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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:28 am

    Smart move by Russia though, to Kalibrate the Caliphate...

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  hoom on Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:44 am

    I just hope that section is not accessible by crew because that would be scary as hell
    *thump* thats the sonar on the left *thump* *thump* front of the pressure hull *thump* on the right.

    What's the story with this one, experimental test bed or something?
    Test of pumpjet propulsion but as far as I know otherwise a normal Kilo.
    But maybe we've uncovered the reason the repairs seem to be taking so long 'You can't leave. She won't let you.' Shocked


    Hard to be present when you have to be on call 24/7 in the Mediterranean to "kalibrate" jihadists in Syria...
    Thing is the first 4 only hung out off Syria for about a month before moving on to Sevastopol, these two must be close to 6mths.
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:21 pm

    hoom wrote:.......
    Hard to be present when you have to be on call 24/7 in the Mediterranean to "kalibrate" jihadists in Syria...
    Thing is the first 4 only hung out off Syria for about a month before moving on to Sevastopol, these two must be close to 6mths.

    Well it's pretty obvious that they want to have cruise missile strikes available so those subs are parked in Tartus for the time being

    Once Syria cools down they will transfer them to Black Sea

    But I wouldn't be surprised if Navy ordered​ couple​ of brand new conventional subs specifically for Tartus down the road, same goes for surface ships

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  hoom on Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:03 am

    Finally found visual confirmation the two have been docking in Tartous


    Edit: Hmm, doesn't seem to want to show, possibly doesn't like hotlink?
    https://syria.liveuamap.com/pics/2018/04/11/21643867_0.jpg

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  hoom on Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:57 am

    Via Balancer Stary Oskol one of the new BSF boats is out in drydock, apparently work on the prop?



    Kilo props always look almost comically tiny relative to the fairly tubby hull.

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  hoom on Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:46 pm

    Alrosa

    By the time they are done with whatever they are doing to the stuff in hull top there, the hull is gonna need an extensive time in drydock...
    Also worried by the continued open torpedo doors, it can't be healthy to leave them open & awash for a year or more No

    Meanwhile Russia looking at options for maintenance on the 2 stationed in Syria http://www.interfax.ru/russia/613052
    "There are three options for solving the problem: either returning the boats to the manufacturing plant (Admiralty Shipyards, St. Petersburg), or sending a floating dock to the logistics center of the Russian Navy in Tartu, or docking in one of the friendly countries of the Mediterranean, "he explained.

    According to him, "the third option is considered preferable from the point of view of economy of resources and resource of boats and is under consideration, especially since the navies of some countries of the region are armed with submarines of this and similar projects."
    Not sure I buy drydocking in a Med country, Algeria has Kilos but pretty sure they send them back to the Baltic for repairs.
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  Hole on Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:48 am

    Would be more economic to send a dry dock to Tartus. Because they will Need ne in the next decades there.
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  Isos on Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:17 am

    Suez canal and go vietnam or india. Or even in Iran where they can send specialists to work on the subs and show to iranians the new kilo class that they could buy. They can patrol around the middle east to show naval presence there and keep a look at US forces also.

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  hoom on Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:24 pm

    Suez canal and go vietnam or india. Or even in Iran
    I think sending back to Baltic has to be a more likely option.

    Would be more economic to send a dry dock to Tartus. Because they will Need ne in the next decades there.
    I'm very much inclined to agree.

    Problem with moving a floating dry dock is does BSF have one spare/in good enough condition to risk on a lengthy sea journey?  Suspect
    I think the answer is no.

    Which leads to a 4th option I just thought of: Would it count under Montreaux convention if they carried a sub through to/from Sevastopol as cargo on a semi-submersible?
    And there is one of those that could be available: Project 22570 launched in 2015 & in North fleet

    https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/22570.htm
    "It was designed to transport Varshavyanka- and Lada-class [7FBTK: KILO SS and Petersburg SS] submarines. It will allow us to freely fulfill tasking and transport ships wherever they are needed." Freely – that is, in spite of sanctions. Now submarines, without heading into the open ocean, can travel within the country from the White Sea to the Baltic Sea, from the Baltic Sea to the Black Sea, and from there on to the Caspian Sea.

    Hmm, or rather than risk Turkey refusing passage/a storm capsize with a sub loaded I guess that would at least count as a spare drydock in good enough condition to go to Tartus...

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  hoom on Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:25 am

    Apparently the 'famous' Krasnodar will be lead ship in Sevastopol Navy Day parade

    Thats gotta be a big ol love at Western Independent Media (see 'Hunt for Krasnodar' propaganda article series)

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  hoom Today at 7:58 am

    Was rumored a bit back but apparently Alrosa is confirmed being reassigned to Baltic.
    https://topwar.ru/145578-s-chernomorskogo-flota-na-baltijskij-alrosa-idet-sluzhit-na-baltiku.html
    Google translate wrote:The Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy made a decision to redeploy the submarine "Alrosa" from the Black Sea Fleet to the Baltic Fleet, Izvestiya reports with reference to the military leadership of the Russian Navy.

    In the military department this redeployment was explained by the almost complete absence of an underwater fleet in the Baltic and the arrival of new submarines on the Black Sea Fleet. The submarine will be included in the Red Banner Leningrad Naval Base (LenVMB) of the Baltic Fleet. Later, the submarine will be sent for modernization. Earlier, "Alrosa" made the transition to the Baltic, in 2011 she arrived in Kronstadt, where the scheduled repair was.

    It should be noted that at present there are only two submarines of the project 877 still built on the Baltic - the Vyborg and the Dmitrov. At the same time, the Vyborg submarine built in 1983 was not modernized for a long time and was not repaired and it is planned to withdraw it from the fleet. "Dmitrov" in the period 2014 - 2018 was under repair in Kronstadt.

    With only 2 Kilos in Baltic & not new ones it makes sense.
    Also possibly what happened with Alrosa: They went too deep while working up after coming out of that 2011 maintenance, nearly sank the thing.
    That would make sense for why its had a long maintenance involving the pipes etc so soon after a major refit in 2011 unshaven

    Question would be how they get it back to the Baltic?
    Montreux convention allows it out for repairs as in 2011 but is it in condition to be able to make it to Baltic on its own and if its really poked from the incident then it might not be much use in Baltic either Suspect
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  George1 Today at 2:40 pm

    hoom wrote:Was rumored a bit back but apparently Alrosa is confirmed being reassigned to Baltic.
    https://topwar.ru/145578-s-chernomorskogo-flota-na-baltijskij-alrosa-idet-sluzhit-na-baltiku.html
    Google translate wrote:The Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy made a decision to redeploy the submarine "Alrosa" from the Black Sea Fleet to the Baltic Fleet, Izvestiya reports with reference to the military leadership of the Russian Navy.

    In the military department this redeployment was explained by the almost complete absence of an underwater fleet in the Baltic and the arrival of new submarines on the Black Sea Fleet. The submarine will be included in the Red Banner Leningrad Naval Base (LenVMB) of the Baltic Fleet. Later, the submarine will be sent for modernization. Earlier, "Alrosa" made the transition to the Baltic, in 2011 she arrived in Kronstadt, where the scheduled repair was.

    It should be noted that at present there are only two submarines of the project 877 still built on the Baltic - the Vyborg and the Dmitrov. At the same time, the Vyborg submarine built in 1983 was not modernized for a long time and was not repaired and it is planned to withdraw it from the fleet. "Dmitrov" in the period 2014 - 2018 was under repair in Kronstadt.

    With only 2 Kilos in Baltic & not new ones it makes sense.
    Also possibly what happened with Alrosa: They went too deep while working up after coming out of that 2011 maintenance, nearly sank the thing.
    That would make sense for why its had a long maintenance involving the pipes etc so soon after a major refit in 2011 unshaven

    Question would be how they get it back to the Baltic?
    Montreux convention allows it out for repairs as in 2011 but is it in condition to be able to make it to Baltic on its own and if its really poked from the incident then it might not be much use in Baltic either Suspect

    Logic move. And when Pacific fleet also will recieve the 6 Improved Kilo ordered then some old Kilos from there will be transferred to baltic and northern fleet as well

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