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    New Multipolar World

    Post  nightcrawler on Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:14 am

    Americans are used to being No.1 in nearly all the world's businesses and athletic endeavors. The foundation of that certainly began to erode in the 1970's, when much of America's manufacturing industry started to move overseas. Many U.S. companies wanted to cut costs, including high-priced manufacturing jobs. That contributed to the rise of the Japanese and, more recently, the Chinese economies

    As U.S. manufacturing eroded, so did other critical parts of society. American children are no longer the best educated in the world. America's health care system no longer produces the healthiest population. U.S. GDP no longer grows as quickly as it once did, particularly in the recoveries that follow recessions. China now has the fastest-growing large economy in the world. It has passed Japan into the No. 2 spot and economists are forecasting how long it will take to pass the U.S.

    America was known for the better part of the last century as the single greatest producer of food for the world. The country still leads in the production of many commodities, but improved farming practices and more advanced seed have allowed the yield per acres in countries like Russia, China Russia and Vietnam to rise.

    This is the 24/7 Wall St. analysis of "Ten Industries in Which the U.S. Is No Longer No.1." Whether this list will grow depends on how quickly the American economy improves and whether business innovation continues to increasingly come from overseas. America now fights to remain competitive globally with one hand tied behind its back. The current deficit, growing national debt, lack of government capital for R&D and unemployment all contribute to a crippled economy. Each of these makes it harder for the U.S. economy to regain the ground it has lost over the past few years.

    1. Autos

    Position: 2nd

    Leader: Japan, with 17 million autos produced by Japanese automakers in 2009

    U.S.: 12 million autos produced by American automakers in 2009

    U.S. auto manufacturing has long been considered not only one of our most critical industries, but is representative of American industrial power. The U.S. is the second largest manufacturer of cars and light vehicles after Japan, which is the headquarters of Toyota (NYSE: TM - News), Honda (NYSE: HMC - News), Nissan and Mazda. The American auto industry nearly collapsed in 2008 after years of extremely high labor costs and falling market share in domestic sales. GM (NYSE: GM - News) and Chrysler went through bankruptcy with extensive federal government support. Ford (NYSE: F - News) was strong enough to avoid having to ask for government handouts. The U.S. is not only the second largest manufacturer of cars; it is also the second largest car market by sales. China passed America in this metric in 2009. Japanese automakers made 17 million cars in 2009 compared to 12 million made by U.S. companies.

    2. Beer Production

    Position: 2nd

    Leader: China, with 423 million hectoliters in 2009

    U.S.: 229 hectoliters in 2009

    U.S. beer production in 2000 was the greatest in the world, generating 232 million hectoliters, versus second-place China's 220 million. In just nine years, the People's Republic has roughly doubled its production output to 423 million hectoliters. American output has actually decreased to 229 million. Per capita consumption in China is relatively low at less than half of the level in the U.S. However, China has a drinking population four times larger and has created an industrial capacity in the beer sector that has allowed the country to pull far ahead of the U.S.

    3. High-Technology Exports

    Position: 2nd

    Leader: China, $381 billion in 2008

    U.S.: $231 billion in 2008

    The World Bank describes high-technology exports as "products with high R&D intensity, such as in aerospace, computers, pharmaceuticals, scientific instruments, and electrical machinery." These are all fields in which the United States prides itself, and the U.S. remains in first place in the pharmaceutical industry. Despite this, China has beaten America in the high-technology exports since the World Bank began collecting data on the category in 2005. In 2008, Chinese high-technology exports were worth $381 billion and American exports were $231 billion. America's second place status shows no signs of changing. Between 2005 and 2008, Chinese high-tech exports increased 78%, relative to a mere 21% by the U.S. over the same time period.

    4. Commercial Aircraft Production
    Position: 2nd

    Leader: Airbus (Europe) based on 574 orders in 2010

    U.S.: Boeing, with 530 orders in 2010

    Through the 1970's, the United States had what was effectively a monopoly on large commercial aircraft production. The nature of the industry made it difficult for other companies to compete with the massive U.S.-based Boeing (NYSE: BA - News). The costs to create an aerospace manufacturing industry were prohibitive. In the 80's European air manufacturers began to compete through subsidies, particularly European-based Airbus, which was originally formed by France, Germany, Spain, and other investors. Rising demand for Airbus planes have propelled the European company past Boeing to become the largest commercial airplane manufacturer in the world. In 2010, Airbus was awarded more jetliner contracts than its American competitor. It appears the trend will continue this year, with Airbus securing a massive deal with IndiGo, the third-largest airline in India. It is the largest commercial aircraft sale in history.

    5. Coal Production

    Position: 2nd

    Leader: China, with 3.3 billion short tons produced in 2009

    U.S.: 1 billion short tons

    America is no longer the world's largest manufacturing economy nor is it the largest consumer of energy for manufacturing purposes. Coal production in America is now a distant second to China. According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, the U.S. produced just over a billion short tons of coal in 2009. China produced more than three times that amount — 3.3 billion — because of the exponential growth of the Chinese energy infrastructure in the last decade. Since 2005, American coal production has decreased slightly, while Chinese production has increased 34%. The two countries account for more than half of the world's total coal production.

    6. Lettuce Production

    Position: 2nd

    Leader: China, with 12.9 million metric tons

    U.S.: 4.1 million metric tons

    The population of China at 1.3 billion is more than four times that of the United States. Food consumption is obviously significantly higher as well. Partially because of large federal subsidies, the United States remains #1 in corn and soybean production. Chinese demand has caused domestic production of many crops to move well ahead of that of the U.S. For example, Chinese lettuce production was nearly 13 million metric tons in 2009, while U.S. production was closer to 4 million, according to the United Nations.

    7. Oil Production
    Position: 3rd

    Leader: Russia, with 9.7 million barrels produced each day.

    U.S.: 9 million barrels produced each day

    The United States produces the third most oil per day, at just over nine million barrels. The two leaders are Russia, at 10 million barrels per day, and Saudi Arabia, at 9.7 million barrels per day. Despite its current position in production, the U.S. is only 14th in proved reserves, with 19 billion barrels available relative to Saudi Arabia's 264 billion barrels. The U.S. is now the second-largest importer of crude and continued to deplete its reserves to try to be less dependent on foreign crude.

    8. Rice Production

    Position: 11th

    Leader: China, with 166 million metric tons produced between 2009 and 2010

    U.S.: 6.9 million metric tons

    U.S. rice production is not even in the top 10 compared to the rest of the world, and accounts for just over 1% of the world's total. Because of reduced demand, this country is actually the third leading rice exporter with 18% of the world market. About 20% of U.S. rice production is exported. China produces 20 times more rice than the U.S.

    9. Wind Energy Generated

    Position: 2nd

    Leader: China, with 42 gigawatts generated in 2010

    U.S.: 40 gigawatts in 2010

    While some chastise the United States for failure to implement alternative energy sources and complain about our dependence on fossil fuels, the country is nevertheless, for the moment, leading the globe in alternative energy capacity. According to a recent Pew study, the U.S. beat out China's total alternative energy capacity in 2009, 53.4 gigawatts to 52.5 gigawatts. China's renewable energy infrastructure has increased, however, and might have surpassed the U.S. in 2010. What is certain is that China beat out the U.S. in wind generation. In 2010, American wind energy capacity was at 40 gigawatts, while Chinese generation was nearly 42 gigawatts.

    10. Pork Production

    Position: 2nd

    Leader: China, with 51.5 million metric tons produced in 2010

    U.S.: 10.2 million metric tons produced in 2010

    The United States leads the world in production for most of the agricultural commodities and has the strongest demand for them as well. For example, the U.S. continues to produce the most beef and veal, beating out Brazil and China in consumption as well. However, pork demand in the United States, while the second-greatest in the world, is less than a fifth of that in China. Chinese farms produced 51.5 million metric tons of pork last year, compared to 10.2 million in the U.S.

    10-industries-in-which-the-us-is-no-longer-no-1: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance

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    World Economic News and Discussion

    Post  nemrod on Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:27 am

    http://rt.com/business/russia-gdp-5th-largest-158/
    Indeed, if you compare with US declining dollar, you have this rating. However, if you compare with gold, and intrinsic wealth, China topple USA.
    Around 2020, we expected that  1 China, 2 USA, 3 India, 4 Russia, 5 Brasil.
    Far from the -US- world bank rating.
    This new rating will imply many things, at first, the US military budget collapsing, meanwhile, Russia will be the main world power.




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    Rank
    Country
    Purchasing Power Parity
    1
    United States
    $15.6 trillion

    2
    China
    $12.4 trillion

    3
    India
    $4.8 trillion
    4
    Japan
    $4.5 trillion
    5
    Russia
    $3.4 trillion

    6
    Germany
    $3.3 trillion
    7
    Brazil
    $2.4 trillion
    8
    France
    $2.4 trillion
    9
    United Kingdom
    $2.3 trillion
    10
    Mexico
    $2.0 trillion

    The report was published last week in an annual ranking of GDP.

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    Re: World Economic News and Discussion

    Post  NickM on Fri Jul 19, 2013 7:37 pm

    Purchasing Power Parity is a faulty measurement method . No way the UK can come below India and China .

    You need to compare GDP figures and per capita income . That is more accurate .

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    Re: World Economic News and Discussion

    Post  ahmedfire on Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:55 am

    NickM wrote:Purchasing Power Parity is a faulty measurement method . No way the UK can come below India and China .

    You need to compare GDP figures and per capita income . That is more accurate .

    China
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html

    UK
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/uk.html

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    Shift of world power : Russia breaks into top 5 world economies, topple Germany

    Post  TR1 on Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:16 am

    NickM wrote:Purchasing Power Parity is a faulty measurement method . No way the UK can come below India and China .

    You need to compare GDP figures and per capita income . That is more accurate .

    Well India seems to be able to afford a bigger AF than the UK, already.
    Much bigger vehicle force too.

    Catching up on other fronts too.

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    A writing about the U.S., the BRICS, and their allies

    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:30 am

    This is a writing in a certain blog about U.S. and other countries's economy. The original text is not in English. And I am not good in English, so... sorry if my translation is not good.

    If you think this writing is wrong, feel free to criticize.

    Some said that the author is telling the truth. Some said that this is propaganda.

    After all the writing is not mine tongue  tongue  tongue and after all any constructive comments is beneficial.

    Thanks for everything. And I am sorry if I did not put the topic in the correct place.

    I have said many times. China's industry and international commercial have exceeded the U.S. for many times. U.S. GDP is high but much of the value is artificial and unreal. Today, people rose sanctions against each other, therefore the true GDP is being exposed.

    Housing

    The truth of U.S. GDP is that, American people have to pay half of their income for home and dwelling. In the U.S. people built private home in private land. Cities like New York are in fact ancient and gigantic villages with 200km diameter. The skycrapers are rented house, either for offices, or for the temporal dwelling for homeless people. In order words, if you are sleeping in a skycraper, you are either homeless or a traveller.

    In the U.S. people have to purchase private land due to the threats of inflation and economic bubble. Therefore, they have to build their own home. Build by pure hands.

    Meanwhile, in Europe, Russia, China, Japan, HongKong... there are a lot of apartments. Skycraping apartments. Building and construction is highly mechandized.

    We need to know that, price and expense for house are very expensive in the U.S. These cost are a part of so-called GDP. There is also cost of healthcare, communication services. Each household need 2 automobile because they need to travel in very large distance. Children need to use the school bus because they cannot go to school by public bus. All these need money, and these cost is a part of GDP.

    In conclusion, the real GDP of America is only a half compare to the statistic number. This true GDP is compatible with the rate of U.S. foreign trade and industry in this Earth.

    Energy and fuel

    Due to the gigantic villages like New York with few people, due to the massive number of cars and cars have to travel in far distance... and etc and etc, each year the U.S. consumed 1 billion tons of oil and natural gas. This country's fuel consumption is equal to the sum of Germany, Russia, Japan and China. Meanwhile, the real U.S. GDP calculated by whatever means is pathetically far far less than EU, and U.S. industry is not as good as China.

    That is the reason why we have a bullshit named 2008.

    Heating and pollution

    Bullshit, in my country there is a great number of people who sincerely believe that the U.S. is not as polluted as China.

    Okay, in the U.S. we have a number of gigantic ancient village, like New York, with few people and therefore you can't see pollution of 1 billion of fuel. Okay, in Japan (before 1991), China, India, there is a lot of heavily polluted cities. But these are big cities with very dense population living in f*cking skycrapers. That is the reason of the pollution in the cities. They do not spread the f*cking 1 billion of fuel into gigantic ancient villages to "reduce" the pollution.

    In the long term, when the growth in these cities becomes stagnated like in Japan for the last 2 decades, people will restructure the cities. For example, transfer the factories to far far away, build more metros and electric trains, more skycraping apartments, more local shops, marts and schools for the local people... Meanwhile the U.S. is going backward therefore the so-called cities are more "pure".

    In addition, in EU, people rarelly use coal or oil to burn for heater. Instead, they use an extensive system of hot water conduct. The heat is delivered from the power plants. Yes, the powerplant generated 2kw heat for each of 1kw electrict, people can use that copious heat to do other things and to sell to the people. When there is not enough heat, people use the waste oil of oil industry to burn for heat.

    All these burning are done in the suburban, far away from the population center. And the hot water is pumped into the whole city. Therefore, in Russia and Germany, people can warm up a large portion of the cities, even the pedestrian, with low cost.

    Meanwhile in the U.S., people use heating oil. They can't use coal because you cannot burn too much coal in the residental area. And since the population in so-called cities is too sparse, the waste in heat reaches an unacceptable level.

    Need to know that in 2014, heating oil is 1 USD/litre (http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pri_wfr_dcus_nus_w.htm ) i.e. about 1000 USD/ton. Coal is about 40-60 USD/ton http://www.eia.gov/coal/news_markets/, means that the U.S. use the fuel which is 10-20 times more expensive than EU. Furthermore, the family heater is not as effective as large-scale heating system, the U.S. citizens need to use many times more energy than the EU citizens.

    Russians only sell oil when the price rise and they rarely use coil due to the cost in exploiting. Meanwhile, the U.S. used to massively drain its oil, and then the oil was drained, and then when people had new techs they continued to massively drain their oil.

    Creating GDP by jerking off

    Oh yeah, building dwellers by hand "generates" more GDP than building by machines.

    Basically you can see that when unemployment rises high, people stroking each others to create GDP. Each they she fuck him foe 1 bil. USD, and he fuck her for 1 bil. USD, therefore the couple have the income of 2 bil. USD. Yes they create GDP, f*cking artificial GDP, but where is their real income ?

    In agriculture when subsidize makes up of 50% selling price, things are a bit different. This is the basis electoral votes in EU, U.S. and Japan. I fuck you and create subsidize, you fuck me and create subsidize. And when unemployment rises high, we strokes each other and generates high GDP.

    Not only in agriculture, for the last 6 years FED has provided loans to political feeders such as Boeing, GM... with negative interest.

    Deflation and double

    I know that printing more USD is not good for the future, but in short time it still generates income by pickpocketing the ones who have USD in the whole Earth. However, the ones who suffer the most are American poor people, people who have no stocks, no gold, no valuable propeties, no land. The goverment steals money and blood from these miserables to feed the f*cking parasities of the society.

    Do you remember the second period of economic crisis named 1935-1939 ? That crisis could only be solved by the bloody period of 1939-1945. This is the rule. The reason of Great Depression of 1929-1933 is that imperialism and monopoly capitalism prevented free market and free trade, therefore high tech goods could not circulate and the market was filled with craps and shits. But the people did not fix that problem, instead they made it become more severe by closing the doors in the colonies, and stopping the flow of commodities fro Germany and Eastern Europe. In 1933-36, the West's economy rebounce, but in 1936-39 they suffered a double crisis and had no way out.

    (I don't understand. What was happening in 1936-1939 ? Which depression ? Which crisis ? The only things in know is that in 1936-1939 there was a great expansion of Nazi Germany and the West gradually backstabbed their own allies in Eastern Europe. I do not know any double crisis or depression.)

    A the moment... deflation is everywhere in the West. Workers have a pathetic low wage of $1500. Goods cannot be sold. The West blah blah about sanction this and embargo that, but they have to eat the f*cking leftover food from the BRICS. For example, U.S. workers can live with the pathetic wage because there are cheap Chinese and Indian goods. The U.S. has oil because they receive Russian half-submerged derrick technology. U.S. Armed Forces operate sattelies by Russian rockets, etc etc.

    Econimic strikes

    In 2007, China sold out dollars, value of dollar decreased, followed by the bubbles of gold and oil. That killed the U.S. in 2008. BRICS had to accumulate the USD because they had trade surplus. And China periodically punched the U.S. like in 2007. And the U.S. was successively K-Oed.

    Today, Russian economy still rises about 1-2%, disregard of 120 bil. USD of bubble funds get out of Russia (equal to 4% of Russian GDP). Russian industry still rise 5-6% this years. The West only grew 2-3% in their best years, and today they have a negative grow.

    Russia has sold almost of its USD. BRICS has fully prepared for another economic strike similar to 2007. And if the U.S. still lives after that, then BRICS will keep accumulating USD, and then sanctions, and then economic strike.

    Natural resources and influence

    Oh yes, the bullshit mad dogs still blabber: "America is still the biggest economy in this world according to the most common, verified and useful calculation. PPP is not the real number, especially for developing countries. Their economy has been exxaggerated because we have ignored the authority over natural resoucre and influences over global economy".

    F*cking bullshit.

    The U.S. has lost all of the oil fields in Africa. Nigeria fell under the influence of China. Lybia is in crisis but after things are settled China will be back. Iran and U.S. hate each others and Iran shakes hands with India. Another biggest oil fields are under possession of Vezezuela, Brazil, Argentina, Russia.

    The U.S. has used up its uranium since 198x. Russia and Kazakhstan are still happy with their uranium. Japan and Germany have begun to close the nuclear power plants. In 2030 the world will kill each others because of uranium, meanwhile Russia will be still happy. And today only Russia knows how to use 99% u238 in natural uranium, when the u235 has been used up.

    Africa, Russia, South Africa, South America have the biggest mineral mines in this world. Russia and China have the biggest coal mine in this world.

    And the scums still stroke each others.

    Foreign trade and influence

    For long China's foreign trade has exceeded the U.S. No matter how evil China is and how the U.S. strokes itself, fact is fact. Things will be much more terrible when you are being embargoed by China and BRICS than by U.S. or G7.

    The number of USD is increased, and for each unit of USD, China gains more influence upon the world. Because Chinese goods are cheap, you can buy more Chinese goods per each USD unit, and therefore Chinese goods have more influence over your life.

    And China, Russia, India, Brazil and South Africa is growing with the speed that even Western Europe cannot fathom. Sanctions from BRICS have more and more power.

    The more high techs, nuclear power, aerospace, bla bla, the better competition capability that BRCIS has. Cutting ties with BRICS has more and more negative effect.

    Know what, NASA scientists are using Russia's Soyuz.

    This is the future of our glorious west.

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    Re: World Economic News and Discussion

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:36 pm

    Aggree with him.
    US is not the biggest economy and alone the fact that it grants itself the monopoly of currency and economy rating agencies that are under FED control tells you everything you have to know.
    The US has literally no economy worth for anyone but the banks, MIC, pharma industries and energy sector that's it. No resources except looting and burning, no production worth to mention which is also in hands of China and Russia when they refuse to sell metalurgy products.

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    Re: World Economic News and Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:18 am

    (I don't understand. What was happening in 1936-1939 ? Which depression ? Which crisis ? The only things in know is that in 1936-1939 there was a great expansion of Nazi Germany and the West gradually backstabbed their own allies in Eastern Europe. I do not know any double crisis or depression.)

    In the west in the 1930s there was a huge economic depression....

    ie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression


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    Re: World Economic News and Discussion

    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:13 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    (I don't understand. What was happening in 1936-1939 ? Which depression ? Which crisis ? The only things in know is that in 1936-1939 there was a great expansion of Nazi Germany and the West gradually backstabbed their own allies in Eastern Europe. I do not know any double crisis or depression.)

    In the west in the 1930s there was a huge economic depression....

    ie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression

    I know about the Great Depression, but as far as I know, countries started to more or less get out of the economic crisis in the mid of 193x, by dumping all the shits into the colonies (U.K., France) or by established a facist regime and ate other weak preys (Germany, Italia, Japan) or by having a man named Franklin Roosevelt (U.S.).

    I do not know about a "second depression" in 1936-1939.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:42 am

    I do not know about a "second depression" in 1936-1939.

    Not really a second depression... more accurately the depression lasted longer or hit later in some countries than others.

    Hitlers rebuilding of his military force led to recovery of the economy faster for example.


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    Re: World Economic News and Discussion

    Post  Mike E on Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:53 am

    GarryB wrote:
    I do not know about a "second depression" in 1936-1939.

    Not really a second depression... more accurately the depression lasted longer or hit later in some countries than others.

    Hitlers rebuilding of his military force led to recovery of the economy faster for example.
    That is really when the depression was beginning to end... So it was more of a recovery-from-depression-recession more than anything else. 

    Same with the US...

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    Re: World Economic News and Discussion

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:28 am

    @Garry, Mike: thank you.

    Another article, same author, same point of view, similar topic.

    Again, feel free to like or dislike it.

    According to the new rules of the EU, Germany had to add the income of prostitution, drug smuggling, arms trafficking, and other criminal operations into national GDP.

    Thanks to that, GDP growth of Germany "increased" from below 1% to over 3%. Other countries in EU also have the growth rate increased to 2-3%.(Statistisches Bundesamt)

    Wow, so the civilized EU have started to jerking off, too, like Washington DC. Like boss, like servants.

    This is the most disaster disease in the world. Today, the BRICS pays a large contribution in pushing the world foward, so that the goverments outside of BRICS can be corrupted and can have an feeble economy in a very convenient way. For example, U.S. workers received an average salary of $1500, pathetically low compared to the pre-crisis standard, but they can still live thanks to the cheap commodities from BRICS.

    The mad dogs and fifth column continue to bark. The boof woof bow wow that if Russia is still naughty, the West will increase and prolong the sanctions.

    Ha ha ha. Hey, look, look at the ISS. Who made it ? Now, dare to embargo Russia ?

    This year, Russian industry continues to grow 2%, disregard of the 120 billion USD of short-time fund has escaped out of Russia due to the boof woof bow wow campaign. Actually, that is a good thing because it will prevent the formation of economic bubble inside Russia. Moskva needs to get rid of the harmful bubbles who make up the large portion of short-term investment.

    You can see that Russian industry still grows 2% + 120 bil. = 4-5% this year. Western Europe cannot fathom such growth even in its old golden era. Meanwhile, China and India also have a hotter growth of 6-7%.

    Meanwhile, the U.S. although manage to receive back these 120 bil., still have a negative growth. Obama claimed that in the second quarter the U.S. grow 1.7%. But that 1.7% was created by further magnifying the loss in 1st quarter as compensation. 1st quarter became more negative so that 2nd one can has 1.7% growth and Obama can masturbate about that.

    Germany in 2nd quarter is a bit negative. Some other EU countries such as UK have a bit positive growth. But the situation is quite dark for all.

    Not long ago Italian Prime Minister claimed that this country has suffered a reccession.

    But the dogs and fifth columns continue to bow wow woof woof: EU will not suffer a reccession.

    F*cking bullshit.

    Ok, if you are good, why don't increase the sanction against Russia ? Come on. You people always blabbers about this and that such as Russian supermarket is suffering a shortage of commodities, and some importing companies of Russia will be bankrupted, bla bla bla...

    You are stupid dogs.

    Sorry but you people do not have cheap labour like the f*cking China, and you are embroidering a fake image of competitiveness of EU agriculture goods. F*ck it, Moskva just made a light blow and Germany already cannot have enough money to pay for harvesting workers in apple plantations.

    So amusing. Countries who are suffering from reccession and protests are trying to impose sanction on fast-growing countries.

    EU will never recover that loss of 16 billions in revenue. It has pernamently come to China and India. EU agriculture commodities are losing their attractiveness, and reduced revenue in somewhere is equal to pernament loss.

    This is the era of swindling. We all see that the U.S. does not have more than dozens of H-bombs but spends a maintenance cost of much much bigger than that for several reasons. And there are the projects of f*cking superman aircraft or aerospace submarines.

    Obama's level of trust is only 30%. He has to jerk off and stroke the public about minor achievements so that they can temporary forget about the dark picture of economy.

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    Re: World Economic News and Discussion

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:51 pm

    Funny thing is, there are US manufacturers who make decent goods at reasonable prices. Has anyome ever seen Blu products? Mike, you live close to the manufacturer I think. I purchased a smartphone off of them for $130 and it is a pretty solid product. Not a awesome display or camera. But it does what it is supposed to at a reasonable price. Hence why I believe US does have a chance to become a manufacturer once again.

    But the article is right. In the end, what does US make that warrants it to be so rich according to their FED? They manufacture cars, heavy industrial equipment, pharma, robotics, etc. But guess what? So does Russia and China. China builds even more than that. When it comes to physical end product, China wins hands down. In US, they would have to scramble to move production either back home or abroad elsewhere. And I am thinking China is going to start doing that. They are already opening up manufacturing in Russia in various fields. Eventually they will move it to Africa. Once they do that, US will lose their grip on having control of world economy and trade.

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    Re: World Economic News and Discussion

    Post  Mike E on Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:23 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Funny thing is, there are US manufacturers who make decent goods at reasonable prices. Has anyome ever seen Blu products? Mike, you live close to the manufacturer I think. I purchased a smartphone off of them for $130 and it is a pretty solid product. Not a awesome display or camera. But it does what it is supposed to at a reasonable price. Hence why I believe US does have a chance to become a manufacturer once again.

    But the article is right. In the end, what does US make that warrants it to be so rich according to their FED? They manufacture cars, heavy industrial equipment, pharma, robotics, etc. But guess what? So does Russia and China. China builds even more than that. When it comes to physical end product, China wins hands down. In US, they would have to scramble to move production either back home or abroad elsewhere. And I am thinking China is going to start doing that. They are already opening up manufacturing in Russia in various fields. Eventually they will move it to Africa. Once they do that, US will lose their grip on having control of world economy and trade.
    Lol, they are at the opposite side of the country in Florida... They seem to produce some nice devices, and like you said, they are a really great value compared to their competitors. The Pure XL made by them is pretty high-end, so they cover all the mobile phone markets basically. - At least I live close to their CPU supplier Qualcomm... - BLU doesn't make devices in the US....

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    Re: World Economic News and Discussion

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:52 pm

    The devices, even processors are Chinese. Qualcomm is made in China (designed in US). I thought they were in Calitornia though so I was wrong by them being close to you. I think their bezels are made in US though. But regardless, Pure Life XL is a far better buy than iPhone or newer samsungs.

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    Re: World Economic News and Discussion

    Post  Mike E on Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:29 pm

    sepheronx wrote:The devices, even processors are Chinese. Qualcomm is made in China (designed in US). I thought they were in Calitornia though so I was wrong by them being close to you. I think their bezels are made in US though. But regardless, Pure Life XL is a far better buy than iPhone or newer samsungs.
    Yep, basically every mobile device is... For a while (and currently I believe) Motorola was building devices in Texas, but they are moving manufacturing to China now that Lenovo is acquiring them. The Life XL does look like a great device, but I'm the kind of person who goes "full Android" as in HTC or Moto etc. I'm considering buying the new Nexus 6, but I'll have to wait it out...

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    Re: World Economic News and Discussion

    Post  TR1 on Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:05 pm

    I am getting a Nexus 6 myself. When is the release date?

    I have held out this long with a dumb phone, so it with some sadness that I give in to these damn mini computers.

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    Re: World Economic News and Discussion

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:06 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:The devices, even processors are Chinese. Qualcomm is made in China (designed in US). I thought they were in Calitornia though so I was wrong by them being close to you. I think their bezels are made in US though. But regardless, Pure Life XL is a far better buy than iPhone or newer samsungs.
    Yep, basically every mobile device is... For a while (and currently I believe) Motorola was building devices in Texas, but they are moving manufacturing to China now that Lenovo is acquiring them. The Life XL does look like a great device, but I'm the kind of person who goes "full Android" as in HTC or Moto etc. I'm considering buying the new Nexus 6, but I'll have to wait it out...

    For what I get, too expensive.  The Life XL has everything (since it is android anyway but with a custom theme) and a 12mp camera?  1080p display?  $400?  Heck yeah I am gonna buy.

    You know what Motorola did that was impressive?  For their smartphones, they used, instead of 4 core processor, they used 4 separate single core ARM processors that it becomes much easier to program for.  Now that is impressive (simple but much better/easier to program for).  Making it faster practically rather than theoretically.

    TR1 wrote:I am getting a Nexus 6 myself. When is the release date?

    I have held out this long with a dumb phone, so it with some sadness that I give in to these damn mini computers.

    Mid November but are taking pre-orders today for it. So if you got the $, might I suggest order it today? So that at least it can arrive at your door on release date. But that is North America release date. I have no idea about Russian release date. But it is impressive looking.

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    Re: World Economic News and Discussion

    Post  Mike E on Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:08 pm

    TR1 wrote:I am getting a Nexus 6 myself. When is the release date?

    I have held out this long with a dumb phone, so it with some sadness that I give in to these damn mini computers.
    November 3rd on Google Play, but it *can* depend on the country you are in. - You can pre-order it later this month.

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    Re: World Economic News and Discussion

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:11 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    TR1 wrote:I am getting a Nexus 6 myself. When is the release date?

    I have held out this long with a dumb phone, so it with some sadness that I give in to these damn mini computers.
    November 3rd on Google Play, but it *can* depend on the country you are in. - You can pre-order it later this month.

    Today is order day! I last read mid November is to be expected by early november may be the case.

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    Post  TR1 on Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:13 pm

    I'm ordering from Oregon, USA right now.

    Was hoping I could just go to the store and buy it soon, thanks for the heads up. Not too amped about the price (I am month-to-month with T-mobile, so it is pretty much full cost lol) but the phone looks good for long time use (I am not someone who replaces something every year, plus I need something to replace my good old video Ipod that was stolen) and at least I am not going Apple.

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    Re: World Economic News and Discussion

    Post  Mike E on Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:14 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:The devices, even processors are Chinese. Qualcomm is made in China (designed in US). I thought they were in Calitornia though so I was wrong by them being close to you. I think their bezels are made in US though. But regardless, Pure Life XL is a far better buy than iPhone or newer samsungs.
    Yep, basically every mobile device is... For a while (and currently I believe) Motorola was building devices in Texas, but they are moving manufacturing to China now that Lenovo is acquiring them. The Life XL does look like a great device, but I'm the kind of person who goes "full Android" as in HTC or Moto etc. I'm considering buying the new Nexus 6, but I'll have to wait it out...

    For what I get, too expensive.  The Life XL has everything (since it is android anyway but with a custom theme) and a 12mp camera?  1080p display?  $400?  Heck yeah I am gonna buy.

    You know what Motorola did that was impressive?  For their smartphones, they used, instead of 4 core processor, they used 4 separate single core ARM processors that it becomes much easier to program for.  Now that is impressive (simple but much better/easier to program for).  Making it faster practically rather than theoretically.
    It is roughly equivalent to the Nexus 5, which can be bought for cheaper... Life *Pure* XL has a 16 megapixel unit, but I have no clue how good it will be. Either way it is a great phone, it just depends on who is going to be the one to buy it...

    Are you talking about the last-gen Moto X's "special processing unit" (whatever it was called). Where it had a dual-core cpu and no extra chips for different functions? It was a great idea, but the current-gen chip blows it away.

     - Today is? I've only heard October 29th... Play devices says the 29th as well.

     - TR1, you're in Oregon? Gosh, I hate that state to the point of death. Drove through 97 and almost fell asleep due to boredom!

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    Re: World Economic News and Discussion

    Post  Mike E on Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:36 pm

    Here you go... 

    Anyway, as we've completely trashed this thread with mobile talk, one of us should start a mobile thread in the general section...

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    Re: World Economic News and Discussion

    Post  TR1 on Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:37 pm

    Portland is a phenomenal city.

    The rest of Oregon is pretty but there is absolutely nothing to do there.

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    Post  Mike E on Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:40 pm

    TR1 wrote:Portland is a phenomenal city.

    The rest of Oregon is pretty but there is absolutely nothing to do there.
    Is that where you live? Portland is great (the coastal areas of Oregon are) but the inland areas like Bend are cringe-worthy. Take a 15 hr from the Bay Area to Spokane via Route 97 and you'll know what I mean. 

    Northeastern counties are the worst, but at least the southern counties are great and have the Cascades to view... I was going to see Crater Lake, but I couldn't convince my riders.

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