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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:19 am

    Latest diesel-electric sub for Russia’s Pacific Fleet to enter state trials — source

    The Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky will sail to the Gulf of Finland for the first stage of state trials, according to the source

    https://tass.com/defense/1080949
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    Post  Isos on Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:33 am

    Not about kilo subs but it is verry interesting. It is a recording of sweedish hydrophones that recorded a soviet sub in the 80s. The sub is a diesel powered one. First time I hear the sound of a sub. You can also hear some fishing boats and even a military helicopter.

    Btw this guy is a former US sonarman. He makes lot of videos about subs and in particular about russian ones.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:23 pm

    Considering those Soviet subs turned out to be NATO subs violating swedish waters... the reactions to the waters violations is amusing... unacceptable for the Ruskies to be doing that... almost rape in fact, but when it turned out it was actually their NATO friends and allies and fellow European buddies it was OK and no big deal... but the Russians are still the bad guys right?

    It is the sort of thing they would do if they could whereas Swedens wonderful western allies would never do that sort of thing without telling them... except when they do of course... but that is ok because friends do that to friends...
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    Post  walle83 on Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:45 pm

    GarryB wrote:Considering those Soviet subs turned out to be NATO subs violating swedish waters... the reactions to the waters violations is amusing... unacceptable for the Ruskies to be doing that... almost rape in fact, but when it turned out it was actually their NATO friends and allies and fellow European buddies it was OK and no big deal... but the Russians are still the bad guys right?

    It is the sort of thing they would do if they could whereas Swedens wonderful western allies would never do that sort of thing without telling them... except when they do of course... but that is ok because friends do that to friends...

    Well i cant say about the recording in this video, but both Soviet and Nato subs was recorded in Swedish water, and a few minks if i remember correctly.Rolling Eyes

    However only one submarine did get cuptured by the sweds and that was absolutly a Russian sub, in 1981. The "Whiskey on the Rocks" incident.  Very close to the largest naval base in Sweden, Karlskrona.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:14 pm

    walle83 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Considering those Soviet subs turned out to be NATO subs violating swedish waters... the reactions to the waters violations is amusing... unacceptable for the Ruskies to be doing that... almost rape in fact, but when it turned out it was actually their NATO friends and allies and fellow European buddies it was OK and no big deal... but the Russians are still the bad guys right?

    It is the sort of thing they would do if they could whereas Swedens wonderful western allies would never do that sort of thing without telling them... except when they do of course... but that is ok because friends do that to friends...

    Well i cant say about the recording in this video, but both Soviet and Nato subs was recorded in Swedish water, and a few minks if i remember correctly.Rolling Eyes

    However only one submarine did get cuptured by the sweds and that was absolutly a Russian sub, in 1981. The "Whiskey on the Rocks" incident.  Very close to the largest naval base in Sweden, Karlskrona.

    Was it territorial waters or the EEZ? These days it is routine in the NATO fake stream media to pretend that the EEZ is "territorial waters".

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    Post  Isos on Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:56 pm

    The sub was on the beach so its more a landing on the mainland Laughing .
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    Post  walle83 on Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:26 am

    kvs wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Considering those Soviet subs turned out to be NATO subs violating swedish waters... the reactions to the waters violations is amusing... unacceptable for the Ruskies to be doing that... almost rape in fact, but when it turned out it was actually their NATO friends and allies and fellow European buddies it was OK and no big deal... but the Russians are still the bad guys right?

    It is the sort of thing they would do if they could whereas Swedens wonderful western allies would never do that sort of thing without telling them... except when they do of course... but that is ok because friends do that to friends...

    Well i cant say about the recording in this video, but both Soviet and Nato subs was recorded in Swedish water, and a few minks if i remember correctly.Rolling Eyes

    However only one submarine did get cuptured by the sweds and that was absolutly a Russian sub, in 1981. The "Whiskey on the Rocks" incident.  Very close to the largest naval base in Sweden, Karlskrona.

    Was it territorial waters or the EEZ?  These days it is routine in the NATO fake stream media to pretend that the EEZ is "territorial waters".


    It was about 10 km from Karlskrona. In the middle of the Swedish archipelago.
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    It made a small political criciz between Sweden and the Soviet union at the time. One of the few times the swedish military went on high alert during the Cold War.
    However this is off topic.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:01 am

    Yeah, when the Americans do that I believe the excuse is that they got lost or that it is actually a weather balloon.

    The west was constantly violating Soviet air and sea during the cold war... look at how many recon aircraft the soviets shot down for a start.... and when I say recon aircraft I of course mean bomber aircraft converted to recon because for the US it is the same job...
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    Post  walle83 on Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:12 pm

    GarryB wrote:Yeah, when the Americans do that I believe the excuse is that they got lost or that it is actually a weather balloon.

    The west was constantly violating Soviet air and sea during the cold war... look at how many recon aircraft the soviets shot down for a start.... and when I say recon aircraft I of course mean bomber aircraft converted to recon because for the US it is the same job...

    Funny that was exactly what the Russians said. "We got lost, our equipment stopped working, the captain on the submarine was drunk" Razz
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    Post  hoom on Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:53 am

    Whiskey on the rocks was unquestionably Soviet, I think there was another one that was also confirmed Soviet.
    But the rest as I understand it were declassified to be US/other NATO intentionally trying to make the Swedes think it was Soviets & at least several times with collusion from parts of the Swedish military to hide that they knew it was NATO.

    I find it very interesting that he says they were using 150m spaced '80s tech hydrophones and still managed to fail to correctly identify an older '80s Soviet diesel sub & then only because the captain messed up and did too many revs on the prop.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:10 am

    Who doesn't like a Whiskey on the rocks... (ie Whiskey class submarine of course).

    You would read about it every other day... suspected Soviet sub invasion or poor innocent defenceless Sweden... a few months later a tiny article in the back of the newspaper saying it probably wasn't a soviet sub but they weren't 100% sure it wasn't... this was before the age of highly likely = 100% guilty.

    To be honest at the time I could care less and can care even less these days... it is not like they are dumping radioactive waste there or anything.

    It certainly made the swedish feel like they were the victims, when they were clearly being used by both sides... and what were they expecting... to be left alone?

    Good luck with that...
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:13 am


    More toys for Pacific Fleet, these are final 2 out of 6 Kilos for them thumbsup

    Russia to lay down two Project 636.3 conventional subs on November 1

    https://tass.com/defense/1085677

    MOSCOW, October 28. /TASS/. The Admiralty Shipyard in St. Petersburg in northwestern Russia will lay down two Project 636.3 diesel-electric submarines on November 1, Russian Navy Commander-in-Chief Admiral Nikolai Yevmenov said on Monday.

    "Two Project 636.3 diesel-electric submarines Ufa and Magadan will be laid down simultaneously on the same day, November 1, 2019, at the Admiralty Shipyard in St. Petersburg," the Navy chief said at a working meeting in the Admiralty, which discussed the issues of building a series of Project 636.3 submarines for the Pacific Fleet.....


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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:14 am


    Two Kilo Class submarines for the Pacific Fleet have been laid down at the Admiralty Shipyard in St. Petersburg on November 1,2019.

    Names are Ufa and Magadan


    https://twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1190281031254974466


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    Post  George1 on Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:53 pm

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:18 am


    That's a lot of metal already cut

    They didn't start beavering on these yesterday
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    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:01 am

    "The Navy’s Main Command is discussing the issue of building a series of Project 636.3 diesel-electric submarines for the Baltic Fleet," one of the sources said, adding that "submarines with Kalibr missiles in the Baltic Fleet will considerably strengthen Russia’s striking potential in the Baltic region."

    The other source told TASS that instead of six submarines as in the other fleets, "the series for the Baltic Fleet may include a lesser number."

    https://tass.com/defense/1088719
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    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:32 am

    13 large diesel-electric submarines of project 877 are currently included in the Russian Navy.

    Of the five 877 of Northern Fleet, only Kaluga and Vladikavkaz can be considered quite combat-ready.

    As for the Pacific Fleet out of six 877s, it is possible to speak with certainty about the combat readiness (or technical readiness) of three diesel-electric submarines: 1) Ust-Bolsheretsk, which on 04/17/2019 provided anti-submarine exercises 2) Komsomolsk-on-Amur, which attacked the conditional enemy’s OBK with four practical torpedoes on June 11, 2019, and received foreign guests on berth 24/29/29, 3) Ust-Kamchatsk (B-464), which passed under its own power at the parade on Navy Day 07/28/2019.

    Probably the Nurlat (B-394), which also participated in the parade, but only statically (link 22), and spotted on 11/26/2018 on the fly on the high seas (link 23), can probably be classified as combat ready.

    P.S. All Pacific 877s are likely to be withdrawn from service by 2025 - as the completion of the construction and transition to the Pacific Fleet of six 636.3 (link).

    The average repair so far of the Black Sea “Alrosa”, apparently, has entered the final stage. According to information at the end of October this year has the status of a “special facility”, on which up to a hundred production workers of the 13th Shipyard are engaged every day, not counting specialists from other services and units. It is difficult to say whether it will be possible to complete the work before the end of the year, but there is little doubt that the boat will be handed over to the fleet in 2020. “Alrosa” is waiting for the inter-naval transition to the Baltic, where she is likely to replace “Dmitrov”, because in a year, in two years, he will reach the age at which Chita and Vyborg were written off.

    https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/223196.html

    5-6 only active and Alrosa is waiting to complete repair
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    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:36 pm

    The Black Sea Fleet’s Project 636.3 diesel-electric submarine Novorossiysk has taken to the sea for drills after its repairs, the Fleet’s press office reported on Friday.

    https://tass.com/defense/1089193
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    Post  hoom on Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:10 am

    "The Navy’s Main Command is discussing the issue of building a series of Project 636.3 diesel-electric submarines for the Baltic Fleet,"
    So plans for ramping up Lada production abandoned?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:14 am

    hoom wrote:
    "The Navy’s Main Command is discussing the issue of building a series of Project 636.3 diesel-electric submarines for the Baltic Fleet,"
    So plans for ramping up Lada production abandoned?

    I think it's more likely that they want to capitalize on fast construction rate of Kilos while they can in order to quickly rejuvenate the SSK fleet

    Article says that Soviet era boats are not in good condition but waiting for Lada production rate to pick up would leave gaps in fleet roster soon

    Kilos are quick and efficient solution so it makes sense to use it

    Ladas can be ordered at leisurely pace once holes in fleet are plugged

    Once they drop construction of Kilos it's permanent and they will lose speed factor

    Use it while you can

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    Post  Isos on Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:16 pm

    The navy doesn't seem to be interested by the lada. Kilo are better in terms of cost effectivness and time building. I agree with what papa said but I think the new "kalina" (a totally new sub because kalina seems to be a dead project) will come up with AIP, VLS so probably longer than actual ssk and will meet the expectations of RuN instead of the expensive lada which provides nothing more than a new kilo.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:33 am

    The Lada sub is a new generation sub... the difference between the Lada and the upgraded kilos is like the difference between the Su-57 and the Su-35... for many general duties the Su-35 (Kilo) will do a good enough job, but for the really tricky or difficult missions then there is no question which sub you would choose to take.

    Right now they could bash out 6 kilos fairly quickly and they would be able to deploy Kalibr missiles, which makes them rather more potent and useful than any conventional sub in pretty much any other navy (the US is the only country with comparable missiles and they don't use conventional subs).

    They could wait much longer to get Ladas built... but lets face it... we are talking about the Baltic Fleet so these subs wont be operating against the best US subs anyway.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:37 pm

    First Project 636.3 submarine enters service with Russia’s Pacific Fleet russia


    Overall, Russia’s Pacific Fleet will get six Project 636.3 diesel-electric submarines

    ST. PETERSBURG, November 25. /TASS/. The Admiralty Shipyard in St. Petersburg in Russia’s northwest has delivered the first Project 636.3 submarine Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky designated for the Pacific Fleet to the Russian Navy.

    "This remarkable series of ships continues. The submarines for the Pacific Fleet have already undergone some modernization <…> The most advanced solutions are incorporated in this ship. Today is a remarkable day because the Navy will get another combat ship and transfer it to the Pacific Fleet, which has long been waiting for the renewal of its submarine force," Chief of the Navy Main Staff, Navy First Deputy Commander-in-Chief Vice-Admiral Andrei Volozhinsky said at the submarine delivery ceremony.

    Overall, the Admiralty Shipyard (part of Russia’s United Shipbuilding Corporation) will build six Project 636.3 diesel-electric submarines for Russia’s Pacific Fleet. The Admiralty Shipyard earlier constructed a series of six Project 636.3 submarines for the Black Sea Fleet. The Russian Navy Command is also considering building Project 636.3 diesel-electric submarines for the Baltic Fleet.

    Project 636.3 submarines (NATO reporting name: Improved Kilo-II) are 74 meters long and displace more than 3,900 tonnes. Due to its strong hull, the submarine has an operational depth of 240 meters and can dive to a maximum depth of 300 meters. Submarines of this Project have an operational range of up to 7,500 miles. They are armed with Kalibr-PL cruise missiles that are launched from torpedo tubes from the sub’s submerged position.

    Project 636 submarines are considered among the world’s most noiseless underwater cruisers. They can develop a speed of up to 20 knots, have their sea endurance of 45 days and a crew of 52 men.

    https://tass.com/defense/1092443
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    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:18 am

    Shipbuilders to float out 2nd Project 636.3 sub for Russia’s Pacific Fleet on December 26

    https://tass.com/defense/1092481
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:10 am

    George1 wrote:

    First Project 636.3 submarine enters service with Russia’s Pacific Fleet  russia

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