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    Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:23 am

    George1 wrote:pls dont go off topic again all with nationalities issues and history. This topic is for kilo class submarines. If you want you can start a new topic in general chat

    Actually, the reason for building these submarines is precisely the nationalities issues and history. Thanks to the cold war, WWII was never properly put in context and many criminals became state "assets" and BS narratives were established about the equivalence between the Nazis and the Soviets. This agenda-driven revisionism has laid the ground work for a new war on Russia. Unless this thread is all about some fictional boutique submarine building activity for its own sake the above tangent was not off topic.

    Whatever, no more posts on this nationalities and history from me in this thread.
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  hoom on Sun Jul 30, 2017 5:22 am

    George1 wrote:pls dont go off topic again all with nationalities issues and history. This topic is for kilo class submarines. If you want you can start a new topic in general chat
    Apologies, my bad Embarassed

    So on topic: laying down 2 simultaneously is pretty good, did they do that with the BSF ones as well?

    http://flotprom.ru/2017/%D0%90%D0%B4%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%92%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%84%D0%B816/
    Google translate wrote:The first two submarines will be delivered to the Pacific Fleet in 2019, in 2020 the shipbuilders will hand over the second pair of "Varshavianok". The delivery of the series is planned to be completed in 2021.
    So start 2 each year, 2 years to build each pair.

    Whats happening with the old Kilos? Presumably old ones are supposed to be retiring soonish, I know some have had recent refits, are they upgrades or just maintenance?
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:40 am

    hoom wrote:So start 2 each year, 2 years to build each pair.

    Whats happening with the old Kilos? Presumably old ones are supposed to be retiring soonish, I know some have had recent refits, are they upgrades or just maintenance?

    2-3 got a refit so they'll keep those for a while (one of them Alrosa with pumpjet in the BS fleet).
    There's still another 10 or so, I guess those will have to go.

    That's why I think they need to keep pumping 636s, moar kilos please. Kalina has high chances of going Russian (i.e. delayed for a decade, at best).
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  Kimppis on Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:47 am

    To me it seems that they're actually doing pretty damn will their SSK fleet.

    I mean they're going to get those 3 Ladas, right?

    So years before 2025, let's say 2023, they'll have:

    12 Improved Kilos
    3 Ladas
    = 15 new SSKs

    So at that point only something like 5-8 old subs will be remaining. Additional 6-8 new 636s would already do it. Or just wait for a while for Kalinas. They could actually increase the size of the fleet quite easily...
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Jul 30, 2017 5:29 pm

    Kimppis wrote:To me it seems that they're actually doing pretty damn will their SSK fleet.

    I mean they're going to get those 3 Ladas, right?

    So years before 2025, let's say 2023, they'll have:

    12 Improved Kilos
    3 Ladas
    = 15 new SSKs

    So at that point only something like 5-8 old subs will be remaining. Additional 6-8 new 636s would already do it. Or just wait for a while for Kalinas. They could actually increase the size of the fleet quite easily...  

    Around 7

    Granted do not count the first Lada that thing is never sent on combat duties it was just a prototype.

    Russian are building two lada's right now and it's unknown if they will build anymore (doubtful really if they would they would not have made more Kilos)

    The rest of the boats will be replaced by Kalina's no doubt

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:14 pm

    Is the total number of these classes operational at any time limited by the number of crews that can be mustered?
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:28 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Kimppis wrote:To me it seems that they're actually doing pretty damn will their SSK fleet.

    I mean they're going to get those 3 Ladas, right?

    So years before 2025, let's say 2023, they'll have:

    12 Improved Kilos
    3 Ladas
    = 15 new SSKs

    So at that point only something like 5-8 old subs will be remaining. Additional 6-8 new 636s would already do it. Or just wait for a while for Kalinas. They could actually increase the size of the fleet quite easily...  

    Around 7

    Granted do not count the first Lada that thing is never sent on combat duties it was just a prototype.

    Russian are building two lada's right now and it's unknown if they will build anymore (doubtful really if they would they would not have made more Kilos)

    The rest of the boats will be replaced by Kalina's no doubt

    7 of what? Got lost in numbers here...
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:51 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:7 of what? Got lost in numbers here...



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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:11 pm

    Electric subs the Russians operate that are active but were built during the 80's etc.

    About 7 old kilos still floating around in active service.
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:13 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Is the total number of these classes operational at any time limited by the number of crews that can be mustered?

    kilos have around 50 crew members, The russians could activate all of them (including the reserve ones) the thing is why would they.

    You always keep part of your fleet in down time and the other part in active then switch them out.
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:20 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:About 7 old kilos still floating around in active service.

    what?
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:34 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:About 7 old kilos still floating around in active service.

    what?



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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:15 pm

    Hail the lords Holy Kilos!
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  franco on Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:32 pm

    Apparently 6-8 Kilos will get an upgrade and life extension.
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  hoom on Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:19 am

    That's why I think they need to keep pumping 636s, moar kilos please
    Problem is if they get too many Kilos now they'll have insufficient room for Kalinas/very slow build rate.
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:21 pm

    hoom wrote:
    That's why I think they need to keep pumping 636s, moar kilos please
    Problem is if they get too many Kilos now they'll have insufficient room for Kalinas/very slow build rate.

    Unless Russia plans to increase it's none nuclear sub fleet, a move I think they should do.

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  T-47 on Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:28 pm

    Making room won't be the problem. Second hand Varshavyankas will be in high demand in export market I assume. Specially in low budget but expanding navies like Bangladesh.

    And I agree with SeigSoloyvov, they should expand non-nuke subs. To give the nuke subs more freedom for long range voyage from home base.
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:37 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    hoom wrote:
    That's why I think they need to keep pumping 636s, moar kilos please
    Problem is if they get too many Kilos now they'll have insufficient room for Kalinas/very slow build rate.
    Unless Russia plans to increase it's none nuclear sub fleet, a move I think they should do.

    Room should not be a problem and they could use some expansion, definitely

    They do have 12 fresh slots in Tartus, Syria that just became available.

    Building 4 Kilos (give or take) for Tartus Naval Base would be prudent. No need to hassle Black Sea Fleet every weekend, they have their own stuff to do.
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  Benya on Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:45 pm

    franco wrote:Apparently 6-8 Kilos will get an upgrade and life extension.

    They will probably get AIP and some sensor/weaponry upgrades.
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:39 pm

    Future Kilo class sub Petropavlovsk Kamchatsky:



    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/96502/
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:06 pm


    Krasnodar arrived in Sevastopol:


    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/96642/
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:28 am

    russia russia cheers


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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  George1 on Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:04 pm

    MOSCOW, August 14. /TASS/. Russia’s Navy will receive another two of the project 636.6 Varshavyanka-class submarines by the end of 2020, the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement on Monday.

    "Two project 636.6 Varshavyanka-class diesel-electric submarines named Petropavlovsk-Kanchatsky and Volkhov will be added to the Russian navy by the end of 2020, provided that their in-plant and state tests go well," the statement reads. The ministry pointed out that the two submarines had been laid down in Russia’s St. Petersburg before the Navy Day.


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/960348


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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  hoom on Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:16 am

    Apparently Veliky Novgorod and Kolpino left the Baltic on the way to BSF http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2790963.html
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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:41 pm

    hoom wrote:Apparently Veliky Novgorod and Kolpino left the Baltic on the way to BSF http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2790963.html

    And Dutch took a pic as well:


    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/96868/

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