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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:05 am

    When will Russia stop stepping on the same historical rake?
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    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:42 pm

    About 10,000 troops from SCO member states to take part in Peace Mission-2020 anti-terror drills in Russia

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:34 am

    When will Russia stop stepping on the same historical rake?

    Not really relevant any more... there is no future when any force can try to take Moscow because Russia would nuke any force powerful enough to get to Moscows gates, and any force not that powerful can be dealt with by the conventional Russian military which is developing and improving equipment, weapons and systems as well as tactics and training and support/logistics.

    Anyone trying to lay a rake in Russias path in the future will get shot in the face... because Russia walks with its eyes open these days.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:21 am

    GarryB wrote:
    When will Russia stop stepping on the same historical rake?

    Not really relevant any more... there is no future when any force can try to take Moscow because Russia would nuke any force powerful enough to get to Moscows gates, and any force not that powerful can be dealt with by the conventional Russian military which is developing and improving equipment, weapons and systems as well as tactics and training and support/logistics.

    Anyone trying to lay a rake in Russias path in the future will get shot in the face... because Russia walks with its eyes open these days.

    Yes, in addition, in case of large invasion force trying to get inside russian territory they could just use tactical nukes as soon as they cross the borders, and nobody could say anything because it wouldn't be nuking another nation...

    Even if probably they would not even need to do that

    Due to the complex and integrated air defence systems in Russia, an eventual enemy would have very low possibility to use their air force to support their army...

    And in addition there is enough artillery (even with long(ish) range), tactical ballistic missiles and front line aviation to make short work of any invading army, with limited loss of personnel and without using nukes...

    I am not sure about the retaliation, however... maybe it could be limited to some non nuclear IRBM, long range missiles to strategic objectives (e.g. airports, industry, military installations) inside the territory of the enemy countries and probably sinking their surface fleets...
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:50 am

    Russia won't EVER drop tactical/battlefield nukes on her own territory. If anyone is so stupid as to try to cross the Russian border with a large invasion force they will find their marshaling areas bathed in hard rads and rendered inhabitable for a few decades. Given that this is the predictable reaction, who would be doubly stupid to allow such a force to be assembled on their territory? Suspect

    Even the Poles aren't that stupid, though I think the Baltic flea-nation nationalists might just be that thick. Laughing
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:26 am

    Indeed, an invasion force massing on a Russian border might come up with all sorts of excuses like it is an exercise or whatever shit, but Russia will not ignore it and will move forces that could potentially counter such an invasion potential.... they will say they are exercising too, but ammo and supply will be real weapons and ammo rather than exercise... if the threatening force disperses and it really was just an exercise to test Russia then Russia could hold an impromptu exercise... a good test of mobilisation and reaction skills... if the threatening force does try to invade the staging areas and supply lines and the HQs that ordered the attack can be nuked to cut the body off the head of the snake so to speak...

    But there are no external military forces both unified and powerful enough, and also at the same time stupid enough for the job.

    Russia has mobility and fire power enough to blunt any invasion force no matter how many the enemy number... even a combined Indian and Chinese attempt to seize Siberia and its mineral and energy wealth with a 10 million man force would not survive long... the logistics needed to keep an army moving would be enormous and vulnerable and the force itself could be quickly nuked too... and neither country is interested in baiting the bear... it makes rather more sense to trade and earn money and buy resources you need like a good citizen of the world... it is the west that is used to taking what it wants so they are the real threat to everyone.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:52 am

    Logistics is a killer. It is NATzO that will have to extend its logistics chains in some hypothetical invasion. But there will not be
    one since any clustering of NATzO forces will be tactically nuked. It will not be like 1812 and there will not be any grand battles
    inside Russia. It will not be like 1941 either and no NATzO army will break through to close proximity of Moscow. The missile
    era has nullified all such battle-field dynamics. We have no example of modern warfare. None aside from maybe some computer
    simulations. All the wars around the world are primitive conventional ones even using WWII era equipment.

    Perhaps the EW aspect in the Donbass gave us a hint of an aspect of real modern warfare. The Ukr army was literally shut down
    with total disruption of internal communications on more than one occasion. But the Donbass is not even a real modern field of
    war. In the past armies had to come into close contact to obliterate each other. Even air power did not provide a total
    advantage unless the opponent was not equipped to response. During WWII air power was used mostly to kill civilians. In
    modern war the missiles will make the engagement non-local. The "front" blows up into vast regions. So no blitzkrieg and no
    safety anywhere with a radius of thousands of kilometers.

    The pathetically obsolete NATzO deployments in the Baltic flea statelets, tells me NATzO is either not prepared to fight Russia
    or is terminally deluded. Both are rather the same.

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    Post  kvs on Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:02 am

    BTW, I have an example of how impotent WWII air power actually was.    There is a major petrochemical facility in Saratov that
    was key for the Soviet army effort during WWII.   It was endlessly attacked by the German airforce and the surrounding residential
    areas were basically destroyed over time since the bomb scatter and failed bombing runs accumulated.   But the plant kept on operating.
    OK, today precision munitions would supposedly be way more effective.   But then just as during WWII, the anti-aircraft operation
    would do its job as well and frustrate any sustained air assault.

    But nuclear weapons make this a different problem.   Even one getting through and close enough will achieve the objective.  
    So no conventional, aka industrial, war is possible.   There will not be any safe zones on the planet where industry can operate
    to maintain a frontal war.   During WWII, the USA was a total safe haven and the USSR around the Urals and Siberia was one as
    well.   That is why factories could be moved there and could operate.    Nothing of the sort can happen in a modern war.   It is
    a 30 minute all or nothing conflict.  If you are timid, you lose.   So no way in hell is any side going to hold back and all the yapping
    by so-called pundits and politicians about limited nuclear war and preemptive strikes is drivel for the sheeple who cannot evaluate
    it for what it is.  

    I suspect that NATzO degenerates are actually thinking that they can frighten Russia into capitulation.   This is basically a prefect coup
    scenario that will never happen.   The retards and their game of chicken has a high potential of resulting in a full blown nuclear
    war since that is the only logical path.   Nobody fights total wars with self-restraint.   And NATzO ain't so mighty that Russia is
    afraid and will capitulate.

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