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    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:19 pm

    Latest diesel-electric sub for Russia’s Pacific Fleet to enter state trials — source

    The Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky will sail to the Gulf of Finland for the first stage of state trials, according to the source

    https://tass.com/defense/1080949
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    Post  Isos on Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:33 pm

    Not about kilo subs but it is verry interesting. It is a recording of sweedish hydrophones that recorded a soviet sub in the 80s. The sub is a diesel powered one. First time I hear the sound of a sub. You can also hear some fishing boats and even a military helicopter.

    Btw this guy is a former US sonarman. He makes lot of videos about subs and in particular about russian ones.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:23 am

    Considering those Soviet subs turned out to be NATO subs violating swedish waters... the reactions to the waters violations is amusing... unacceptable for the Ruskies to be doing that... almost rape in fact, but when it turned out it was actually their NATO friends and allies and fellow European buddies it was OK and no big deal... but the Russians are still the bad guys right?

    It is the sort of thing they would do if they could whereas Swedens wonderful western allies would never do that sort of thing without telling them... except when they do of course... but that is ok because friends do that to friends...
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    Post  walle83 on Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:45 am

    GarryB wrote:Considering those Soviet subs turned out to be NATO subs violating swedish waters... the reactions to the waters violations is amusing... unacceptable for the Ruskies to be doing that... almost rape in fact, but when it turned out it was actually their NATO friends and allies and fellow European buddies it was OK and no big deal... but the Russians are still the bad guys right?

    It is the sort of thing they would do if they could whereas Swedens wonderful western allies would never do that sort of thing without telling them... except when they do of course... but that is ok because friends do that to friends...

    Well i cant say about the recording in this video, but both Soviet and Nato subs was recorded in Swedish water, and a few minks if i remember correctly.Rolling Eyes

    However only one submarine did get cuptured by the sweds and that was absolutly a Russian sub, in 1981. The "Whiskey on the Rocks" incident.  Very close to the largest naval base in Sweden, Karlskrona.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:14 pm

    walle83 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Considering those Soviet subs turned out to be NATO subs violating swedish waters... the reactions to the waters violations is amusing... unacceptable for the Ruskies to be doing that... almost rape in fact, but when it turned out it was actually their NATO friends and allies and fellow European buddies it was OK and no big deal... but the Russians are still the bad guys right?

    It is the sort of thing they would do if they could whereas Swedens wonderful western allies would never do that sort of thing without telling them... except when they do of course... but that is ok because friends do that to friends...

    Well i cant say about the recording in this video, but both Soviet and Nato subs was recorded in Swedish water, and a few minks if i remember correctly.Rolling Eyes

    However only one submarine did get cuptured by the sweds and that was absolutly a Russian sub, in 1981. The "Whiskey on the Rocks" incident.  Very close to the largest naval base in Sweden, Karlskrona.

    Was it territorial waters or the EEZ? These days it is routine in the NATO fake stream media to pretend that the EEZ is "territorial waters".

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    Post  Isos on Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:56 pm

    The sub was on the beach so its more a landing on the mainland Laughing .
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    Post  walle83 on Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:26 pm

    kvs wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Considering those Soviet subs turned out to be NATO subs violating swedish waters... the reactions to the waters violations is amusing... unacceptable for the Ruskies to be doing that... almost rape in fact, but when it turned out it was actually their NATO friends and allies and fellow European buddies it was OK and no big deal... but the Russians are still the bad guys right?

    It is the sort of thing they would do if they could whereas Swedens wonderful western allies would never do that sort of thing without telling them... except when they do of course... but that is ok because friends do that to friends...

    Well i cant say about the recording in this video, but both Soviet and Nato subs was recorded in Swedish water, and a few minks if i remember correctly.Rolling Eyes

    However only one submarine did get cuptured by the sweds and that was absolutly a Russian sub, in 1981. The "Whiskey on the Rocks" incident.  Very close to the largest naval base in Sweden, Karlskrona.

    Was it territorial waters or the EEZ?  These days it is routine in the NATO fake stream media to pretend that the EEZ is "territorial waters".


    It was about 10 km from Karlskrona. In the middle of the Swedish archipelago.
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    It made a small political criciz between Sweden and the Soviet union at the time. One of the few times the swedish military went on high alert during the Cold War.
    However this is off topic.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:01 am

    Yeah, when the Americans do that I believe the excuse is that they got lost or that it is actually a weather balloon.

    The west was constantly violating Soviet air and sea during the cold war... look at how many recon aircraft the soviets shot down for a start.... and when I say recon aircraft I of course mean bomber aircraft converted to recon because for the US it is the same job...
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    Post  walle83 on Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:12 pm

    GarryB wrote:Yeah, when the Americans do that I believe the excuse is that they got lost or that it is actually a weather balloon.

    The west was constantly violating Soviet air and sea during the cold war... look at how many recon aircraft the soviets shot down for a start.... and when I say recon aircraft I of course mean bomber aircraft converted to recon because for the US it is the same job...

    Funny that was exactly what the Russians said. "We got lost, our equipment stopped working, the captain on the submarine was drunk" Razz
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    Post  hoom on Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:53 am

    Whiskey on the rocks was unquestionably Soviet, I think there was another one that was also confirmed Soviet.
    But the rest as I understand it were declassified to be US/other NATO intentionally trying to make the Swedes think it was Soviets & at least several times with collusion from parts of the Swedish military to hide that they knew it was NATO.

    I find it very interesting that he says they were using 150m spaced '80s tech hydrophones and still managed to fail to correctly identify an older '80s Soviet diesel sub & then only because the captain messed up and did too many revs on the prop.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:10 am

    Who doesn't like a Whiskey on the rocks... (ie Whiskey class submarine of course).

    You would read about it every other day... suspected Soviet sub invasion or poor innocent defenceless Sweden... a few months later a tiny article in the back of the newspaper saying it probably wasn't a soviet sub but they weren't 100% sure it wasn't... this was before the age of highly likely = 100% guilty.

    To be honest at the time I could care less and can care even less these days... it is not like they are dumping radioactive waste there or anything.

    It certainly made the swedish feel like they were the victims, when they were clearly being used by both sides... and what were they expecting... to be left alone?

    Good luck with that...

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