Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


    AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Share

    George1
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 9443
    Points : 9935
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:34 am

    TheArmenian wrote:This is the Il-80 "Judgment day".

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/71013/

    Judgment day reminds Terminator II movie


    _________________
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov


    Svyatoslavich
    Senior Sergeant
    Senior Sergeant

    Posts : 252
    Points : 263
    Join date : 2015-04-22
    Location : Buenos Aires

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:38 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Svyatoslavich wrote: I had read this news before and didn't understand it. Is there an upgrade program for the Il-86VKP? Wasn't it to be replaced by new versions based on the Tu-214, like PU/VPU?

    Almost 3x longer range and almost 3x bigger payload?
    Electronics has become much lighter and more compact compared to 1980's technology, the time when the Il-86VKP was built. New electronics allowed to make room for a crew rest area in the A-50U, which didn't exit in the original A-50.
    Also, I am sure the Il-86 doesn't have 3 times the range of a Tu-214. Old low-bypass engines, plus the two huge external APUs needed to power the electronics, make the Il-86VKP very fuel-inefficient. I am quite sure Tu-214, with much more efficient engines, has at least the same range, if not longer, despite being smaller.
    Anyway, I find the Il-86VKP a very cool plane, way cooler than Tu-214PU. I am happy that it will be still around for a long time.

    Militarov
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 4839
    Points : 4886
    Join date : 2015-09-02
    Location : Serbia

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  Militarov on Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:16 pm

    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russian Military to Get 'Judgment Day' Command Center Aircraft This Month

    Rostec announced that state testing of an aerial command post has been successfully completed and will enter into service with the Russian Defense Ministry.

    MOSCOW, December 1 (Sputnik) – State testing of an aerial command post created on the basis of the Russian Ilyushin Il-80 Maxdome aircraft has been successfully completed and will enter into service with the Russian Defense Ministry by the end of the year, a subsidiary of Rostec announced Tuesday.

    The only other country besides Russia that utilizes an aerial command post is the United States, which it calls the “Judgment Day plane,” and is used when it is impossible to set up a ground-based infrastructure to command troops or if the ground-based command center is destroyed.

    “OPK has created for the Russian Defense Ministry an aerial second-generation strategic command post. The first onboard complex of technical equipment on the base of an Il-80 has successfully passed state tests and by the end of 2015 will be transferred to the client,” according to a press release.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151201/1031030818/russia-aerial-command-center.html#ixzz3t3ObkT5W
    I had read this news before and didn't understand it. Is there an upgrade program for the Il-86VKP? Wasn't it to be replaced by new versions based on the Tu-214, like PU/VPU?

    Thing is that those airframes did not fly much, they are in fairly good condition and got plenty of life in them so overhaul and modernisation are logical.

    Dorfmeister
    Private
    Private

    Posts : 16
    Points : 16
    Join date : 2013-11-10
    Age : 34
    Location : Belgium

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  Dorfmeister on Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:33 pm

    And what about the project of converting some IL-96-400 in new flying command post? They started working on it last year and a contract was signed about the technical documentation.

    It's surprising that they're modernising these frames as they are the last 4 Il-86s remaining and spare parts will be increasingly more difficult to find. Or it's a stop gap measure before the Il-96s arrive.

    Svyatoslavich
    Senior Sergeant
    Senior Sergeant

    Posts : 252
    Points : 263
    Join date : 2015-04-22
    Location : Buenos Aires

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:09 pm

    Dorfmeister wrote:And what about the project of converting some IL-96-400 in new flying command post? They started working on it last year and a contract was signed about the technical documentation.

    It's surprising that they're modernising these frames as they are the last 4 Il-86s remaining and spare parts will be increasingly more difficult to find. Or it's a stop gap measure before the Il-96s arrive.
    There is one Il-96-400VPU already delivered, but user is FSB, not air force. Gorgeous aircraft:
    http://russianplanes.net/id168463
    Regarding Il-86, there are still many civilian airframes around which are a source of spares, so not much of an issue.

    Militarov
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 4839
    Points : 4886
    Join date : 2015-09-02
    Location : Serbia

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:44 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    Dorfmeister wrote:And what about the project of converting some IL-96-400 in new flying command post? They started working on it last year and a contract was signed about the technical documentation.

    It's surprising that they're modernising these frames as they are the last 4 Il-86s remaining and spare parts will be increasingly more difficult to find. Or it's a stop gap measure before the Il-96s arrive.
    There is one Il-96-400VPU already delivered, but user is FSB, not air force. Gorgeous aircraft:
    http://russianplanes.net/id168463
    Regarding Il-86, there are still many civilian airframes around which are a source of spares, so not much of an issue.

    From what i am aware no IL86 is still in service with civilian liners they were mostly retired quite long ago. But they i suppose still exist in some depots as source of spares. But its not an issue to obtain parts for it since tooling exists, factory exists and documentation exists just thing is that price per piece will be very high.

    JohninMK
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 3383
    Points : 3426
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:56 am

    Militarov wrote:
    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    Dorfmeister wrote:And what about the project of converting some IL-96-400 in new flying command post? They started working on it last year and a contract was signed about the technical documentation.

    It's surprising that they're modernising these frames as they are the last 4 Il-86s remaining and spare parts will be increasingly more difficult to find. Or it's a stop gap measure before the Il-96s arrive.
    There is one Il-96-400VPU already delivered, but user is FSB, not air force. Gorgeous aircraft:
    http://russianplanes.net/id168463
    Regarding Il-86, there are still many civilian airframes around which are a source of spares, so not much of an issue.

    From what i am aware no IL86 is still in service with civilian liners they were mostly retired quite long ago. But they i suppose still exist in some depots as source of spares. But its not an issue to obtain parts for it since tooling exists, factory exists and documentation exists just thing is that price per piece will be very high.
    Here comes the 3D printer, good for many parts.

    Militarov
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 4839
    Points : 4886
    Join date : 2015-09-02
    Location : Serbia

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:59 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    Dorfmeister wrote:And what about the project of converting some IL-96-400 in new flying command post? They started working on it last year and a contract was signed about the technical documentation.

    It's surprising that they're modernising these frames as they are the last 4 Il-86s remaining and spare parts will be increasingly more difficult to find. Or it's a stop gap measure before the Il-96s arrive.
    There is one Il-96-400VPU already delivered, but user is FSB, not air force. Gorgeous aircraft:
    http://russianplanes.net/id168463
    Regarding Il-86, there are still many civilian airframes around which are a source of spares, so not much of an issue.

    From what i am aware no IL86 is still in service with civilian liners they were mostly retired quite long ago. But they i suppose still exist in some depots as source of spares. But its not an issue to obtain parts for it since tooling exists, factory exists and documentation exists just thing is that price per piece will be very high.
    Here comes the 3D printer, good for many parts.

    Agreed on that. 3D printer is very good for small serial production and prototypes where conventional means of tooling are way too expensive.

    George1
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 9443
    Points : 9935
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:54 am

    New generation aircraft "Doomsday" will appear in Russia in five - seven years

    "Now we are completing the transfer of the Ministry of Defense of the aircraft of the second generation, but already working on the next," said the general director of the Joint instrument-making corporation, Alexander Yakunin.

    MOSCOW, December 22. / TASS /. Next, the third generation of air command and control centers, also known as planes "Doomsday" will appear in Russia in five - seven years, said in an interview with Tass general director of the Joint instrument-Corporation (DIC, is a "Rostec"), Alexander Yakunin.

    "Now we are completing the transfer of the Ministry of Defense of the aircraft of the second generation, but already working on the next, the third generation, which, according to our calculations, will in the next five - seven years," the spokesman said.

    Such aircraft, Yakunin noted, are included in the overall system of command and control, but are designed for use in critical situations - when the fail ground control and communication lines. In addition, the air command posts can be applied in a rapidly changing operating environment.

    "The third generation of equipment would be more modern, more sophisticated data links that will provide a new level of communication and operational management. These aircraft will close the new army ACS (automated control system - approx. TASS), the modernization which is currently under "- said the head of the defense industry.

    Similar aerial command posts, according to Yakunin, is a "strategic" staff on the wings ", where you can manage all species and genera of troops, including the Strategic Missile Forces, Space Forces Air, surface and submarine fleet.

    Airborne command post aircraft were called "doomsday" - doomsday planes - in the United States: it was assumed that they will be involved in the event of nuclear war, if the land management structure will be destroyed. The best-known models such specialized aircraft are the American E-4B aircraft based on the Boeing 747 and the Russian IL-80, based on passenger IL-86.


    _________________
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov


    Book.
    Senior Lieutenant
    Senior Lieutenant

    Posts : 667
    Points : 730
    Join date : 2015-05-08
    Location : Oregon, USA

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  Book. on Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:03 am

    Russia operates 'Mainstay' AEW&Cs over Syria
    Tim Ripley, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly | 10 January 2016

    http://www.janes.com/article/57105/russia-operates-mainstay-aew-cs-over-syria

    Russiahas begun operating Beriev A-50 'Mainstay' airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft over Syria in support of the air group it has deployed to the country.

    The A-50s, which are modified Ilyushin Il-76 transports with large rotating radar above their rear fuselages, began operating over Syria in late December, a senior UK military source told IHS Jane's .

    On 27 December, an aircraft flying in a profile consistent with an Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS)-type asset was also spotted on the Flightradar24.com website, which collates transponder data in real time. The track, which was not allocated a callsign by the open-source service, showed an aircraft flying back and forth across northwest Syria at in excess of 20,000 ft for more than four hours.

    Ru A50 the duty

    George1
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 9443
    Points : 9935
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  George1 on Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:00 pm

    RuAF tests updated Il-86VKP doomsday plane

    https://twitter.com/KURYERSAT/status/695888533354123264



    _________________
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov


    Book.
    Senior Lieutenant
    Senior Lieutenant

    Posts : 667
    Points : 730
    Join date : 2015-05-08
    Location : Oregon, USA

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  Book. on Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:55 am

    Aircraft A-50 is able to track up to 300 targets simultaneously
    JANUARY 14, 2016 [02.07.2016 15:50:09]
    http://rostec.ru/news/4517633


    Features of the aircraft airborne early warning (AEW) A-50 you can use it anywhere in the world, said the United instrument-making corporation that developed these machines on the basis of military transport Il-76MD.

    The specifications and functionality of the aircraft A-50 allow you to use it in any point of the Earth, told Tass defense industry specialist. According to him, the main task of the aircraft - the detection and tracking of air targets and surface ships, notification command posts of air and surface surveillance, control aircraft fighter and strike aircraft when hovering on air, land and sea targets.

    According to the specialist, the A-50 - it's airborne command post, his main task - environment monitoring, detection and tracking of objects on the ground, air, water. It is able to simultaneously track up to 300 targets. UIC spokesman said that the aircraft is capable of detecting airborne targets at a distance of 650 km, land - up to 300 km. A-50 - an analogue of the American AWACS (from the English AWACS, Airborne Warning and Control System.), Equivalent in features, but even his superior in a number of characteristics.


    max steel
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 2980
    Points : 3014
    Join date : 2015-02-12
    Location : South Pole

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  max steel on Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:18 am

    Does Russia operate JSTARS ?

    franco
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 1757
    Points : 1797
    Join date : 2010-08-18

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  franco on Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:23 am

    max steel wrote:Does Russia operate JSTARS ?

    Il-20M and Tu-214R's would be closest.

    Book.
    Senior Lieutenant
    Senior Lieutenant

    Posts : 667
    Points : 730
    Join date : 2015-05-08
    Location : Oregon, USA

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  Book. on Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:07 am

    Ru Il-80 kind like Jstar thumbsup



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-80

    George1
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 9443
    Points : 9935
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  George1 on Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:03 pm

    RuMOD gonna order updating another Il-80VKP (air command post or doomsday plane) 2-nd gen. It got 1-st in 2015 TASS

    https://twitter.com/KURYERSAT/status/701314461412564992


    _________________
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov


    max steel
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 2980
    Points : 3014
    Join date : 2015-02-12
    Location : South Pole

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  max steel on Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:59 am

    Russian Il-96 now fitted with MANPADS countermeasures






    An Ilyushin Il-96-300 airliner operated by Russia's Special Air Group fitted with a countermeasures suite that is probably the LSZ-100 laser defence system. Source: Piotr Butowski

    A Russian Ilyushin Il-96-300 wide-body passenger aircraft has been seen fitted with a system to protect against man-portable air defence systems (MANPADS) for the first time.

    Registered as RA-96022, the aircraft is operated as a VIP transport by Russia's Special Air Group (SLO Rossiya) and was photographed in April. It is the newest Il-96 and first flew on 23 November 2015.

    It now has four packages mounted beneath its fuselage, two at the front and two at the rear, each comprising two warning sensors (one forward- and one aft-looking) and one directed infrared countermeasure (DIRCM) head.

    The front and rear packages differ, with the latter having square windows, which may suggest they are L140 Otklik laser warning devices. The windows in the front blocks are round, probably for L370-2 ultraviolet warning sensors. The DIRCM jammer is most likely the LSZ100-1, meaning that the entire system is the LSZ100. LSZ stands for lazernaya sistema zashchity (laser defence system).

    Components of the system, including the LSZ100-1 jammer and L370-2 missile warning sensors, were displayed during the MAKS air show in August 2015.

    The system was designed by NII Ekran to protect large military and commercial aircraft against MANPADS attacks. It is a derivative of the L370 Vitebsk system that is commonly used in various configurations on new Russian military helicopters and is now being exported under the name President-S.

    The prototype of the LSZ100 system was tested during 2012-2013 on the Tu-214 RA-64505 that is also operated by SLO Rossiya. That version featured only two packages under the rear of the fuselage, each comprising two warning sensors and one jammer of a slightly different shape than those currently installed on the Il-96-300.

    It is known that the Tupolev Company placed an order in June 2015 for two LSZ100 systems, which were to be delivered to the Kazan plant in March and October 2016, presumably for Tu-214 airliners.

    zg18
    Major
    Major

    Posts : 872
    Points : 948
    Join date : 2013-09-26
    Location : Zagreb , Croatia

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  zg18 on Sat May 21, 2016 4:00 pm

    VKS recieved new modernized A-50U


    Militarov
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 4839
    Points : 4886
    Join date : 2015-09-02
    Location : Serbia

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  Militarov on Sat May 21, 2016 4:12 pm

    zg18 wrote:VKS recieved new modernized A-50U


    Interestingly enough they did not replace cockpit equipment, i expected it to recieve at least partial IL-476 glass cockpit components. Seems like they do not expect these to serve for prolonged periods of time.

    zg18
    Major
    Major

    Posts : 872
    Points : 948
    Join date : 2013-09-26
    Location : Zagreb , Croatia

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  zg18 on Sat May 21, 2016 4:37 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    zg18 wrote:VKS recieved new modernized A-50U


    Interestingly enough they did not replace cockpit equipment, i expected it to recieve at least partial IL-476 glass cockpit components. Seems like they do not expect these to serve for prolonged periods of time.

    They are planning this, A-100 project, but it will be built from brand new frame Il-476, not modernization from existing A-50 stock.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90-100

    First should fly in 2017.

    Militarov
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 4839
    Points : 4886
    Join date : 2015-09-02
    Location : Serbia

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  Militarov on Sat May 21, 2016 4:49 pm

    zg18 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    zg18 wrote:VKS recieved new modernized A-50U


    Interestingly enough they did not replace cockpit equipment, i expected it to recieve at least partial IL-476 glass cockpit components. Seems like they do not expect these to serve for prolonged periods of time.

    They are planning this, A-100 project, but it will be built from brand new frame Il-476, not modernization from existing A-50 stock.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90-100

    First should fly in 2017.

    Yeah i know about it, however i expected A-50s would fly for 15 years more.

    JohninMK
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 3383
    Points : 3426
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:11 pm

    Russian military analyst Vladimir Tuchkov sorts through Russian and US Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS) platforms, laying out the two countries' capabilities and offering insights into the future trajectory of the development of Russian systems.

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160627/1042020932/russian-us-awacs-capabilities-analysis.html

    Isos
    Master Sergeant
    Master Sergeant

    Posts : 307
    Points : 311
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  Isos on Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:30 pm

    What about a smaller Awac like Brazil or Sweden are making. Till the coming of A-100, they could go for them

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_R-99

    JohninMK wrote:Russian military analyst Vladimir Tuchkov sorts through Russian and US Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS) platforms, laying out the two countries' capabilities and offering insights into the future trajectory of the development of Russian systems.

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160627/1042020932/russian-us-awacs-capabilities-analysis.html

    They say Su-35 has AESA. They should chek their info better, it's a PESA.

    George1
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 9443
    Points : 9935
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  George1 on Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:35 pm

    Russia to get airborne command post based on Il-96 aircraft

    Media called it "a doomsday plane", but the ministry notes the machine has nothing to do with the so-called doomsday aircrafts

    Russia’s new generation "doomsday plane" to be created in 5-7 years — official

    MOSCOW, July 5. /TASS/. An airborne command post based on the upgraded Ilyushin Il-96-400 aircraft and expected to be delivered to the Russian Defense Ministry this year is not "a doomsday plane," a spokesman for the United Instrument-Making Corporation told TASS on Tuesday.

    Airborne command posts were called doomsday planes in the United States: they were expected to be used in case of a nuclear war, if ground command centers were destroyed.

    The Russian Defense Ministry said earlier on Tuesday it would receive a specialized airborne command post based on the Il-96-400 plane this year. Some media sources reported that the Defense Ministry would get "a doomsday plane" based on the Il-96-400 aircraft.

    "This is not a doomsday plane. These are journalists’ speculations. A completely different machine with different functions that has nothing to do with doomsday planes will be made operational for the Defense Ministry this year," the spokesman said.

    United Instrument-Making Corporation CEO Alexander Yakunin told TASS last year that the third generation of airborne command posts also known as doomsday planes would appear in Russia in five-seven years. Later, the United Instrument-Making Corporation said that such planes would be developed on the basis of the Il-96-400 aircraft.


    More:
    http://tass.ru/en/defense/886568


    _________________
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov


    George1
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 9443
    Points : 9935
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  George1 on Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:36 pm

    Russian Plane With AWACS-Styled Radar to Make Maiden Flight in 2018

    Russia’s first plane with a long-range surveillance and control system will make its maiden flight in 2018, the local media cited a military source as saying Monday.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The airborne A-100 Premier system will be set on an Ilyushin Il-76MD plane for the first test run due next year. It was dubbed an airborne lab and given the codename A-100LL.

    "The aim is to test and fine-tune Premier avionics on an A-100LL and then move it onto an Il-476. If everything goes as planned, the ‘original’ A-100 will make the maiden flight in 2018," the source in the Defense Ministry told the Izvestia newspaper.

    The airborne system will reportedly provide the military with surveillance, warning, and control capabilities, detecting fighter jets at a distance of more than 324 nautical miles and identifying ships at 216 nautical miles.

    This is far greater than the range of the US-made Airborne Warning And Control System (AWACS), dubbed "eye in the sky" by NATO.

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160822/1044503504/a100-awacs-style-radar-maiden-flight.html


    _________________
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov


    Sponsored content

    Re: AWACS-Airborne Command Posts of RuAF

    Post  Sponsored content Today at 5:03 pm


      Current date/time is Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:03 pm