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    Re: Russian National Defense Strategy: Issues

    Post  russianumber1 on Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:02 am

    I think still possible war against nato although unlikely to russia currently has 22,000 tanks but only 6mil are ready to fight the rest in reserve his opinion could defeat the russian born before American reinforcements chegerem in europe a possible war the nato
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    Re: Russian National Defense Strategy: Issues

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:43 am

    In a war with all of NATO tanks will be irrelevant... that is what the nuclear deterrent is for.

    Tactical nukes will make up for any numbers shortage.

    China vs Russia is a western wet dream.

    The most likely conflict China faces is over soverignty of islands near it, or the declaration of independence by Taiwan... the latter will test US resolve as they have pledged to support Taiwan independence if sought AFAIK.

    By 2020 the Russian military will be well into its reforms with 70 percent new equipment... by 2025 it should be 90%.

    From what we have seen they are developing training and testing equipment as well as production equipment etc so by 2020 they should be in a good position to produce things rather more rapidly.


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    Re: Russian National Defense Strategy: Issues

    Post  Viktor on Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:50 pm

    West is slow again. I guess it will take time for them to used to the fact that Russia and China are in the same tent now.
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    National Defence Management Centre

    Post  Viktor on Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:04 am

    Didnt know where to put this ...  thumbsup 

    Russia Begins Construction of National Defense Center
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    Russian Military doctrine

    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:37 am

    Russia to Update Military Doctrine by End-2014 – Russian Security Council

    MOSCOW, September 2 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will update its military doctrine by the end of 2014 to reflect new security threats, including the expansion of NATO, US missile shield plans and the political crisis in Ukraine, the deputy head of the Russian Security Council said Tuesday.

    A special working group was set up within the framework of the council to introduce amendments to the doctrine, which was last updated in 2010.

    “We plan to finish amending the military doctrine this year,” Mikhail Popov, the council’s deputy chairman, told RIA Novosti in an interview.

    “I have no doubts that the issue of NATO military infrastructure encroaching on our borders, including through the expansion of the alliance, will remain among the biggest military threats to the Russian Federation,” the official said.

    “In 2010, this point of the military doctrine triggered a sharp reaction … A number of high-profile officials reproached our country’s leaders in outdated thinking, claiming that NATO is not Russia’s enemy … We were assured of good intentions, but the moves of the recent years suggest completely another thing,” Popov added.

    Among other security threats, Popov named the determination by the United States and its NATO allies to enhance their strategic offensive potential by building a global missile defense system.

    The updated security doctrine will also mention “the emergence of new military threats to the Russian Federation, related to the Arab Spring events, the military conflict in Syria and the situation in Ukraine and around it.”

    Amendments to the military doctrine will also touch on Russia’s independence in producing weapons, hardware and other military equipment production.

    “Life shows that the reliability of our certain Western partners is a temporary thing, and it is, unfortunately, closely linked with the political situation,” Popov stressed.

    The European Union and the United States imposed a few waves of economic sanctions on Russia following Crimea’s reunification with the country in March. The West argues that the referendum allowing the peninsula to join Russia was illegal, while Moscow claims it was fully legitimate. The list of sanctions includes restrictions on Russia’s banking and oil sectors and, in particular, an embargo on arms trading.

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    NATO invasion to Russia

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:00 am

    I don't think NATO is prepared to invade Russia ever.. if they went crazy and on drugs they could try it...and with enough element of surprise they might even be able to take a city  near the border temporarily.. But what will they do next after Russia launching EMP bombs to disable their communications and Iskanders on their heads?  Russia have the most largest artillery forces in the world.. second to none.. about 13,000 units ,from self propelled ,to rocket artillery. USA artillery forces have more than all NATO combined and still have about 30% of Russia.  In the real world today..
    artillery rules all.. forget about tanks.. forget about anti tank missiles..even forget about navies.. in land wars owns all. Good artillery is the thing that will turn the balance to any side.  NATO Airforces will not be able to penetrate a shield of S-300s /S-400s Pantsirs /Buks + manpads that Russia have.  So the war just like in Ukraine war will be decided by artillery. Who use it more efficiently wins.


    So NATO invading Russia not going to happen. not even if none side had nukes.. In the other Hand Russia could invade USA with China and hold california.. because USA have all their troops spread world wide. and Europe will take years to get to california to help.. Only Japan ,Canada and maybe Australia if have a navy can help.. But a China + Russia alliance could defeat without problem the US navy in the pacific ,specially because Russia can snipe from distance the US navy.. with 700km Kalibers up to 5,000km  chinesse anti ship missiles. versus the 140km harpoons.  The major weakness of US is precisely that.. that they have all their military hardware spread around the world.. so in a real war.. Russia can choke the pacific and any other force that try to enter black sea will be also choked.

    you can compare Russia numbers here

    http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=Russia

    versus USA..
    http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=United-States-of-America

    US navy what Russia have in corvettes ,US have in Destroyers and frigates.. in Submarines numbers they are very close , on airforce US more larger ..but in army artillery combined forces much weaker than RUssia.. near ~13,000 vs ~4,000.  US airforce is larger but will not any advantage because of RUssian defenses..

    If you want to see how NATO fight on equal terms more or less.. vs Russia look no further than Ukraine war. and that was with Russia only sending a couple of thousands of volunteers with NATO /Kiev having a massive advantage in numbers ,using Airforce and much more tanks.. and even supplied with NATO weapons and private a couple of hundreds or thousands private mercenaries.
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    Re: Russian National Defense Strategy: Issues

    Post  Sujoy on Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:15 pm

    National Defence Management Centre established in Moscow

    The centre, which will function as a new federal unit from December 1, is tasked with monitoring the Russian and global security situation.

    http://www.rg.ru/2014/10/27/kartapolov.html
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    Re: Russian National Defense Strategy: Issues

    Post  Viktor on Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:18 am

    wow wow wow .... I had no idea it was gona be so EPIC russia russia

    In a matter of days its going with full capacity







    and really great article about the task National Defence Management Centre

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    Re: Russian National Defense Strategy: Issues

    Post  George1 on Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:41 am

    Viktor wrote:wow wow wow .... I had no idea it was gona be so EPIC russia russia

    In a matter of days its going with full capacity







    and really great article about the task National Defence Management Centre

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    what is this building?
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    Re: Russian National Defense Strategy: Issues

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:41 am

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    Re: Russian National Defense Strategy: Issues

    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 01, 2014 4:56 am

    GarryB wrote:
    National Defence Management Centre

    it is a reconstruction of the Soviet-time Defence Ministry building on Frunzenskaya embankment.


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    National Defence Management Centre established in Moscow

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:51 am

    George1 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    National Defence Management Centre

    it is a reconstruction of the Soviet-time Defence Ministry building on Frunzenskaya embankment.



    So you mean is a modernization of an existing building? looks like a totally new building for me..

    Where it is located? it is finished?
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    Re: Russian National Defense Strategy: Issues

    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:46 am

    New Russian Military Doctrine Labels NATO as Main Threat

    MOSCOW – The Kremlin on Friday branded the expansion of NATO as a fundamental threat to Russia in a revised military doctrine that dramatically reflects deteriorating relations with the West.

    The new document, approved by Russian President Vladimir Putin, decries the "reinforcement of NATO's offensive capacities directly on Russia's borders, and measures taken to deploy a global anti-missile defense system" in Central Europe.

    NATO was already seen a major threat in an earlier version of the doctrine published in 2010, but the war in Ukraine has further raised tensions to levels not seen since the Cold War.

    The alarmed tone of the new version comes in the wake of repeated protests by Moscow over NATO's decision to position troops in alliance member states like Poland or the Baltic states that border Russia.

    The Kremlin has also opposed NATO's American-driven plan to base its anti-missile defense shield in Central Europe, which Moscow views as directed foremost against Russia.

    The doctrine's harsher tone also follows Wednesday's decision by Ukraine to abandon its non-aligned status — a symbolic move that provoked Moscow's anger by potentially clearing the way for Kiev to request NATO membership.

    Ukraine faces a huge task to bring its military up to NATO norms, and key members of the alliance, including France and Germany, remain skeptical about it joining the alliance.

    Despite its new anti-NATO edge, the Russian doctrine remains primarily defensive in nature, calling any military action by Russia justifiable only after all non-violent options to settle a conflict have been exhausted.

    In the same vein, it notes the "decreased likelihood of a large-scale war against Russia", although it does list a number of increasing threats to stability like territorial disputes, "interference in the internal affairs" of nations, and the use of strategic arms in space.

    Russia's new military doctrine also introduces the concept of "non-nuclear dissuasion" based on maintaining a high degree of preparedness of conventional military forces. It also urges active participation in regional security organizations like the Commonwealth of Independent States, made up of nine former Soviet Republics; and the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation formed by Russia, China, and several ex-Soviet Caucasian republics.

    It reserves however the right to use the country's nuclear arsenal in the event of aggression against Russia or its allies, or in case of "threat to the very existence of the state."

    Among the principal duties listed in the doctrine for the country's armed forces during times of peace is the protection "of Russia's national interests in the Arctic," a strategic region in Russia's future energy development to which the United States and Canada also lay claim.
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    Re: Russian National Defense Strategy: Issues

    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:47 am

    Russian Defense Ministry to clarify new edition of Russia's military doctrine

    MOSCOW, March 17. /TASS/. Russia’s Defense Ministry plans to organize a series of briefings at international forums to clarify the new edition of the Russian military doctrine, Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov said on Tuesday.

    "We plan to hold such briefings at various international venues, including the United Nations anf the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE)," he told journalists. "I will speak on the sidelines of a review conference for the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) due to be held in April-May 2015 in New York."

    "It is a very important work and we have a lot to do in this area," he added.


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    Russian army today

    Post  henriksoder on Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:39 am

    Hello

    I want to discuss the russian army strength in contrast to other powers in the world. Is it true that the Russian Army got 766000 active soldiers across the frontlines? For a couple years ago or something they had one million or something? Have it decreased or what? I think the Russian Army should focus on reorganize themselves in a amount and effectively protect their borders in a strong way. How many reserve personal got Russian? I mean China must have at least two million soldiers with their active reserve personal. I think US army got max 400000 active soldiers or less, which country in the world is able to bring up the strongest force of active and reserve soldiers? I think China, but isent't China almost equality strong with Russia in military force, except that Russian got much more tanks, corvettes and more aircrafts? I am courious about knowing how much active soldiers US have.

    The navy of Russian, shoulden't they get carriars to stabilize military zones in the Ocean Pacific or maybe at eastern parts of the country ocean? Why dosesnt Russia got any carriars? They have easily the most corvettes in the world? Have they the strongest navy in the world? What can US do with their many carriars and not any corvettes I think, bomb Russian corvettes, like in Red Alert? How can US defend their carriars at sea amongst a Russian invasion for example?

    Is Russian Air Force the second strongest in the world? Russian Airborne Troops, Strategic Missile Troops, Russian Space Forces, how does them work, how strong are their and is it stronger units then for example the equal in the US army?

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    Re: Russian National Defense Strategy: Issues

    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:11 am

    Would answer your questions with a question for you... how strong does the Russian military need to be?

    Does it need to be the most powerful on earth?

    Or does it need to be powerful enough to deter 90% of all countries on the planet, while at the same time able to destroy any or all other countries with its nuclear capability when it needs to to deter others from aggression against Russia?


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    Post  henriksoder on Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:56 am

    Russian army should be strong enough to maintain a safe world where human rights, human equal and human freedom, and human and economic progress is sustained and insured. Russian army should also be also obtain national security strongly enough. Russia must be able to defend their borders strongly, and obtain a powerful offensive to keep the world safe. Russia must also work for a proseper, fair and peaceful world.

    Russian soldiers should reorganize and work for a better amount soldiers, where equal training and equipment is insured with the growing military budget. Russia's military budget must grow to obtain the values as mentioned above. Russia's mark force is good and should maintain it's tank force and it's other overrepresentation of vechiles. The air force should also grow with the growing military budget to work more worldwide. Russia's navy should grow with the growing military budget to better control the Baltic Sea, Pacific Ocean and international water. Russia should get at least one more carriar in the next decade to better control the sea. Russia army should also work for neccesarily high-technology military equipment.

    I think the Russia Army should contintiue to be the strongest army in the world and work for Russian values and a better world.
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    Re: Russian National Defense Strategy: Issues

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:05 pm

    It is not russias buisness to police the world, that is no one buisness to tell other countries what they have to do and what not, that is plain and simple terrorism. It would be far enough when those few known countries would stop paying NGO's and invest money to destabilize countries, so those countries can actually have a healthy and normal growth of economy and normal process of implementing order and law like they want and what fits their cultures, societies and mindsets the best and not getting occupied and killed and then oppressed to adopt some non function shitty system from abroad. That never worked and never will.

    Russia right now can repel every single nation on this planet from its own soil, with conventional and with nuclear weapons. It does not need capabilities to play world bully, it just needs long term military assets that protect russia from any treaty breaking measurements of the US, like stationing nukes in europea, installing ABM shields and destabilizing russias boardering countries and russia itself. Russia is already doing exactly that, slow pace some of those measurements but at least they do them.
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    Re: Russian National Defense Strategy: Issues

    Post  flamming_python on Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:22 pm

    henriksoder wrote:Russian army should be strong enough to maintain a safe world where human rights, human equal and human freedom, and human and economic progress is sustained and insured. Russian army should also be also obtain national security strongly enough. Russia must be able to defend their borders strongly, and obtain a powerful offensive to keep the world safe. Russia must also work for a proseper, fair and peaceful world.

    Russian soldiers should reorganize and work for a better amount soldiers, where equal training and equipment is insured with the growing military budget. Russia's military budget must grow to obtain the values as mentioned above. Russia's mark force is good and should maintain it's tank force and it's other overrepresentation of vechiles. The air force should also grow with the growing military budget to work more worldwide. Russia's navy should grow with the growing military budget to better control the Baltic Sea, Pacific Ocean and international water. Russia should get at least one more carriar in the next decade to better control the sea. Russia army should also work for neccesarily high-technology military equipment.

    I think the Russia Army should contintiue to be the strongest army in the world and work for Russian values and a better world.

    I don't want to make a better world; I mean it would be nice if we could contribute to it - but if we try to remake the world in our image then we'll end up as an ideologically bankrupt power like the US is now.

    Besides which we don't have a perfect country ourselves; it's really none of our business to impose our values onto other countries or to try and teach other people how to live.

    The Russian military should protect Russia and our close allies. That's it.
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    Re: Russian National Defense Strategy: Issues

    Post  henriksoder on Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:52 pm

    flamming_python wrote:I don't want to make a better world; I mean it would be nice if we could contribute to it - but if we try to remake the world in our image then we'll end up as an ideologically bankrupt power like the US is now.
    Better world should include a strong Russia which promote a prosper, developing and equal world. Russia must have the power to grow their economy, the oil production for example reached record levels and EU should work against Russia's aggressive agenda. Russia can with one more carriar control military zones in for example the Ocean Pacific and defend Russian values and interest. Russia's military must be strong in order to maintain world peace. I just mean that Russia's defense should adapt and develop to a more effective modern defense with high-technology equipment which can make it easy for Russia to spread it's military power.
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    Re: Russian National Defense Strategy: Issues

    Post  George1 on Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:56 am

    Russia’s New Military Doctrine Poses No Threat to Western States - Official

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150411/1020759647.html#ixzz3X4k1HvyY

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    Armata platform and the context of modern military tactical doctrine...

    Post  Firebird on Thu May 07, 2015 11:47 am

    Most people think that the Armata is a terrific new platform. Obviously very good value.
    Certainly as good as foreign analogues. Probably better than them.

    Its interesting to note the foreign media spin on it all. America claims that the move is towards lighter, manouverable vehicles.
    And drones, airstrikes robotics etc etc.

    So I wonder where state of the art tanks will fit into the military doctrines of the next 10/20 yrs in different fighting environments.

    Obviously stage one would be drone reconaissance and long range missile strikes. Followed by shorter range missiles and air superiority.
    Next would come artillery shelling etc. At some pt of this there would be undercover airborne special force deployments.
    Later on, there MIGHT be Airborne troop deployment.

    But I wonder where Armata tank deployment might come in.
    The concern is that anti tank missiles might be used by single enemy ground troops who are hard to detect, and could potentially take out an expensive tank with several troops in.

    I can see how Armata is useful as a mobile radar station. And for shelling. But the tank itself might have a range of 7000 metres? Yet be vulnerable to a single enemy hidden in rubble, just 100m away. Obviously Chechnya 1 was a horror film for tanks.
    Doubtless Armata is vastly better than those tanks.

    My post isn't meant as a criticism of Armata battle tanks, far from it. As I believe it to be truly cutting edge.
    I'm just wondering where it fits in vs enemy troops, tanks, choppers etc.

    Obviously the answer would differ on who the enemy was. For instance Saudi, or Japan, or the Western Ukraine etc etc.
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    Re: Russian National Defense Strategy: Issues

    Post  GarryB on Fri May 08, 2015 11:22 am

    Its interesting to note the foreign media spin on it all. America claims that the move is towards lighter, manouverable vehicles.
    And drones, airstrikes robotics etc etc.

    Well the Russians haven't gone for 100 ton land monitors... they have vehicles... and that is tanks and APCs and artillery etc etc vehicles with tank levels of armour for the crew if not the weapon system, but they also have three other vehicle families with different armour protection levels that are all amphibious... with wheels and tracks... so they have the heavy armoured vehicles but also the ligher manouverable vehicles and all of them have robots and drones and battle managements to call in airstrikes and artillery.

    Remember after failing to produce a new self propelled artillery piece the Russians are introducing new versions of the tube and rocket artillery vehicles with greatly extended range performance.

    But I wonder where Armata tank deployment might come in.
    The concern is that anti tank missiles might be used by single enemy ground troops who are hard to detect, and could potentially take out an expensive tank with several troops in.

    Very small groups of enemy are often the easiest to hunt down and kill... they will be unable to support each other and the hard kill and soft kill systems on these vehicles should make them some of the hardest vehicles for enemy to deal with. Of course wire a 1,000kg aviation bomb at the side of the road and most tanks will become mush... except these vehicles will have equipment to deal with radio command detonated weapons... so they might even survive that.

    there is no such thing as invincible, but these designs maximise the protection of the crew pretty much at the expense of all else... after all they can make another vehicle...

    Anything too dangerous even for people and you can start sending in armed drones...

    I can see how Armata is useful as a mobile radar station. And for shelling. But the tank itself might have a range of 7000 metres? Yet be vulnerable to a single enemy hidden in rubble, just 100m away. Obviously Chechnya 1 was a horror film for tanks.
    Doubtless Armata is vastly better than those tanks.

    And with lots of tiny drones flying all round the place perhaps those enemy soldiers wont be so safe...

    My post isn't meant as a criticism of Armata battle tanks, far from it. As I believe it to be truly cutting edge.
    I'm just wondering where it fits in vs enemy troops, tanks, choppers etc.

    It is OK to be critical... many people think the tank is dead because it is not invulnerable.

    One person once said if there is one weapon the enemy has that can penetrate this armoured vehicle you might as well send them in trucks.

    Of course making your troops vulnerable to any enemy weapon including pistols is naive.

    The better you can protect your troops the longer they will survive and the better they will be able to do their job. Having a powerful gun to support them makes them more effective but without protection the crew of that gun are vulnerable. Giving that crew heavy protection and a powerful gun and an engine to move around the battlefield means giving them a tank.

    Russia is giving its different forces four new tanks to choose from depending on their mission.


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    Re: Russian National Defense Strategy: Issues

    Post  kvs on Sat May 16, 2015 10:33 pm

    Are people planning for massive conventional war?

    If that is the case, then please purge from your minds that such a thing is possible these days without tactical and strategic
    nuclear weapons use. Then all those tank counts become rather meaningless.

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    Armata platform and the context of modern military tactical doctrine...

    Post  sepheronx on Sat May 16, 2015 10:35 pm

    kvs wrote:Are people planning for massive conventional war?

    If that is the case, then please purge from your minds that such a thing is possible these days without tactical and strategic
    nuclear weapons use.    Then all those tank counts become rather meaningless.


    The US is. And they are right at Russia's borders. It may be smart for Russia to increase the number and quality of their equipment. Not all will end up with tactical nukes. A game of attrition is also in plans, and Russia will lose if they do not have the number of equipment.

    Maybe they are holding out till Armata since they want 2000+ armata tanks (add the T-90 series on top of that).

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