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    Post  Isos on Tue 12 Feb 2019, 23:19

    Il-38 has also a big radar on the top to look for ships. But it has a small range. Something like 90km against aircraft.

    Anti sub would be very hard to implement. I was thinking about only an anti ship detector. Antisub can be done by il-38 and future aircraft designed for that.

    But giving some A-50 to the naval avition would be a great move since they lack AWACS. Above water they would detect any fighter/missile trying to go inside russia since there is no mountains to hide behind. The s-400 waiting on the beach would be used at max range pretty easily.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue 12 Feb 2019, 23:24

    IMO, more Tu-95/-142s could be converted to ASW duties for le$$.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 10:07

    Israeli did good job in transforming their civil planes into military ones. It's a cheap and fast way of getting a system that works fine without the need of producing it in serial production.

    Everyone did that... C-130, Il-38, Il-20, Il-22, etc etc.

    Il-38 has also a big radar on the top to look for ships. But it has a small range. Something like 90km against aircraft.

    Anti sub would be very hard to implement. I was thinking about only an anti ship detector. Antisub can be done by il-38 and future aircraft designed for that.

    I suspect in the longer term space based sensors will be used for tracking surface shipping...


    But giving some A-50 to the naval avition would be a great move since they lack AWACS. Above water they would detect any fighter/missile trying to go inside russia since there is no mountains to hide behind. The s-400 waiting on the beach would be used at max range pretty easily.

    Carrier based AWACS would be even more portable and useful...

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    Post  flamming_python on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 12:11

    GarryB wrote:
    Carrier based AWACS would be even more portable and useful...

    But of course you need the carriers for them first.
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    Post  Hole on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 15:26

    Isos wrote:Il-38 has also a big radar on the top to look for ships. But it has a small range. Something like 90km against aircraft.

    Anti sub would be very hard to implement. I was thinking about only an anti ship detector. Antisub can be done by il-38 and future aircraft designed for that.

    But giving some A-50 to the naval avition would be a great move since they lack AWACS. Above water they would detect any fighter/missile trying to go inside russia since there is no mountains to hide behind. The s-400 waiting on the beach would be used at max range pretty easily.

    The radar of the Il-38 is under the belly. The thing on top of the Il-38N and Il-38SD is an ESM system.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu 14 Feb 2019, 11:30

    But of course you need the carriers for them first.

    Of course you do, but it is like the argument about lend lease during WWII, when the Soviets had tens of thousands of trucks sent to them via lend lease... they are hardly going to commit a lot of factory floor space to building the number of trucks they would need, they could then focus more on things they did not have sufficient numbers of.

    If they are planning to build carriers, then there is an expectation that it would carry either an AEW (Ka-35) or AWACS platform that operates from the carrier... the two main features of a carrier for the navy is providing aircraft for attack or defence (fighter/bomber/interceptor) and for early warning and control of fighters/bombers/interceptors so that didn't need to come from the ships...

    You could develop a naval platform with a radar like the Tu-142 and Il-38 did, but unlike the radar in an AWACS platform those radar were more optimised for searching for ships or parts of a submarine sticking out of the water... ie periscope or conning tower...

    A carrier borne AWACS platform could do all of the above, and would be valuable in increasing the reaction time to threats without requiring any enormous leap in terms of technology or capacity... well nothing they are not already working on.
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    Post  George1 on Thu 28 Mar 2019, 23:44

    Russia’s Aerospace Force gets sixth upgraded A-50U radar surveillance aircraft

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1051028
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    Post  LMFS on Fri 29 Mar 2019, 00:35

    And the seventh one is expected for 2021... taking it easy Cool
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    Post  Hole on Fri 29 Mar 2019, 11:14

    New A-100 is already tested. Programmes will be running along each other.
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    Post  AMCXXL on Fri 29 Mar 2019, 17:37

    George1 wrote:Russia’s Aerospace Force gets sixth upgraded A-50U radar surveillance aircraft

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1051028

    6th A-50U Nº42 RF-50610


    Now there ar 6 A-50U in service: Nº33 , 37 , 41 , 42 , 45 , 47
    Also there are 3 A-50 completing the AWACS squadron of Ivanovo: Nº43 , 50 , 51 , to be modernized in next years
    Also Nº52 was used for A-100LL prototype
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    Post  Isos on Fri 29 Mar 2019, 18:30

    They don't paint them in dark grey/black like the first one ? It was a much better color, much more agressive. Sad
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    Post  medo on Fri 29 Mar 2019, 22:41

    White is better over Arctic region.
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    Post  George1 on Sat 30 Mar 2019, 00:09

    7th A-50 aircraft to the A-50U level will be handed over to the customer in 2021

     As part of the Russian Aerospace Forces, all combat aircraft of the A-50 series are part of the aviation unit deployed at the Ivanovo-Severny airfield, which since 2010 has been called the aviation group of the combat use of long-range radar detection aircraft of the 610th center of combat use and retraining of flight crews (aviation personnel - transport aviation) of the 4th State Center for Aviation Personnel Training and Military Testing.

    The unit now has 13 A-50 airplanes and six A-50U airplanes, not counting several A-50 airplanes in storage.

    Russian Air Force (VKS) possesses a total of 22 A-50 aircraft, including those stored.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3590325.html
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    Post  GarryB on Sat 30 Mar 2019, 11:15

    Well that video a while back showing a Flanker scaring away an F-15 proved it to me... the light (white/blue) coloured Flanker practically disappeared in the clouds and sky, while the dark F-15 grey made it easily visible at a similar distance... that dark grey colour is just shit when it comes to camo.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 22:02

    Update: https://iz.ru/845694/sergei-samarin/vid-sverkhu-vks-rossii-nuzhdaiutsia-v-obnovlenii-parka-letaiushchikh-radarov

    15B Rubles now = $228,315,180.00.

    They'll be lucky even if a dozen can be sold abroad. India is mentioned, as only she can pay at least $230M or its equivalent per plane.
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    Post  Isos on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 22:34

    GarryB wrote:Well that video a while back showing a Flanker scaring away an F-15 proved it to me... the light (white/blue) coloured Flanker practically disappeared in the clouds and sky, while the dark F-15 grey made it easily visible at a similar distance... that dark grey colour is just shit when it comes to camo.

    If a pilote fighter is in range to spot an awacs with its eyes then it had it on its radar long before.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon 01 Apr 2019, 05:30

    If your enemy is going to colour their aircraft to improve their visibility and make them visible from greater distances then improvements in IIR and optical seekers is really going to pay off for them... because a long range lofted shot with an R-37M is going to be coming down from quite a steep angle so the dark grey smudge against the white clouds below it will be easy to target... it wont even need to use its active radar seeker to find the target... just its passive IIR and optical seeker can do the job totally passively.

    The vast majority of air to air kills are where the target does not even know they are under attack...

    They'll be lucky even if a dozen can be sold abroad. India is mentioned, as only she can pay at least $230M or its equivalent per plane.

    I doubt they would be that keen to export them for a while... they will likely have enough issues producing enough for their own needs let alone worrying about export options.

    Of course a large order from India that includes some transport aircraft and some inflight refuelling tankers could justify setting up new production facilities, but I don't see India being willing to spend the sort of money that would make it profitable.
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    Post  AMCXXL on Wed 03 Apr 2019, 04:06

    George1 wrote:7th A-50 aircraft to the A-50U level will be handed over to the customer in 2021

     As part of the Russian Aerospace Forces, all combat aircraft of the A-50 series are part of the aviation unit deployed at the Ivanovo-Severny airfield, which since 2010 has been called the aviation group of the combat use of long-range radar detection aircraft of the 610th center of combat use and retraining of flight crews (aviation personnel - transport aviation) of the 4th State Center for Aviation Personnel Training and Military Testing.

    The unit now has 13 A-50 airplanes and six A-50U airplanes, not counting several A-50 airplanes in storage.

    Russian Air Force (VKS) possesses a total of 22 A-50 aircraft, including those stored.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3590325.html


    No , anyway, there are not 19 A-50 in service

    Since a lot of years ago the AWACS unit , the 144º SDRLO was downsized to singe squadron, about 9 or 10 as much

    Six have been modernized to A-50U (Nº33,37,41,42,45,47) and other 3 was in service in last years (43,50,51) , probably to be modernized soon
    You only need to check the list of A-50 in service in last years, you will not find different airplanes flying since a lot of time ago:
    https://russianplanes.net/st/Ilushin/A-50

    Also Nº52 RF-93953  have been sent to Taganrog and is being transformed in one A-100LL for test  https://russianplanes.net/regs/RF-93953

    Other 15 A-50 are in reserve since a lot of years ago at Ivanovo and repair plants pf Taganrog (ARZ 325) and Staraya Russa (ARZ 123)


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    Post  dino00 on Wed 03 Apr 2019, 23:48

    Premier on Victory Day: A-100 plane will fly over Moscow
    The machine is considered one of the most secret in the Military Space Forces.


    Aleksey Ramm Alexey Kozachenko Bogdan Stepovoy

    An A-100 Premier long-range radar detection (DRLO) aircraft will appear in the sky over Moscow on Victory Day. The fundamental decision on this at the Ministry of Defense has already been made. It is being discussed whether the A-100 will fly this year or whether the debut will be transferred to the next - this will depend on the test results, several sources in the military have told Izvestia. Premier is one of the most secret cars in the VKS arsenal, and its participation in the parade will be the first public demonstration. The reconnaissance aircraft was made on the basis of the heavy military transport Il-76MD-90A and had already received the respectful nickname “All-seeing eye” in the army.

    The A-100 is on trial in the 929th State Flight Test Center of the Chkalov Defense Ministry, located in Akhtubinsk. It is planned that on the eve of the holiday he will be transferred to Taganrog, from where he will make his first flight over the capital.

    The appearance of the A-100 in the sky over Moscow this year can be compensated for by the absence of the assault assault self-propelled artillery “Lotus” at the Victory parade, which was planned to appear earlier. “Lotos” will be shown to Muscovites and guests of the capital in a year - on the 75th anniversary of the Victory.

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    Post  dino00 on Sat 04 May 2019, 23:16

    After "Premiere": for the VKS will develop a new "flying radar"

    The aircraft will be created on the basis of a civilian airliner Tu-214


    May 5, 2019 00:01
    Aleksey Ramm Bogdan Stepovoy


    For the Aerospace Forces (VKS) of Russia, a new long-range radar detection (AWAC) aircraft will be developed. This “lightweight” - cheaper and more economical - version of the “flying radar” A-100 “Premier”. The platform for the novelty will be the Tu-214 airliner. Our country with its large territory and extended borders needs a sufficiently large fleet of AWACS. The new development will quickly provide VKS such aircraft. In addition, this "flying radar" has a good export potential.


    The project of a new “flying radar” on the basis of a civilian airliner Tu-214 has already been submitted to the Main Command Space Center and received approval, told Izvestia several sources in the Ministry of Defense. The choice in favor of the "carcass" is not accidental, since its glider is considered universal and well known to military pilots. In particular, about 20 modifications were created on its basis: passenger, cargo, retransmission and other vehicles. There is a special version of the reconnaissance aircraft Tu-214R and Tu-214ON for the performance of observation flights within the framework of the agreement on open skies.

    The new car will use, albeit in a “lightweight” form, the radar and part of the electronics of the A-100 Premier aircraft, one of the most secret machines in the VKS arsenal, which was made on the basis of the heavy military transport IL-76MD-90A and Already received in the army respectful nickname "All-seeing eye." At present, the Premier is on trial in the 929th State Flight Test Center of the Defense Ministry named after Chkalov.

    New DRLO aircraft on the basis of the Tu-214 will be able to control the air, land and sea space within a radius of several hundred kilometers, the machine is able to control large groups, provide information for fighter, bomber and attack aircraft. The aircraft is equipped with a multi-position radar with two phased antenna arrays, all information received by radars is digitized, processed directly on board, and immediately transmitted to participants in a combat operation. There is on the plane and a system to counter enemy electronic warfare.

    The “flying radar” Tu-214 will well complement the A-50, A50U and A-100 Premier, made on the basis of the IL-76 transport. Moreover, the “carcass” has its advantages over the Ilyushin machines, according to military expert Anton Lavrov.

    The DRLO Tu-214 aircraft will most likely have a greater range and flight duration, which is very important,” Anton Lavrov told Izvestia. - The civilian version made non-stop flights Moscow-Vladivostok without refueling, which the IL-76 cannot do. It is also important that the Tu-214 is much cheaper to maintain and operate. Russia with its large territory simply needs a fleet of long-range radar detection aircraft - the new model will allow it to grow.

    https://iz.ru/872566/aleksei-ramm-bogdan-stepovoi/posle-premera-dlia-vks-razrabotaiut-novyi-letaiushchii-radar
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun 05 May 2019, 01:39


    Finally!!!

    I never understood why they insisted on wasting perfectly good heavy cargo planes on stuff like this when airliners are more than good enough.

    This should help with getting cargo fleet in order.

    Hopefully they do the same with refueling and ASW aircraft.
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    Post  Isos on Sun 05 May 2019, 08:43

    Tu-214 got a nice second military life. Not surprising the caracteristics of this plane makes it wonderful.

    Test of radars against f-22 in Syria should have been very good to make a smaller AWACS while most armies are getting f-35.

    Tu-204 wikipedia wrote:The Tu-214 is essentially a higher gross weight variant of the Tu-204, being fitted with extra fuel tanks and structural adjustments to deal with the heavier gross weight. For this reason, the Russian government prefers to use it as the platform upon which all further modifications for the 'Special Mission' variants will be based. Some of the special mission variants are disclosed to be capable of a non-stop 10,000-kilometre flight range

    So it can fly around 10h in the air. Very good.
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    Post  Hole on Sun 05 May 2019, 11:24

    The use the Il-76 as AWACS and tanker because it can start/land from rough runways. Which is good for the Arctis and Siberia. For all the rest and from good equipped airfields in Siberia the Tu-214 is great.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun 05 May 2019, 11:30

    They used the Il-76 because it could operate from a much wider range of airfields than civilian airliners normally used in the role, so they will likely continue to use it, but it certainly makes sense to have different platforms for different roles... certainly for export a smaller lighter aircraft would probably sell rather well and that would also promote the commercial sale of that aircraft for other roles like vip transport etc etc.

    It is the same with inflight refuelling aircraft... for strategic aircraft larger faster tankers are better in many ways, while for smaller tactical aircraft a smaller lighter aircraft would be a good idea too.

    With these new photonic radars the performance increase might make a relatively small dedicated AWACS platform rather more capable than previously possible too.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat 01 Jun 2019, 10:57

    Russia's "doomsday aircraft" Il-80 and Il-82 to be modernised
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    NIZHNY NOVGOROD, may 30. /TASS/. Experimental design work (OKR) for modernization of airborne command post (WCP) on the basis of the Il-80 and Il-82 is completed, work is underway to modify existing aircraft to the new standard, said to journalists on Thursday Deputy defense Minister of Russia Alexei Krivoruchko.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6489463

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