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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  Project Canada on Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:22 pm

    Russia Working on New Generation of Space Rocket Engines - Roscosmos

    http://sputniknews.com/science/20160412/1037869280/russia-new-rocket-engine.html#ixzz45cdKW9Ai

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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:17 pm

    Happy Causmonaut day


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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  kvs on Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:10 pm

    Project Canada wrote:Russia Working on New Generation of Space Rocket Engines - Roscosmos

    http://sputniknews.com/science/20160412/1037869280/russia-new-rocket-engine.html#ixzz45cdKW9Ai

    This is not aimed at you but at Sputnik. The quality of that report was utter sh*t. It seems to have been written
    by a grade school dropout who cannot focus on concepts let alone grammar (it is not an issue of translation). There
    is absolutely zero information about new engines in that article. We already know about the upgraded RD-180,
    the RD-181.

    https://www.rt.com/usa/311591-russian-rd181-rocket-engines/

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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  Project Canada on Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:28 am

    Russia’s Vostochny spaceport to be ready for first launch April 20 — deputy premier


    I hope everything goes well, Roscosmos should be vigilant against any attempts (by the USA) to sabotage the historic launch tomorrow

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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  Austin on Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:23 am

    Russia until 2025, will orbit 11 new communications satellites

    RUSSIA IN THE YEARS 2017-2025 will orbit 11 new communications satellite - C

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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:09 pm

    WTF!!
    The latest most embarrassing misleading report about space mars exploration ever , done by who?

    If you though it was done by CNN , or FOX or  BBC.. then you guessed wrong.
    it was done by nothing less than Russian Government media Sputinik news.   Rolling Eyes

    According to SPutnik news..  The exploration in mars began in 2001.  lol1
    and India was first in mars than Russia.  lol1 and India travel to mars and got it
    right in the first try.  Laughing  

    i have nothing against India.. wish them all the look and success in space and
    they have very talented scientist too to do the job ,but when you have the retarded logic of such sputnik reports combined with such uninformed piece of shit report . like no mentioning how NASA carried almost the entire project on INDIA on their shoulders ,NASA facilities ,satellites and technology had to be used ,since India do not have a robust communication network of satellites in space to control the orbiter even less the experience to correctly adjust the fly path of the orbiter.Neither realize that going to space today is far easier ,not because scientist are better ,but because any amateur space program that start today as SpaceX is ,will benefits from the many decades of trial and error of NASA and Russia space programs.  So the mountain of knowledge that exist , give a HUGE advantage to anyone who comes later , that do not need
    to experiment a lot and use already proven working technology.

    http://sputniknews.com/infographics/20160413/1037938064/ten-explorers-mars.html

    For example today is very well know how lethal is space to electronics and humans for the radiation , only thanks to US and Russia decades of exploring space. and how cold is space ,
    and hundred below zero degrees ,is not easy. to keep thing from freezing. But without that knowledge and the technology that is available for everyone today in composites and very resistant materials to heat and cold and radiation ,India will have never do it ever in the first try not even in the 100th. Until it gets knowledge first and technology needed to get there.

    It just once more CONFIRMS , what i was saying to Garry , of the incompetence
    of the Russian Government. Not even in their own financed media ,they can get the
    information right and totally mis report Russia space program.  So a we reaching a point
    where we need to warn people , of using Sputnik news for any info about space or science?
    How can such things be possible ?  It is so complex for media to release a report that gets verified before released the information?


    I means how hard it is ,to give a phone call to anyone in the Russian space industry and ask
    them Russia participation in mars? or just a quick look at wikipedia which is neither always
    truthful but in this case they also have way better information that this piece of junk report about mars by sputnik .

    Even NASA official website get it right about Russia exploration in mars. Laughing

    This doesn't look like a big deal.. but it is folks!!!
    Because Russia have close to ZERO influence in (the world of communications) and media,
    the west control 99% of the world media ,magazines and newspapers, [b] so the last thing they can do is to at least get it right with the one or two media outlets they control ? dont you think? or perhaps to ask a journalist to do a proper investigation  is too much ? and supervision of their job is too hard?   Neutral      

    It also fails to mention how on board of the Exo mars rover ,there will be Russian scientific equipment and sensors to measure the environment in mars.

    and this is unfortunately not the first time i see such misleading reports.  RT also have done their own WTF reports ,It looks as if no one in Russia Government really cares about doing its job correctly and there is zero supervision of anything there . This makes me remember the next youtube video. that clearly illustrate the LAZY fat ,LAME, Careless aptitude of Russians in
    soviet times ,at their jobs ,that the government controls as had no proper supervision. start watching at minute 23.00

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3sN9KDEfXY

    So perhaps if a problem of the old soviet ways of managing and supervision (or lack of)
    that still heavily exist in Russia. Like the saying Old habits are hard to break.

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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:14 am

    Vann7 wrote:WTF!!
    The latest most embarrassing misleading report about space mars exploration ever , done by who?

    If you though it was done by CNN , or FOX or  BBC.. then you guessed wrong.
    it was done by nothing less than Russian Government media Sputinik news.   Rolling Eyes

    According to SPutnik news..  The exploration in mars began in 2001.  lol1
    and India was first in mars than Russia.  lol1 and India travel to mars and got it
    right in the first try.  Laughing  

    i have nothing against India.. wish them all the look and success in space and
    they have very talented scientist too to do the job ,but when you have the retarded logic of such sputnik reports combined with such uninformed piece of shit report . like no mentioning how NASA carried almost the entire project on INDIA on their shoulders ,NASA facilities ,satellites and technology had to be used ,since India do not have a robust communication network of satellites in space to control the orbiter even less the experience to correctly adjust the fly path of the orbiter.Neither realize that going to space today is far easier ,not because scientist are better ,but because any amateur space program that start today as SpaceX is ,will benefits from the many decades of trial and error of NASA and Russia space programs.  So the mountain of knowledge that exist , give a HUGE advantage to anyone who comes later , that do not need
    to experiment a lot and use already proven working technology.

    http://sputniknews.com/infographics/20160413/1037938064/ten-explorers-mars.html

    For example today is very well know how lethal is space to electronics and humans for the radiation , only thanks to US and Russia decades of exploring space. and how cold is space ,
    and hundred below zero degrees ,is not easy. to keep thing from freezing.  But without that knowledge and the technology that is available for everyone today in composites and very resistant materials to heat and cold and radiation ,India will have never do it ever in the first try not even in the 100th. Until it gets knowledge first and technology needed to get there.

    It just once more CONFIRMS , what i was saying to Garry , of the incompetence
    of the Russian Government. Not even in their own financed media ,they can get the
    information right and totally mis report Russia space program.  So a we reaching a point
    where we need to warn people , of using Sputnik news for any info about space or science?
    How can such things be possible ?  It is so complex for media to release a report that gets verified before released the information?


    I means how hard it is ,to give a phone call to anyone in the Russian space industry and ask
    them Russia participation in mars? or just a quick look at wikipedia which is neither always
    truthful but in this case they also have way better information that this piece of junk report about mars by sputnik .

    Even NASA official website get it right about Russia exploration in mars. Laughing

    This doesn't look like a big deal.. but it is folks!!!
    Because Russia have close to ZERO influence in (the world of communications) and media,
    the west control 99% of the world media ,magazines and newspapers, [b] so the last thing they can do is to at least get it right with the one or two media outlets they control ? dont you think? or perhaps to ask a journalist to do a proper investigation  is too much ? and supervision of their job is too hard?   Neutral      

    It also fails to mention how on board of the Exo mars rover ,there will be Russian scientific equipment and sensors to measure the environment in mars.

    and this is unfortunately not the first time i see such misleading reports.  RT also have done their own WTF reports ,It looks as if no one in Russia Government really cares about doing its job correctly and there is zero supervision of anything there . This makes me remember the next youtube video. that clearly illustrate the LAZY fat ,LAME, Careless aptitude of Russians in
    soviet times ,at their jobs ,that the government controls as had no proper supervision. start watching at minute 23.00

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3sN9KDEfXY

    So perhaps if a problem of the old soviet ways of managing and supervision (or lack of)
    that still heavily exist in Russia. Like the saying Old habits are hard to break.

    Vann... man...  take a chill pill my friend...

    The Sputnik multimedia is for ACTIVE spacecraft, and FUTURE spacecraft that are currently funded and under active development.  It doesn't include past missions (no Spirit MER, no Phoenix polar lander), and given the oldest current craft is Odyssey in 2001, its accurate.  It's actually a pretty good entry level graphic aimed at people who probably know little about martian robotic exploration.

    It's a little much to expect the Russian government to make big efforts to laud its achievements in Mars exploration when there has been little to cheer about for nearly 40 years.  Phobos 1 & 2 were disappointing (not failures, but the mission under-performed) and Mars-96 & Phobos Grunt were both embarrassing disasters.  I've no doubt that Russia can recapture its previous glory and perform successful interplanetary missions (especially Venus were Soviet successes were resounding), but their priorities seem to be elsewhere at the moment, and there is only so much cash to spread around.

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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:19 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Vann... man...  take a chill pill my friend...

    The Sputnik multimedia is for ACTIVE spacecraft, and FUTURE spacecraft that are currently funded and under active development.  It doesn't include past missions (no Spirit MER, no Phoenix polar lander), and given the oldest current craft is Odyssey in 2001, its accurate.  It's actually a pretty good entry level graphic aimed at people who probably know little about martian robotic exploration.

    It's a little much to expect the Russian government to make big efforts to laud its achievements in Mars exploration when there has been little to cheer about for nearly 40 years.  Phobos 1 & 2 were disappointing (not failures, but the mission under-performed) and Mars-96 & Phobos Grunt were both embarrassing disasters.  I've no doubt that Russia can recapture its previous glory and perform successful interplanetary missions (especially Venus were Soviet successes were resounding), but their priorities seem to be elsewhere at the moment, and there is only so much cash to spread around.

    iS not accurate in any remote way..
    Not mention of Russia role in EXO mars , Russia have equipment in the rover too ,but is not remotely mentioned in the misleading report. . only the European Union for the technology in the lander.  India "did it in the first try"  without mentioning how the whole operation was controlled from NASA. Rolling Eyes  using American satellites and expertise.  And about the "active" thing that is misleading too. none of the Americans rovers launched in 2001 are active. and neither is mentioned the collaboration between NASA and Russia in some of their mars missions that used american rovers and were sent to space using Russian rockets. Suspect
    Is just a pure garbage report. That  mislead people into thinking Russia have never been in Mars .

    Is there any valid reason for not mentioning the probe of Russia in a report about achievements of humanity in mars.? or the level of participation of Russia in Exo mars?  is not like there have been many successful landing in mars before Americans sends a rover in 2001. you can count them with one hand.  

    Its really disappointing to see again and again how lazy and careless the Russian government is it providing the correct information to the public . IT looks as if the only Thing Russia cares to promote is their military power ,their nukes and their victory parade.   Neutral
    later Lavrov and Putin do not understand,why Russia have so much troubles in influencing
    nations ,even former soviet states to not join NATO.

    Russia advance technology and civilian business and their development in space ,is the only thing that can help Russia to be influential in the west and what could help them to counter any attempts to isolate Russia from the world.

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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:31 pm

    http://sputniknews.com/business/20160425/1038541646/roscosmos-manage-commercial-launches.html

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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:29 pm


    Rescheduled for 24 hours later

    ''First countdown at new Russian cosmodrome aborted in final minutes''

    http://spaceflightnow.com/2016/04/27/first-countdown-at-new-russian-cosmodrome-aborted-in-final-minutes/

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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:09 pm

    Weird. So it cancelled launch automatically? All these systems are closed systems right? No access from outside sources?

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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:21 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Weird. So it cancelled launch automatically? All these systems are closed systems right? No access from outside sources?

    Rocket was running self-diagnostics, detected a problem and aborted launch. There is no human involvement at that phase. Same thing happened at Kurou the other day. They fixed the problem and launched later.


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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  Rmf on Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:19 pm

    problems for the first launch?
    another scandal?
    all that trip and pr show for nothing !
    it seems putin is furious !

    Laughing

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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  max steel on Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:25 pm

    Putin warns heads will roll after failed rocket launch

    https://www.rt.com/news/341133-vostochny-cosmodrome-putin-jail/

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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:30 pm

    Rt screwed up on reporting. He is talking about construction company, nothing to do with the rocket.

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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  kvs on Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:14 am

    Rmf wrote:problems for the first launch?
    another scandal?
    all that trip and pr show for nothing !
    it seems putin is furious !

    Laughing


    And not a single Shuttle launch or for that matter Atlas or Delta launch was scrubbed according to you?

    Bugger off.

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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:16 am


    russia thumbsup love

    First Launch From Vostochny Cosmodrome

    Roscosmos launched of a Soyuz-2.1a rocket, carrying three satellites, at 05:01 a.m. Moscow time (02:01 GMT) on Thursday.


    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160428/1038742805/vostochny-cosmodrome-launch.html











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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  kvs on Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:17 am

    sepheronx wrote:Rt screwed up on reporting. He is talking about construction company, nothing to do with the rocket.

    Looks like RT is infested like RIAN (aka Sputnik) with NATO servants. Unlike certain retards claim, there is nothing special about
    a delayed launch.

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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:18 am

    Delaying a launch is unacceptable... just because there was a fault that might have destroyed the rocket is no reason not to launch when you say you will launch.

    Idiot.

    Only a child would launch no matter what.

    WTF is the point of quality control and diagnostic systems if you are going to ignore them just to keep to the schedule?

    Of course you love it... it is another reason to whine and complain... "But daddy... you promised me a lollipop... the biggest in the shop, you said."

    "OK, honey, you can have the 20 metre painted lollipop sign... it is the biggest lollipop in the shop..."


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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:05 pm

    Rmf wrote:problems for the first launch?
    another scandal?
    all that trip and pr show for nothing !
    it seems putin is furious !

    Laughing

    You really are a rucking fetard....  seriously.....  words simply fail me....


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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:07 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Weird. So it cancelled launch automatically? All these systems are closed systems right? No access from outside sources?

    Rocket was running self-diagnostics, detected a problem and aborted launch. There is no human involvement at that phase. Same thing happened at Kurou the other day. They fixed the problem and launched later.


    Apparently the launch control system did not receive a confirmation for one of the valves that were commanded to close, so the logic aborted the cycle. Good call.

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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  Viktor on Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:23 pm

    Congrats to Russia !

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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:42 pm



    on another note.. it was one of the nicest camera angle of any launch in the day in a long time.



    Unfortunately the monkeys at RT cut the video ,too early ,did not allowed people to fully appreciate the travel all the way when the rocket start to reach space .


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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:06 pm


    Can someone please translate this?


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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  kvs on Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:07 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Can someone please translate this?


    Left panel:

    17 failed launches, one success.

    Oh Lordy, what a success, Ilon Musk has thrown the Russian space industry flat on its back.


    Right panel:

    Delay of a launch for 24 hours.

    Dimwitted vatniks, slaves of Putler, laid an egg again, what a disgrace and failure,
    it is a shame to be Russian.


    Bottom:

    The little Liberal methodology (technique).


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