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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  JohnSnow on Fri May 06, 2016 9:25 am

    Austin wrote:Indian Navy Upgraded Kilo Video , INS Sindhukirti


    This is not a 636 boat. This is an older 877 boat that saw a mid-life refit in India.
    I was confused before looking at the video.
    Anyways, thanks for posting.

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  Austin on Fri May 06, 2016 2:22 pm

    Where did i state its a 636 just upgraded 877

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  George1 on Tue May 10, 2016 12:53 am

    Russian submarine launches Kalibr cruise missile during Barents Sea trials

    On Thursday, the Stary Oskol diesel-electric submarine also successfully launched a Kalibr cruise missile to hit a sea target

    MOSCOW, May 6. /TASS /. The Stary Oskol diesel-electric submarine (project 636.3 Varshavyanka) has successfully launched a sea-based cruise missile of the Kalibr (NATO reporting name: SS-N-27 Sizzler) missile system during its trials with Russia’s Northern Fleet, fleet spokesman Vadim Serga said on Friday.

    "The missile was launched from the underwater position at a Northern Fleet range in the Barents Sea. The costal target at the Chizha training range [in the Arkhangelsk Region in north Russia] was accurately hit," Serga said.

    On Thursday, the submarine also successfully launched a Kalibr cruise missile to hit a sea target, he added.

    In late 2015, another Project 636.3 diesel-electric submarine Rostov-on-Don launched Kalibr cruise missiles from the Mediterranean Sea to destroy facilities of the Islamic State terrorist organization in Syria.


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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue May 10, 2016 4:31 pm

    Order "Varshavyanka" for the Pacific fleet can split between the two plants

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3269887



    KAZAN, may 10. /The offset. TASS Alexei Ugarov/. Order for construction of six submarines of project 636.3 (code "Varshavyanka") for the Pacific fleet can be divided between the Amur shipyard in the far East and the Admiralty shipyards in St. Petersburg. About it on Tuesday in conversation with journalists said the head of the Department of shipbuilding of the Navy Vladimir rag-pickers.

    "Both companies are ready to build ships of this class, the final decision is made. Perhaps the series will be divided into several parts and will be transmitted to both enterprises," he said.
    According to Trapeznikova, the issue of placement of the order is in progress. "The decision will be made as soon as worked out the issue of under capacity, timing of construction of these ships", - explained the head of Department of shipbuilding of the Navy.
    In the battle of the Russian Navy (black sea fleet) are already four submarines of project 636.3. The lead submarine "Novorossiysk" transferred to the Russian Navy in August 2014. The second boat of a series "Rostov-na-Donu - 30 Dec 2014. At the end of 2015 it used cruise missiles "Caliber" for the destruction of the terrorist organization "Islamic state" (organization banned in Russia), while in the Mediterranean.
    The third ship - "Stary Oskol" - serving in the Navy of the Russian Federation from July 2015. Submarine "Krasnodar" - the fourth in the series, was transferred to the Navy on 5 November 2015. All these submarines were built at the Admiralty shipyards. The fifth and sixth submarine is planned to transfer the black sea fleet this year.

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  George1 on Tue May 10, 2016 11:02 pm

    this is exactly what we need. 2 points of construction. And the same for Project 22350 project


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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue May 10, 2016 11:17 pm

    George1 wrote:this is exactly what we need. 2 points of construction. And the same for Project 22350 project


    Agreed 100%

    22800 is also built that way as of today (St. Pete and Crimea): http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/77465/

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  max steel on Wed May 11, 2016 12:30 am

    Russian shipyard to put afloat new sub for Black Sea Fleet on May 31

    The sixth Project 636.3 diesel-electric submarine Kolpino designed for the Russian Black Sea Fleet will be put afloat in St. Petersburg on May 31, a source says


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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  George1 on Tue May 31, 2016 11:10 am

    Sixth Varshavyanka-class sub for Black Sea Fleet launched in Petersburg

    Russia will build diesel-electric submarines for the Pacific Fleet, fifth-generation conventional submarines for the Northern and Baltic fleets

    ST. PETERSBURG, May 31. /TASS/. The sixth Varshavyanka-class diesel-electric submarine of Project 636.3 Kolpino, intended for the Russian Black Sea Fleet, was launched on Tuesday at the Admiralty Shipyard (Admiralty Wharves) in St. Petersburg.

    "It’s a big day for the Navy, for St. Petersburg, for the country. The submarine launch is a national event. Admiralty Shipyard is indeed the flagship of the national shipbuilding industry. Your ships are delivered on time and with proper quality", Deputy Commander of the Russian Navy Vice Admiral Alexander Fedotenkov said.

    Head of the Rubin Central Design Bureau for Marine Engineering Igor Vilnit for his part wished the crew of the submarine successful service and said that the designers will do their best to maintain the good quality of submarines of Project 636.3.

    The Kolpino submarine will be the final in a series of six non-nuclear submarines that are currently being built for the Russian Navy.

    Subs for the Northern and Baltic fleets


    Fifth-generation conventional submarines will be built for the Northern and Baltic fleets, Russian Navy Deputy Commander-in-Chief, Vice-Admiral Alexander Fedotenkov said on Tuesday.

    "The talk is about building a series of fifth-generation conventional submarines," he said.

    Submarines for the Pacific Fleet

    The Admiralty Wharves Shipyard in St. Petersburg in northwest Russia will build a series of six Project 636.3 Varshavyanka-class diesel-electric submarines for the Pacific Fleet, Shipyard CEO Alexander Buzakov said on Tuesday.

    "The decision by the command has been taken and the submarines will be built at the Admiralty Wharves shipyard," he said.

    "We expect that the entire series will be built at our shipyard," he added.

    In turn, President of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexei Rakhmanov said the Admiralty Wharves Shipyard would be the main builder of the submarines for the Pacific Fleet.

    ‘We’ll see by the results of the year whether it will be possible to make a decision on the construction [a part of the defense contract] at the Amur Shipyard," he said.

    According to the president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, the contract for building submarines for the Pacific Fleet will be signed in the imminent future.

    As was reported earlier, a defense contract for the construction of six submarines of this project for the Pacific Fleet may be divided between the Amur Shipyard in the Russian Far East and the Admiralty Wharves in St. Petersburg.

    Varshavyanka-class submarines

    Submarines of Project 636.3, also known as Varshavyanka, were developed by the Rubin Central Design Bureau.

    There are already four submarines of this project in the Russian Navy’s (Black Sea Fleet) combat strength. The lead submarine - the Novorossiysk, was delivered to the Russian Navy in August 2014. The second submarine in the series - the Rostov-on-Don - was delivered on December 30, 2014. In late 2015, it launched the Kalibr cruise missiles to destroy facilities of the Islamic State terrorist organization (outlawed in Russia) from a position in the Mediterranean Sea.

    The third submarine - the Stary Oskol - has been serving in the Russian Navy since July 2015. The Krasnodar submarine - the fourth in the series, was handed over to the Navy on November 5, 2015. The fifth Varshavyanka-class submarine for the Black Sea Fleet, dubbed the Veliky Novgorod, was launched on March 18. The fifth and sixth submarines are planned to be delivered to the Black Sea Fleet this year.

    Type 636 submarines are designed for anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and anti-surface-ship warfare (ASuW) and also for general reconnaissance and patrol missions. The Type 636 submarine is considered to be to be one of the quietest diesel submarines in the world. It is said to be capable of detecting an enemy submarine at a range three to four times greater than it can be detected itself.


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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  zg18 on Tue May 31, 2016 12:02 pm

    Russia's Pacific Fleet to Order 6 New Diesel-Electric Submarines - Official

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160531/1040521710/fleet-submarines-commander.html#ixzz4AE607tOW

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  hoom on Tue May 31, 2016 5:11 pm

    At least this bit of the Russian shipbuilding industry manages to pump out the ships in good time Cool

    I assume the short time between Launch & entering Service is because they are launching very close to full completion whereas the surface ships are launching not much more than bare hulls?
    Western & Asian shipyards seem to have long since switched to the near-complete launch for surface ships, is there any sign of Russian shipbuilders managing to move to that mode?

    I do wonder what they are doing for the year between entering service & transferring to the Black Sea, is it working up the crew or are they not really in service yet running trials?

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  zg18 on Tue May 31, 2016 7:11 pm

    "Kolpino" launch




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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  Dima on Tue May 31, 2016 7:47 pm

    Good to see the 636 carrying forward the baton. But disappointed to see that Russia did not put its best efforts due to economic probs to have a version with 8-cell VLS and an AIP section when the 636 was revived.

    877/636 is now comfortably the most produced submarine design in the world, already it was with a slight edge over the U-209 family courtesy the Chinese order in the 90s and in the last 5 years it got better with Vietnam and Russian Navy orders.

    The new likely orders are
    6 x RuN (pakka)
    2-4 x IN (Indian media had some talks about it)

    Iran would be interested in getting new subs, but unfortunately Russia seems to be too much obliged to that crap UN stuff.

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    Post  hoom on Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:23 am

    disappointed to see that Russia did not put its best efforts due to economic probs to have a version with 8-cell VLS and an AIP section when the 636 was revived.
    Well that was basically going to be the Lada class...

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:17 pm

    hoom wrote:
    disappointed to see that Russia did not put its best efforts due to economic probs to have a version with 8-cell VLS and an AIP section when the 636 was revived.
    Well that was basically going to be the Lada class...

    Makes little sense to make such big changes this late in the production cycle.

    But the AIP followup to Kilo class could be lengthened to accommodate VLS. And it would also provide some space for extra batteries.

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  Book. on Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:12 am

    Russia launches sixth and final improved Kilo-class submarine
    Nicholas de Larrinaga, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly | 01 June 2016

    Here: http://www.janes.com/article/60884/russia-launches-sixth-and-final-improved-kilo-class-submarine

    Russia launched its sixth and final Project 636.3 (Improved Kilo-class) diesel-electric submarine on order for the Black Sea Fleet on 31 June, the Russian Ministry of Defence (MoD) announced.

    Kolpino was launched at the Admiralty Shipyard in St Petersburg in a ceremony attended by Vice Admiral Alexander Fedotenkov, deputy chief of the Russian Navy.

    At the ceremony, Vice Adm Fedotenkov revealed that Russia is now planning to order Project 636.3 submarines for the Pacific Fleet, and will later build more Improved Kilo-class boats for Russia's Northern and Baltic Fleets.

    Russia currently has four Project 636.3 vessels commissioned into service with the Black Sea Fleet ( Novorossiysk , Rostov-Na-Donu , Stary Oskol , and Krasnodar ) and launched a fifth ( Veliky Novgorod ) in March that is due to soon begin sea trials.

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  jhelb on Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:07 pm

    George1 wrote:Sixth Varshavyanka-class sub for Black Sea Fleet launched in Petersburg

    Russia will build diesel-electric submarines for the Pacific Fleet, fifth-generation conventional submarines for the Northern and Baltic fleets

    George, since you keep track of all the latest development in the Russia, I had one question. A couple of yers ago there were several reports about a lot of R & D & some mature technology demonstrations on propulsors done in Russia.

    Given the fact that Pump-Jet Propulsor & MHD-based drives are the way of the future how soon can we see Russian subs with these features? (France has already incorporated it in the Shortfin Barracuda that it is selling to Australia) Thanks.

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:54 pm

    jhelb wrote: George, since you keep track of all the latest development in the Russia, I had one question. A couple of yers ago there were several reports about  a lot of R & D & some mature technology demonstrations on propulsors done in Russia.

    Given the fact that  Pump-Jet Propulsor & MHD-based drives are the way of the future how soon can we see Russian subs with these features?  (France has already incorporated it in the Shortfin Barracuda that it is selling to Australia) Thanks.




    I see a conventional propeller here no pumpjets. MHD? anybody isntelled this yet? What a Face

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  Singular_trafo on Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:09 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    George1 wrote:Sixth Varshavyanka-class sub for Black Sea Fleet launched in Petersburg

    Russia will build diesel-electric submarines for the Pacific Fleet, fifth-generation conventional submarines for the Northern and Baltic fleets

    George, since you keep track of all the latest development in the Russia, I had one question. A couple of yers ago there were several reports about a lot of R & D & some mature technology demonstrations on propulsors done in Russia.

    Given the fact that Pump-Jet Propulsor & MHD-based drives are the way of the future how soon can we see Russian subs with these features? (France has already incorporated it in the Shortfin Barracuda that it is selling to Australia) Thanks.

    Pump jet creating an optimal speed range, so doesn't make so much sense for a diesel sub. It wants to go as fast as possible when using diesel, and can't go fast anyway on batteries.

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  jhelb on Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:08 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:I see a conventional propeller here no pumpjets. MHD? anybody isntelled this yet?

    DCNS had stated that the Australian Shortfin Barracuda will have Pump Jet propeller. Re MHD, like I said Russia was working on it as was France & Japan. I don't think it has been installed on any sub yet. Back in 1990, the Soviet Union tried to fit a pump-jet of 5,500 hp to one of the Kilos of Black Sea fleet, with the designation 877V

    Singular_trafo wrote:Pump jet creating an optimal speed range, so doesn't make so much sense for a diesel sub. It wants to go as fast as possible when using diesel, and can't go fast anyway on batteries.

    Pump jets are indeed heavier, but so much quieter. The big advantage pump jets offer is providing the submarine with a higher tactical 'silent speed'. A conventional propeller submarine may have a silent speed of 7 to 9 knots, the pump jet submarine much higher - speculating in the 'teen' speeds or more

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    Post  zg18 on Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:06 am

    Dutch Navy escorting "Stary Oskol" (being transferred to Black Sea fleet)



    Start of our short deployment with escorting a Russian Kilo-class submarine through the NL EZ.



    https://twitter.com/EOTRMP/status/740096953921511425

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  Singular_trafo on Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:18 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:I see a conventional propeller here no pumpjets. MHD? anybody isntelled this yet?

    DCNS had stated that the Australian Shortfin Barracuda will have Pump Jet propeller. Re MHD, like I said Russia was working on it as was France & Japan. I don't think it has been installed on any sub yet. Back in 1990, the Soviet Union tried to fit a pump-jet of 5,500 hp to one of the Kilos of Black Sea fleet, with the designation 877V

    Singular_trafo wrote:Pump jet creating an optimal speed range, so doesn't make so much sense for a diesel sub. It wants to go as fast as possible when using diesel, and can't go fast anyway on batteries.

    Pump jets are indeed heavier, but so much quieter. The big advantage pump jets offer is providing the submarine with a higher tactical 'silent speed'. A conventional propeller submarine may have a silent speed of 7 to 9 knots, the pump jet submarine much higher - speculating in the 'teen' speeds or more

    The pump jet increase the required power for the same speed for a sub.

    The increase of speed require three magintude more power, so if the sub can go 200 km with one charge then by doubling its speed it can go for 25km.


    Means that a pump jet diesel sub can be used only for short dashing, not for partoling.

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    Post  Singular_trafo on Wed Jun 08, 2016 6:13 pm

    Singular_trafo wrote:
    jhelb wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:I see a conventional propeller here no pumpjets. MHD? anybody isntelled this yet?

    DCNS had stated that the Australian Shortfin Barracuda will have Pump Jet propeller. Re MHD, like I said Russia was working on it as was France & Japan. I don't think it has been installed on any sub yet. Back in 1990, the Soviet Union tried to fit a pump-jet of 5,500 hp to one of the Kilos of Black Sea fleet, with the designation 877V

    Singular_trafo wrote:Pump jet creating an optimal speed range, so doesn't make so much sense for a diesel sub. It wants to go as fast as possible when using diesel, and can't go fast anyway on batteries.

    Pump jets are indeed heavier, but so much quieter. The big advantage pump jets offer is providing the submarine with a higher tactical 'silent speed'. A conventional propeller submarine may have a silent speed of 7 to 9 knots, the pump jet submarine much higher - speculating in the 'teen' speeds or more

    The pump jet increase the required power for the same speed for a sub.

    The increase of speed require three magintude more power, so if the sub can go 200 km with one charge then by doubling its speed it can go for 25km.


    Means that a pump jet diesel sub can be used only for short dashing, not for partoling.

    Sorry, my mistake.I should spend a bit more to think andcalculate prior of writing. : )

    The reqired power of the motor increasing cubicaly with speed, the range decreasing by sqare of the speed.

    so twive as high speed means quoter the range, so from 200 km to 50 km.

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  max steel on Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:39 pm

    Russia Surprised UK Needs Help to Track Submarines Near Surface



    The Royal Navy frigate HMS Kent has been shadowing a Russian Kilo-class diesel-electric submarine from the North Sea through the Channel.

    Russia has poked fun at the UK’s intercept of one of its submarines, saying it was surprised that the Royal Navy needed NATO’s help in tracking a submarine travelling at slow speeds “in surfaced position.”

    Russia’s Stary Oskol submarine was first detected in the North Sea by NATO ships on Tuesday, and was then escorted by Britain’s frigate HMS Kent past the Strait of Dover on Wednesday morning.

    Daniel Thomas, the commander of HMS Kent, said that detecting the Russian submarine “was a combined effort with NATO allies and shadowing such units is routine activity for the Royal Navy.”

    Following the incident, Russia’s Ministry of Defense issued a statement on Wednesday, mockingly saying “an up-top sub can’t be missed.”

    “The Russian Defense Ministry is surprised that joint UK-NATO efforts were required to discover a submarine traveling in a surfaced position at slow speed, accompanied by a tugboat,” the statement read.

    “It would have been strange if the Royal Navy together with its NATO allies failed to notice the submarine, particularly considering the fact that our sailors have been greeted — according to an old tradition — by passing merchant vessels from different countries in the Barents, Norwegian and Northern seas over the past days," it continued.

    Meanwhile, British media hailed the move by the Royal Navy, claiming that that the sub was there on Russian President Vladimir Putin’s personal orders prior to a Euro 2016 football match between the two nations on Saturday. Laughing

    “Vladimir Putin has sent an attack submarine into the English Channel – just days before England battle Russia in the Euros,” the Sun wrote.

    The Daily Mail and Metro echoed the same notion, with the latter writing “Putin sends submarine into English Channel days before England vs Russia at Euro 2016.”

    UK Defense Secretary Michael Fallon also praised the Royal Navy in a press release, saying “This shows that the Navy is maintaining a vigilant watch in international and territorial waters to keep Britain safe and protect us from potential threats.”

    According to Moscow, the Stary Oskol was on a journey from the Northern Fleet in the Arctic to the Black Sea in order to enter its new home base in Sevastopol, located on the Crimean peninsula.

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    Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

    Post  hoom on Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:02 pm

    “The Russian Defense Ministry is surprised that joint UK-NATO efforts were required to discover a submarine traveling in a surfaced position at slow speed, accompanied by a tugboat,” the statement read.

    “It would have been strange if the Royal Navy together with its NATO allies failed to notice the submarine, particularly considering the fact that our sailors have been greeted — according to an old tradition — by passing merchant vessels from different countries in the Barents, Norwegian and Northern seas over the past days,"
    lol!
    The Russians have a tendency to use such magnificent language on this sort of thing: managing to be formal & nominally polite while simultaneously boldly scathing by pointing out obvious important facts that get (conveniently) left out by Western MSM/Politician propaganda.

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    Post  Dima on Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:36 pm

    Camoron regime looks really desperate to score points. Loosers.

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