yea. like I wrote above... iraq's lost 200 tanks by now...

    200 lost tanks from ISIS?

    It's sarcasm, the losses of tanks are in the low Dozen.

    Depends what we count, if we count those captured, damaged but still thrown out of combat, destroyed... loses kinda do pile up since 2014.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:23 am

    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:

    yea. like I wrote above... iraq's lost 200 tanks by now...

    200 lost tanks from ISIS?

    It's sarcasm, the losses of tanks are in the low Dozen.

    Depends what we count, if we count those captured, damaged but still thrown out of combat, destroyed... loses kinda do pile up since 2014.

    Tanks on cam are really about 20-24. This is because the Iraqis were left with light infantry vehicles and a really small pool of tanks about a tenth of the initial force they had (200-220 "tanks") then they were supplemented by second hand M1A1's and T-72 from Bulgaria and Hungary. Czechs sent some as well.

    So for instance the tanks we see in use are M1/T-72/Type 59 Iraq was in taks to acquire T90 allegedly, still no signs of them. In all Iraq doesn't have more than 500 tanks in running order. By comparison Syria has lost over 600 tanks in 5 years. No "BMB" is not a tank. ;-).

    Now if you start counting other AFV's, for sure then it mounts, MRAPS and M1114/51 alone make for huge loss. But Tanks, there aren't enough to lose 200.

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:28 am

    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:

    yea. like I wrote above... iraq's lost 200 tanks by now...

    200 lost tanks from ISIS?

    It's sarcasm, the losses of tanks are in the low Dozen.

    Depends what we count, if we count those captured, damaged but still thrown out of combat, destroyed... loses kinda do pile up since 2014.

    actually they don't. so although isis have taken pics of themselves with 8 different abrams tanks since 2004 (from different angles), most were recovered. lots of tanks have been hit... some dozens of times. but the number of total losses are actually very small, purely because (as kotemore said) iraq simply doesn't have many tanks.

    they requested replacement tanks from the US for the lost ones. The request was for 6 tanks.

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:35 pm

    near mosul the ISOF destroyed a daesh stronghold and found a T-55 tank which is ex-syrian.

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:50 pm

    a second syrian origin T55 was captured from daesh.

    and today one of the 6 M-198s that daesh captured from the iraqi army in 2014 in mosul was captured too.

    of the 6 guns they captured its known that 2 have been destroyed in air strikes... and with the one recaptured today that means that there
    are potentially 3 M-198 guns still in daesh hands somewhere.

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:47 am

    iraqi air force now deploying to qayara air base after it was refurbished in record time.


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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:15 pm

    iraqi PMU has started the move towards tel afar. a daesh stronghold city near the syrian border.

    the aim is to cut off daesh from escaping to syria.

    also iraqi military council for the first time categorically stated that they will pursue daesh into syria.

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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:48 pm

    As per the previous post, this is the state of the area of the strike north to cut the roads to Syria before chasing ISIS in Syria. This is something the US really does not want, Iraqi forces operating on behalf of the Syrian Government on the east bank of the Euphrates. They destroyed the bridges to stop the Syrians, now this.

    However when dealing with the Coalition, once bitten, twice shy. "avoid friendly fire"

    Elijah J. Magnier ‏@EjmAlrai 11h11 hours ago

    Telafar will be taken by PMU and OM Abadi didn't ask for US Air support on the western front to avoid friendly fire. @Tez1862





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    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:50 am

    also iraqi military council for the first time categorically stated that they will pursue daesh into syria.


    Glad to see they are not treating that dirt like it is out of sight out of mind... that it is not a problem when it is under the rug...

    Best of luck to the Iraqi forces and I hope they use all the gear they have to exterminate the scum effectively... even the American stuff. Smile


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    Re: IRAQ - Fight on Islamic State: News #2

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:51 am

    Maybe CAS is more important than the risk of 'friendly fire' at an operational level

    Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha 4h4 hours ago

    Iraq's 16th Division with Coalition CAS begin advance on Tel Kepe axis north of Mosul


    Also

    Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha 4h4 hours ago

    ISOF, 3rd Brigade & 9th,16th Divisions have launched assault along west bank & N&E outskirts as part of concurrent advance towards Mosul


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    Re: IRAQ - Fight on Islamic State: News #2

    Post  calm on Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:24 pm

    #ISF liberate more villages in SW,SE & NE of #Mosul from #IS

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    Post  calm on Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:37 pm

    #ISF/#Peshmerga liberate more villages non-Stop advance in All axes of #Mosul

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    Post  Viktor on Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:39 pm

    Iraq shia millitia under command of Iranian general is now the one who is leading the fight against ISIS. Coalition has backed down. They have been left with only corporate media to spread the lies.

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