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    Is chinese army a big risk to Russia

    Post  kingodthequeens on Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:19 pm

    They get more money, and more people.... and they get more weapons, excluding nukes and a  few others.
    And There are too many chinese creep to Russia every year.

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    Re: Is chinese army a big risk to Russia

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:26 pm

    You must be new, and challanged.

    - # of chinese living in Russia is less than Canada or US.
    - # of Chinese living in Siberia is less than the # of Chinese in Moscow.
    - China had more manpower and gear than Soviet Union back in 1969.  Check who won that conflict (hint: it wasnt China).
    - China has no claims on Russia as last territorial dispute was dealt with as Russia gave back land it conquered from China in 1969 conflict.  All Chinas attention is towards Asia like Korea, Japan and the Phillipines.
    - They are Chinese, not Chinks.
    - Human wave system doesnt work and Russia also has nukes too.  So neither side will attempt.
    - Both have a common enemy.

    I could go on but you will not read it.

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    Re: Is chinese army a big risk to Russia

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:00 am

    The Japanese military was much more powerful in comparison in the 1930s... when squeezed in the UK US embargo in the late 30s they went north and west to begin with but found Russia just too difficult and then turned south and east...

    Would not surprise me if China did the same as south is much easier.

    BTW The Chinese are much less of a threat to Russia than the US and UK, and for that matter the EU.

    Don't remember the last time the Chinese imposed economic sanctions on anyone and tried to cripple another country economically for not doing as they are told like those bastards in London and Washington and Brussels do.


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    Re: Is chinese army a big risk to Russia

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:08 am

    resources, resources, resources.

    Russian Far East has 1/3 of world's natural resources and China would like to have them.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:31 am

    Japan wanted those resources too half a century ago and found it was much easier to go south...

    NATO is more of a threat to Russia than China is or can be.


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    Re: Is chinese army a big risk to Russia

    Post  Godric on Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:49 pm

    China needs Russia and Russia needs China as they both have similar adversaries at their borders ... call it mutual defence

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    Re: Is chinese army a big risk to Russia

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jan 29, 2016 6:14 pm

    The two last comments above me are the core of the political and military situation which both revolve around economy which revolves exclusivley around Resources which are the key to global domination. China is no threat, no threat as long the west exists in its Anglo-zionist domination attempt they have never changed since centuries and as long that does not change, china can not focus on anything regardless if they have or would have any ambitions to global domination by taking russian resources. We know for a fact since centuries that the West and especially the anglo-zionistic regimes always wanted that and never will stop untill their demise.

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    Post  Pinto on Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:26 pm

    There is no threat to Russia as long as China needs there support, who knows about future

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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:27 pm


    80% of Chinese population is packed along the Pacific coast and it would take less than 20% of Russian nuclear arsenal to exterminate them all. Probably even less.

    If Chinese move military across the border Russia can fry them with nukes and say that they were doing nuke tests on their own soil. Ooops, your troops were there? Bummer...

    Few in Russia would be affected by radiation because the region is barely populated and all fallout would wash downstream into China. Enjoy glowing water.

    Even conventionally Chincoms would not last too long IMHO. Who the fu*k invades Russia these days?

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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:09 pm

    I find that sinophobic very frigthening with the insults and the agenda driven "sino's are our enemies" nonsense, people calling chinese people chinks and chinocom or whatever nonsense and even worse talking about using nukes like that is some kind of americanized solution to every problem "nuke it". You guys are worrisome.

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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:22 pm

    Werewolf wrote:I find that sinophobic very frigthening with the insults and the agenda driven "sino's are our enemies" nonsense, people calling chinese people chinks and chinocom or whatever nonsense and even worse talking about using nukes like that is some kind of americanized solution to every problem "nuke it". You guys are worrisome.
    He was especifically mentioning using nuclear weapons against China if this country invades Russia first. And it is true.
    Regarding China wanting Russian natural resources: yes, they want, and are already getting it, by investing in Russia and buying them. Much faster, safer and cheaper way to do it.

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    Post  kingodthequeens on Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:08 pm

    sepheronx wrote:You must be new, and challanged.

    - # of chinese living in Russia is less than Canada or US.
    - # of Chinese living in Siberia is less than the # of Chinese in Moscow.
    - China had more manpower and gear than Soviet Union back in 1969.  Check who won that conflict (hint: it wasnt China).
    - China has no claims on Russia as last territorial dispute was dealt with as Russia gave back land it conquered from China in 1969 conflict.  All Chinas attention is towards Asia like Korea, Japan and the Phillipines.
    - They are Chinese, not Chinks.
    - Human wave system doesnt work and Russia also has nukes too.  So neither side will attempt.
    - Both have a common enemy.

    I could go on but you will not read it.

    I will answer each person per day.

    1) A weak china is much better than a stronger china.

    2) china was enslaved for 2000 years.
    one reason is that -- china was very poor. Now they are not poor at all.


    2.1) China was enslaved for 2000 years.
    Even the Chinese F word was from Mongolian language, sorry to mention this.

    Chinese were enslaved by mongol, manchu, xianbei, Khitan, Jurchen empires.
    Genghis khan's law, killing a chinese = killing a donkey,
    Sorry to mention this.


    Mongols, manchus, xianbei people, japs, each of them killed  chinese 50% of chinese.

    2.2) Manchus ruled china for 300 years till 1911.
    Manchu conquest of China - Wikipedia
    The population rate was 100,000,000 chinese VS 1.000.000 manchus.


    2.3) In WWII, Japan took the Chinese capital and lost only 2000 soldiers.
    Battle of Nanking - Wikipedia

    All Chinese big cities were ruled by Japan in WWII, included Beijing, shanghai.
    Chinese population is 10 times bigger than Japanese population.

    Russia and USA saved china.

    US killed 1 million japanese soldiers and lost 100,000.

    2.4) China was very poor,  Marco Polo  did not go to china at all.

    In the past 2000 years.
    There were more than 100 great Famines in china, people ate people.
    China: Land of Famine by Walter H. Mallory.

    UK scholar doubts Marco Polo's tales.

    & Marco Polo - Cracked.com


    In 1959-1961, there were 30,000,000 chinese died in starvation.
    Great Chinese Famine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    3)  There are 5 million chinaese in Russia, it is a big problem.
    Analysis: Russia's Far East Turning Chinese

    Alexander Shaikin, in charge of controlling the Russian-Chinese border, said on June 29 that 1.5 million people from China have illegally entered the Russian Far East over the past 18 months.

    The Moscow Carnegie Center, the only organization to launch an independent study, claimed that there were about 250,000 Chinese in Russia in 1997. The Interior Ministry has claimed that there are 2 million. Other estimates place the Chinese population at 5 million.

    ABC News .

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    Post  kingodthequeens on Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:31 pm

    sepheronx wrote:You must be new, and challanged.

    - # of chinese living in Russia is less than Canada or US.
    - # of Chinese living in Siberia is less than the # of Chinese in Moscow.
    - China had more manpower and gear than Soviet Union back in 1969.  Check who won that conflict (hint: it wasnt China).
    - China has no claims on Russia as last territorial dispute was dealt with as Russia gave back land it conquered from China in 1969 conflict.  All Chinas attention is towards Asia like Korea, Japan and the Phillipines.
    - They are Chinese, not Chinks.
    - Human wave system doesnt work and Russia also has nukes too.  So neither side will attempt.
    - Both have a common enemy.

    I could go on but you will not read it.


    you said: China has no claims on Russia as last territorial dispute was dealt with as Russia gave back land it conquered from China in 1969 conflict. All Chinas attention is towards Asia like Korea, Japan and the Phillipines.

    Usually I suspect the intention and background of anybody who said china does not want attack Russia.
    chinese do not thank people who saved them again and again.


    1) Manchus ruled china for 300 years till 1911.
    Manchu conquest of China - Wikipedia
    The population rate was 100,000,000 chinese VS 1.000.000 manchus.
    chinese were the lowest class in Manchu Empire. sorry to mention this.
    Manchus killed millions chinese.

    A small American and European army took Beijing in 1900.
    Eight-Nation Alliance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    2) In WWII, Japan took the Chinese capital and lost only 2000 soldiers.
    Battle of Nanking - Wikipedia


    All Chinese big cities were ruled by Japan in WWII, included Beijing, shanghai.
    Chinese population is 10 times bigger than Japanese population.

    Russia and USA saved china.

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:43 pm

    Usually I suspect the intention and background of anybody who said china does not want attack Russia.
    chinese do not thank people who saved them again and again.

    Usually i suspect people that come so aggressivley on forums to psuh people for an agenda to portray some nation that geopolitically is no threat to russia as a threat that needs unlimited attention, while ignoring the fact that USA is surrounding both russia and China and all other independent countries. Russia and China in the current like in the past and in near future of geopolitics share reliance for a mutual existence to prevent decapitation of one nation after another of a virus called Anglo-zionism domination policy.

    Who do you want to play for dumb here?

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:15 pm

    Yes it is a risk. If we didn't have nukes they would be occupying the Far East this very moment. They are friends when it is convenient for them. The day it is no longer so they will be cold war enemies and when they see a weakness, they will strike. They are already preparing the area for colonization by controlling the levers of the local economy and pushing their financial influence. We must divest the area of Chinese capital and pour our own resources and colonize millions out to the region in order to thwart this attempt. There are many riches to be had if we would just invest the money. With that comes jobs and with that comes a large sustainable population.


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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:28 pm

    Well, I think that is why Russian gov was pushing Vietnam and south Korea to invest there as well, same with Japan, as China has poor relations with those groups as well.

    I think that is why Russian gov pushed that far east investment projects (still mainly oil and gas related) and free land for Russians in hopes to move capital there.

    There can be only so much they can invest there.  If the people are not interested, then its a problem.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:35 pm

    Vladimir, how do you jusge the habitability of that area? 90% of Russian Far East has brutally harsh winters and just isn't well suited for human habitation but there is a milder climate along the coastline. Could ~20 milion people be brought to the area around Vladivistok-Khabarovsk?

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:56 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Vladimir, how do you jusge the habitability of that area? 90% of Russian Far East has brutally harsh winters and just isn't well suited for human habitation but there is a milder climate along the coastline. Could ~20 milion people be brought to the area around Vladivistok-Khabarovsk?

    Of course there is. The Chinese provinces to the south of the Amur house 110 million and they are the same habitability level. If you cherry pick plots 20 million could live quite well if the industry is there to employ them. If we build HSR to the mines and fields to the north inhabitants could commute to the job while living in the more pleasant latitudes. There is enough arable land to employ 3 million co-op labour, talking about high paid mechanized farming. Figure another 3 million employed by mining and drilling. Another million employed in timber. Another million in military garrison and trickle down business. Move some factories for another 2 million and you have a sustainable job base for 10 million full time employees and encourage them to reproduce like rabbits.


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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:19 am

    http://media.web.britannica.com/eb-media/42/105242-004-D8DEDBD1.gif

    This is pop density map of China and cities marked by circle or square.  As you can tell, most cities north in China are quite small.  Most of its population is right in the south east.  China alsp has an issue were majority of its population is old and heavily disjointed between men and woman.

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    Post  kingodthequeens on Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:46 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    This is pop density map of China and cities marked by circle or square.  As you can tell, most cities north in China are quite small.  Most of its population is right in the south east.  China alsp has an issue were majority of its population is old and heavily disjointed between men and woman.


    North China 153,180,300 persons
    Northeast China  121,163,770 persons
    List of regions of the People's Republic of China , Wikipedia

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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:44 pm

    sepheronx wrote:http://media.web.britannica.com/eb-media/42/105242-004-D8DEDBD1.gif

    This is pop density map of China and cities marked by circle or square.  As you can tell, most cities north in China are quite small.  Most of its population is right in the south east.  China alsp has an issue were majority of its population is old and heavily disjointed between men and woman.

    That's got a lot to do with why China is flexing their muscles in South China Sea and so on. The vital space of China lies on those shores, islands, islets, sea lanes and their cultural/historical influence is towards places like Vietnam, Cambodia, Singapore, Thailand and of course Taiwan. Russian Far East has very little to offer them besides minerals and so on, i.e. a route to the outside world (trade) with security.

    China is mostly focused on that, rather than some over-simplistic geographical expansion based on 1970s doctrines (that are dead).
    And as the pdf shows, half the country (central Asia part) is as empty as the Russian Far East.

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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:11 pm

    kingodthequeens wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    This is pop density map of China and cities marked by circle or square.  As you can tell, most cities north in China are quite small.  Most of its population is right in the south east.  China alsp has an issue were majority of its population is old and heavily disjointed between men and woman.


    North China 153,180,300 persons
    Northeast China  121,163,770 persons
    List of regions of the People's Republic of China , Wikipedia
    Try not to use wikipedia.  It is usually very wrong.  The map I provided is far more accurate.

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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:14 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:http://media.web.britannica.com/eb-media/42/105242-004-D8DEDBD1.gif

    This is pop density map of China and cities marked by circle or square.  As you can tell, most cities north in China are quite small.  Most of its population is right in the south east.  China alsp has an issue were majority of its population is old and heavily disjointed between men and woman.

    That's got a lot to do with why China is flexing their muscles in South China Sea and so on. The vital space of China lies on those shores, islands, islets, sea lanes and their cultural/historical influence is towards places like Vietnam, Cambodia, Singapore, Thailand and of course Taiwan. Russian Far East has very little to offer them besides minerals and so on, i.e. a route to the outside world (trade) with security.

    China is mostly focused on that, rather than some over-simplistic geographical expansion based on 1970s doctrines (that are dead).
    And as the pdf shows, half the country (central Asia part) is as empty as the Russian Far East.
    Exactly.  Plus they have so much infrastructure in ghost cities and what not,  much easier to populate those than some half baked idea of expanding into some other countries territory due to paranoia or something.

    I dont trust China either, but some claims made are silly at best.

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    Post  max steel on Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:03 pm

    20-22% of China's terrain is mountainous that's why they import a lot of food items. Off Topic

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:21 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Exactly.  Plus they have so much infrastructure in ghost cities and what not,  much easier to populate those than some half baked idea of expanding into some other countries territory due to paranoia or something.

    I dont trust China either, but some claims made are silly at best.

    Is that why ethnic Chinese have huge diaspora in Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, Philippines that controls much of the commerce? They have been colonizing their desired territories the entire time.


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