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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  TR1 on Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:03 am

    GarryB wrote:Pump jets are high maintainence.... but with it being the only pumpjet Kilo then they might include regular inspections too just to check on wear and tear for future pump jet designs.

    Not just pump jet: http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=425942&download=2&type=.jpg

    Recent pic. IDK what is going on, but Alrosa sure needs many doctors visits....

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:47 am

    They might be using it as a test vessel for other new technologies, which would require regular visits to specialists and more visits to test things are OK etc.


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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  Stealthflanker on Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:57 am

    So how many kilo components are made in Ukraine ?

    Got weird news (In Indonesian) from RBTH (Russia Beyond The Headlines) That over 70% parts of kilo are Ukraine made.

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  kvs on Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:02 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:So how many kilo components are made in Ukraine ?

    Got weird news (In Indonesian) from RBTH (Russia Beyond The Headlines) That over 70% parts of kilo are Ukraine made.

    That information is bizarre. It is physically impossible for 70% to be made in Ukraine since the submarines were never manufactured
    there and they are built by the same plant that made them in the past (but with upgraded manufacturing equipment). There is
    also nothing pertaining to the electronics and other equipment (e.g. sonar) that would have such a fraction of Ukrainian equipment.

    http://news.rin.ru/eng/news/54366/

    Looks like they have sourced all of the Ukrainian components from elsewhere.

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:49 am

    Sounds like they sourced their information from the west or the Ukraine....


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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:00 am

    Kilos are 100% Russian these days.

    The few Ukraine-made components were recently substituted to domestic ones.

    There was a recent article about that, can't find it now.

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:49 am

    The third in series Project 636.3 submarines for Black Sea Fleet - "Stary Oskol" - started factory sea trials

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  George1 on Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:56 am

    Submarine B-227 "Vyborg" back in the ranks of the Baltic Fleet

    According to the newspaper "The Guardian of the Baltic" submarine B-227 "Vyborg" [Project 877] relocated from Kronstadt to the Baltic and take up the challenge of combat training.

    Submarine "Vyborg" was in need of repair since 2007. However, the limited amount of financing state armaments program did not allow the Defense Ministry to begin funding the work on submarines before 2011.

    In 2011, the Kronstadt Naval plant started to work on a submarine "Vyborg". May 15, 2013 the submarine was launched from the dock "Memory 3 destroyers" and moored at the quay of the plant for outfitting works.

    Next mooring trials - from January to July 2014. Factory sea trials the submarine was launched in August 2014. After the address the identified observations in September 2014 the ship out to sea. Commissioning team and the crew of the submarine is fully completed the program and passed factory tests Navy.

    On Friday, October 24, 2014, on the pier in the harbor of Kronstadt Merchant solemn ceremony of signing the Act of Handover diesel-electric submarine "Vyborg" Navy Russia.

    The service life of the submarine, built in 1983, was extended until the end of 2017.

    Submarine B-227 was built for the Soviet Navy in 1982 in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. In 1985 he was transferred to the Baltic.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1260256.html

    I cant understand why a ship is docked for modernization for 7 years and when it comes out it will serve only for 2-2,5 years. Whats the point?

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  TR1 on Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:19 am

    George1 wrote:Submarine B-227 "Vyborg" back in the ranks of the Baltic Fleet

    According to the newspaper "The Guardian of the Baltic" submarine B-227 "Vyborg" [Project 877] relocated from Kronstadt to the Baltic and take up the challenge of combat training.

    Submarine "Vyborg" was in need of repair since 2007. However, the limited amount of financing state armaments program did not allow the Defense Ministry to begin funding the work on submarines before 2011.

    In 2011, the Kronstadt Naval plant started to work on a submarine "Vyborg". May 15, 2013 the submarine was launched from the dock "Memory 3 destroyers" and moored at the quay of the plant for outfitting works.

    Next mooring trials - from January to July 2014. Factory sea trials the submarine was launched in August 2014. After the address the identified observations in September 2014 the ship out to sea. Commissioning team and the crew of the submarine is fully completed the program and passed factory tests Navy.

    On Friday, October 24, 2014, on the pier in the harbor of Kronstadt Merchant solemn ceremony of signing the Act of Handover diesel-electric submarine "Vyborg" Navy Russia.

    The service life of the submarine, built in 1983, was extended until the end of 2017.

    Submarine B-227 was built for the Soviet Navy in 1982 in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. In 1985 he was transferred to the Baltic.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1260256.html

    I cant understand why a ship is docked for modernization for 7 years and when it comes out it will serve only for 2-2,5 years. Whats the point?

    Simple. No funds to repair it back then.

    Now they finally repaired it, and it can serve out the rest of its life until replaced by something more modern.

    If the ship has life it can get another dock-repair in 2017 and serve for another 2-3 years after.

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  Viktor on Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:21 pm

    15 more days Very Happy thumbsup

    Fourth "Varshavyanka" for the Black Sea Fleet was launched on April 25

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  victor1985 on Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:58 pm

    A submarine or ship can carry enough equipment to burn enemy radar from 1000 km

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  George1 on Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:20 am

    Submarine "Rostov-on-Don" came to the Northern Fleet for final tests

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  Viktor on Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:02 am

    And its a go ! thumbsup

    Fourth submarine project "Varshavyanka" was launched in St. Petersburg

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  zg18 on Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:40 pm

    Viktor wrote:And its a go !  thumbsup

    Fourth submarine project "Varshavyanka" was launched in St. Petersburg

    And video thumbsup


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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  max steel on Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:24 pm

    I know little about military affairs but a naval man with whom I got briefly acquainted once told me the US went seriously wrong when it went for an all-nuclear submarine force. Conventional submarines are inherently much quieter and stealthier than nuclear submarines and they are now solving the problems of endurance that worked against them before. The Kilo class (which is what these submarines are) were a revolution when they first appeared in the 1980s and they have got progressively better. The coming generation of submarines that use a closed cycle system are going to be better still.

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  GarryB on Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:33 am

    Conventional subs are also dramatically cheaper.

    With AIP and Lithium Ion batteries the only thing a conventional diesel electric sub will lack in the near future compared with a nuke is the high top speed.

    they are easier to sell on the international market and are perfectly adequate in shallow waters where big nuke subs lack manouver capability.


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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  max steel on Mon Apr 27, 2015 1:28 pm

    DURING WAR THOSE NUKE SUBS WOULD BE USED TO FIRE SLBMs SO THEY don't need high maneuverability . Isn't it ?

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:29 am

    Not being able to manouver properly in shallow waters could mean hitting a reef or getting stuck on a rock ledge, and in some cases not being able to defend yourself from external threats... very simply if you handle like a barge there are places you simply wont take your boat for fear of getting stuck or sunk.

    Being able to attack from such places and then retreat to the relative safety of such places can be very useful some times.

    Such things are irrelevant to SSBNs which will never get anywhere near enemy waters.


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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  TR1 on Fri May 01, 2015 9:58 pm

    Viktor wrote:And its a go !  thumbsup

    Fourth submarine project "Varshavyanka" was launched in St. Petersburg

    Actually proper construction rates.

    The series so far, time from being laid down to launch:

    B-261 - 39 months

    B-237 - 31 months

    B-262 - 24 months

    B-265 - 14 months


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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  GarryB on Sat May 02, 2015 12:57 pm

    Actually proper construction rates.

    The series so far, time from being laid down to launch:

    B-261 - 39 months

    B-237 - 31 months

    B-262 - 24 months

    B-265 - 14 months

    So what you are saying is that production of the first vessel is not necessarily an indication of how long later vessels will take unless there are some fundamental design changes needed for the second or later boats?


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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  George1 on Sat May 02, 2015 1:07 pm

    i think more important than time of construction is that Imp Kilo class submarines to be transferred to Black sea fleet

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  TR1 on Sat May 02, 2015 8:22 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Actually proper construction rates.

    The series so far, time from being laid down to launch:

    B-261 - 39 months

    B-237 - 31 months

    B-262 - 24 months

    B-265 - 14 months

    So what you are saying is that production of the first vessel is not necessarily an indication of how long later vessels will take unless there are some fundamental design changes needed for the second or later boats?

    As long as we are talking about something as well mastered by the industry as the Kilo, sure.

    Hoping for the same magic with larger nuclear boats, well........Smile

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    Post  TheArmenian on Sat May 02, 2015 10:23 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    Actually proper construction rates.

    The series so far, time from being laid down to launch:

    B-261 - 39 months

    B-237 - 31 months

    B-262 - 24 months

    B-265 - 14 months

    So what you are saying is that production of the first vessel is not necessarily an indication of how long later vessels will take unless there are some fundamental design changes needed for the second or later boats?

    As long as we are talking about something as well mastered by the industry as the Kilo, sure.

    Hoping for the same magic with larger nuclear boats, well........Smile

    Yeah, yeah. We know your style: you always stay conservative, safe and somewhat pessimistic about construction rates. If delays and slowness happens, then you say "I told you so" if things go faster, you say "I am pleased with what I see".
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  TR1 on Sat May 02, 2015 10:32 pm

    I never doubted Admiralty's ability to make Kilos quickly.

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat May 02, 2015 10:39 pm

    TR1 wrote:I never doubted Admiralty's ability to make Kilos quickly.

    That is a vey diplomatic statement TR1. I am impressed.

    Hey, you can use the exact same words/sentence about Sevmash in 2020, just in case they actually finish the boats they are supposed to finish Twisted Evil

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