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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:38 am

    Rmf wrote:Ofcourse no point in talking without some graphycs so people know what is about and have a perspective.
    in the picture is angara-a5 with kvtk hydrogen upper stage ,stacked large sunkar launcher proposal and single sunkar rocket .... see how kvtk fits sunkar launcher much better.
    now some rough calculations....
    sunkar using only oxygen+kerosine in all stages  -80+ tons to LEO.
    sunkar launcher but with `10% increase in engine power to rd-171 and larger kerosine third stage - 105tonns .
    sunkar using  hydrogen 3rd  stage  (3rd stage would be larger then in picture , larger then angaras)--110t.
    sunkar with 10% increase in engine power of rd-171 , and even larger hydrogen 3rd stage - 150t.

    so very good flexibility,.... this thing sets you to moon in 1 shot.... angara can never match this.

    i think building a sunkar launch pad in kazahstan although its using their money for launch pad is bad idea... it should be built in russia - vostochny.
    zenith was built in mind to replace soyuz by the end of 90s if ussr still existed , they still fly it and blow money on that pit in vostochny with no real reason, nore mission.
    thats got to stop. if presidential decree is needed to brake lobbies and send soyuz and proton to history finally and focus on these 2 launchers and single engine type- exclusively.  (and hydrogen for smaller third stages) so be it , putin has to be decicive and firm.

    Some good points here, and I think this architecture is looking like an optimum development path for a flexible and sustainable launch capability. Modular Angara for light-to-heavy payloads up to 25T (with Soyuz derivatives used for medium mass ~8T to LEO) and Sunkar/Feniks stacks used between 17T and 80-100T or more. Modularity is the key, especially if modules can be recovered in such a way as to promote effective re-use (even if it is only intended to allow stripdown of recovered blocks rather than wholesale re-use).

    Again, I don't agree with scrapping Soyuz. Throwing away a perfectly good light-medium launcher is lunacy, especially as many military payloads fit its lift capacity and Plesetsk has an abundance of pads and ground infrastructure. In fact, I'd keep the Soyuz manned ferry in production well beyond any introduction of PPTS/Federation as its cheap & reliable, the manufacturing infrastructure is paid for and the workforce is trained. I'd keep it going as a backup delivery system for passengers and cargo, and also offer it for sale (c/w tech transfer) to developing nations who want their own national manned space capabilities but don't want to spend a fortune to re-invent the wheel.

    Agree 100% on Kazakhstan. If the Kazakh goverment wants to help fund development that is fine, but they can pay for the mods to the exisitng pad(s). Russia needs infrastructure in Russia, and this is not negotiable.

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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  Rmf on Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:10 pm

    angara -a3 short version , without urm-2 as third stage,  but just core and satelite own propulsion had about 11t to LEO. anyway as i posted looong ago ,angara is bit oversized.
    URM-1 is 141t , 4 times larger URM should be 560t ,  sunkar 1st stage  is 430t.
    at least 10% reduction and using NK-331 should have been a choise.
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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:17 pm

    S7 airline buys into Sea Launch

    The Russian airline company, S7 Group, agreed to buy assets of the troubled Sea Launch project, including both vessels and the launch support equipment in Long Beach, California, at a price tag of around $150 million. Following a series of negotiations, the project's main contractor, RKK Energia, and the S7 Group announced the deal on Sept. 27, 2016, at the International Astronautics Congress in Guadalajara, Mexico. At the signing ceremony, RKK Energia and S7 promised to resume Sea Launch missions by the end of 2018, or 18 months after obtaining approvals for the deal. The approvals had to come from the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls, DDTC, and the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, CFIUS.

    The Sea Launch is then expected to perform around 70 launches before a major overhaul is required, its new investors believed. At the singing of the deal, RKK Energia and S7 said that the Sea Launch would remain based at the port of Long Beach and continue using the Zenit rocket. All previous plans to replace the Ukrainian-built vehicle with a Russian booster and to relocate the vessels to Russia were apparently dashed at least for the time being as financially and technically unrealistic.

    At the same time, RKK Energia and S7 admitted that no agreement on the resumption of Zenit production in Dnepropetrovsk had been reached. The officials present at the signing ceremony were also unable to provide any scenarios for the resolution of the enormous outstanding dept hanging over Sea Launch, or any details on the prospects of settling the lawsuit with Boeing.

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/sealaunch.html#s7

    Bizarre... why the frack would RKK Energia be even remotely interested giving a boost to Ukropistani manufacture of Zenit?  Russia should do everything to ensure that the fucking Banderites loose Yuzmash/Yuznoye through a total lack of investment/orders, and the Ukrops have no ability to build anything larger than an artillery rocket.
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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  kvs on Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:52 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:S7 airline buys into Sea Launch

    The Russian airline company, S7 Group, agreed to buy assets of the troubled Sea Launch project, including both vessels and the launch support equipment in Long Beach, California, at a price tag of around $150 million. Following a series of negotiations, the project's main contractor, RKK Energia, and the S7 Group announced the deal on Sept. 27, 2016, at the International Astronautics Congress in Guadalajara, Mexico. At the signing ceremony, RKK Energia and S7 promised to resume Sea Launch missions by the end of 2018, or 18 months after obtaining approvals for the deal. The approvals had to come from the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls, DDTC, and the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, CFIUS.

    The Sea Launch is then expected to perform around 70 launches before a major overhaul is required, its new investors believed. At the singing of the deal, RKK Energia and S7 said that the Sea Launch would remain based at the port of Long Beach and continue using the Zenit rocket. All previous plans to replace the Ukrainian-built vehicle with a Russian booster and to relocate the vessels to Russia were apparently dashed at least for the time being as financially and technically unrealistic.

    At the same time, RKK Energia and S7 admitted that no agreement on the resumption of Zenit production in Dnepropetrovsk had been reached. The officials present at the signing ceremony were also unable to provide any scenarios for the resolution of the enormous outstanding dept hanging over Sea Launch, or any details on the prospects of settling the lawsuit with Boeing.

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/sealaunch.html#s7

    Bizarre... why the frack would RKK Energia be even remotely interested giving a boost to Ukropistani manufacture of Zenit?  Russia should do everything to ensure that the fucking Banderites loose Yuzmash/Yuznoye through a total lack of investment/orders, and the Ukrops have no ability to build anything larger than an artillery rocket.

    Russia is not supporting Yuzhmash. It is buying the rig and other assets at knock down prices and Yuzhmash will only get a fraction of the $150 million.
    Boeing will likely get most of it.

    The only reason I can see why Russian companies would buy this equipment is they think Russia can use it. They are fully aware of the stoppage
    in Zenit production. This implies that there will be an affordable Zenit replacement for Sea Launch. Sunkar has very similar mass and dimensions
    and uses the same fuel and uses a similar engine since the Zenit employs the RD-171. But it will be a few years before it is ready. Maybe not so
    many years.
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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  Rmf on Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:14 pm

    they are spending money on too many projects , new proton versions (which is to be cancelled Rolling Eyes ) now this , this chaos is worst then soviet moon shot and will end badly.
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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:55 am

    Who is "they"?  S7 is a privately-owned company, so if they choose to invest it is their concern.  I agree that it seems like a stupid idea, but its not a Russian Federal enterprise and won't draw on government funds, so let them go for it...   Personally, if they want to restart Zenit manufacture by the fucking Banderites then I hope they lose every last kopek....

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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:03 am

    Russia to spend $2.8 bln on space program in 2017 — draft

    The draft stipulates allocating $1.5 billion for implementation of the federal space program

    MOSCOW, October 12. /TASS/. Russia’s draft federal budget for 2017 envisages allocating about 173.24 billion rubles (about $2.8 billion) on space activity, according to the document posted on the federal web portal of draft regulatory acts on Wednesday.

    Specifically, the addendum to the draft federal law for 2017 and for the planned period of 2018 and 2019 stipulates allocating 92.46 billion rubles ($1.5 billion) for the implementation of the federal space program and slightly over 21 billion rubles ($335 million) on the target program of the development of spaceports. Over 1.2 billion rubles ($19 million) is expected to be spent next year on maintaining the potential of the Baikonur space center in Kazakhstan.

    Also, about 38.33 billion rubles ($612 million) is slated for the 2012-2020 targeted program to maintain, develop and use the GLONASS satellite navigation system next year, according to the draft federal budget.

    It follows from the document that over 2.2 billion rubles ($35 million) is expected to be allocated from the federal budget to finance the creation of a megawatt transport and energy module with a nuclear propulsion system.

    Another 1.95 billion rubles ($31 million) are expected to be spent on "performing the functions to select and train" cosmonauts, the draft document says.

    As many as 622.33 million rubles ($9.9 million) are stipulated in the draft federal budget for next year to insure risks and liability during the launches and flight tests of spacecraft.

    Subsidies for the State Space Corporation Roscosmos will amount to 314.87 million rubles ($5 million), the draft document says.


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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  franco on Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:07 pm

    The Russian military will receive space-based radar system

    The Russian military plans to deploy in Earth orbit constellation of radar satellites of the five exploration spacecraft. The first satellite-radar with active phased array is planned for launch in 2019. The agreement was signed by the Ministry of Defense and Lavochkin. About this newspaper "Izvestia" , citing a source in the command of air and space forces of Russia.

    First, the complex will consist of two spacecraft, then the orbit will be launched three more.

    The new system of electronic surveillance will be located at an altitude of about two thousand kilometers. It will allow the military to "see" live images on the ground in sub-meter resolution. The vagaries of the weather should not affect the quality of the transmitted information.

    In addition, radar satellites have an accurate 3D-model of the Earth necessary for flight missions cruise missiles.

    Earlier, the Ministry of Defense reported that in addition to the orbital satellites, radar group until 2018, more than ten new laser-optical and radio space object recognition systems will be deployed on the territory of Russia.

    From the beginning, the officers of the main intelligence center space situation found and taken to support more than 650 space objects, to control of the in-orbit delivery of more than 180 satellites and termination ballistic existence of 60 space objects.

    VCS Experts issued six warnings on dangerous close encounters of space debris and meteorites Russian satellites constellation, including the International Space Station. It is possible to avoid collisions in orbit. Total duty force ground automated complex FSI Russian control had more than 420,000 sessions with Russian spacecraft constellation.
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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:07 pm

    Russia plans to test elements of new nuclear engine on ISS

    A transport energy module based on a megawatt-class nuclear propulsion unit is expected to be ready for tests by the end of 2018

    MOSCOW, October 27. /TASS/. Russia’s state space corporation Roscosmos has announced a tender for developing proposals on testing key elements of a megawatt-class nuclear propulsion system, including aboard the International Space Station (ISS), according to the tender documentation posted on the state procurement website on Thursday.

    Specifically, Roscosmos expects to receive "proposals on the rational structure of key elements, systems and items of a perspective nuclear propulsion unit intended for tests in outer space, including with the use of the ISS’ Russian segment.

    According to the tender documentation, Roscosmos is ready to allocate more than 264 million rubles (about $4 million) for this work.

    The winner of the tender is expected to be announced on October 28.

    As of now, only the Keldysh Research Center has submitted its bid for this work.

    The works on creating a transport energy module based on a megawatt-class nuclear propulsion unit were approved by the Russian presidential commission for modernization and technological development of the Russian economy in 2009.

    By the end of 2018, the energy propulsion unit should be prepared for flight and design tests.

    It was reported earlier that 3.8 billion rubles ($60 million) would be allocated from the budget for developing a nuclear propulsion unit in 2016-2018. Roscosmos is the project’s customer and the Keldysh Research Center is its contractor. The contract should be fulfilled by November 2018.


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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:20 pm

    Moscow to Mull Building Russian Orbital Station in Spring 2017
    Russian Aviaton » Wednesday November 16, 2016 16:02 MSK

    The proposal to establish a Russian national orbiting space station to replace the International Space Station (ISS) after 2024 will most likely be debated by the government next spring, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Wednesday.

    "Within the field of view is the idea proposed by our scientists to create a national orbital space station instead of the ISS. But this is a pending issue associated with political and technical issues. It will be probably decided in spring 2017," Rogozin told reporters.

    Russia's space industry development strategy into 2030 should be developed in the next 90 days, Rogozin said.

    "The draft space activity strategy was reported by [Roscosmos State Corporation head Igor] Komarov. The government needs to adopt the strategy in the next three months," he told reporters.

    Russia-US work on the International Space Station beyond 2024 will depend on Moscow’s cooperation with the new US administration, the deputy prime minister said.

    "Much will depend on the political moments in relations with the Americans, with the new administration. It will be discussed," he said.

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    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:15 pm

    MOSCOW, November 23. /TASS/. Russia’s space corporation Roscosmos and the Russian Academy of Sciences have started drafting the concept of a future national structure expected to issue warnings of potentially dangerous space objects, the director of the Russian Academy’s Institute of Astronomy, Boris Shustov, has told TASS.

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    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:18 pm

    First woman in space says Russians will be first on Mars

    The first female cosmonaut Valentina Tereshkova told a forum she would have been ready to go to the Red Planet herself, if it was not for her age

    YAROSLAVL, November 21. /TASS/. The first female cosmonaut Valentina Tereshkova said on Monday she believed Russians would be the first to land on Mars and she would have been ready to go to the Red Planet herself, if it was not for her age.

    Tereshkova made this statement at the All-Russian gifted children forum titled: "Future Intellectual Leaders of Russia."

    "I believe that we’ll be the first on Mars after all. Look, they are using sanctions against us but Americans fly aboard our space vehicles with the help of our carrier rockets and are not going to create their own spaceships," Tereshkova said.

    The world’s first female cosmonaut said she had long dealt with the theme of Mars and "had studied this planet specially."

    "It is regrettable that years are passing. Otherwise, I would have not ceded the place [in the spacecraft]," the Soviet female cosmonaut said in reply to a question about whether she would fly to Mars.

    The audience greeted her with a storm of applause.


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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  franco on Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:49 pm

    Some updates from the Space Forces Command;

    - major upgrades to OKNA and Krona space surveillance systems. The range of OKNA has been increased to 50,000 kms from 40,000.
    - new Glonass K satellites to have a life of 10 years, 2.5 x the old ones.
    - Voronezh installations should be completed and operational by the end of 2019. Four are presently on combat duty, 3 others are coming on duty and the last two are under construction.
    - The space monitoring locations in Crimea, Altai, Buryatia and the Far East are to receive major upgrades.
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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  kvs on Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:00 am

    franco wrote:Some updates from the Space Forces Command;

    - new Glonass K satellites to have a life of 10 years, 2.5 x the old ones.

    They must have finally abandoned the pressurized vessel format for their satellites. For some bizarre reason
    the USSR did not develop vacuum-exposed satellites and chose to package the electronics in a pressurized air
    box. The short life was due to this box leaking out its air and not the longevity of the electronics and other
    components.

    Of course all instruments exposed to the vacuum must be designed and tested in vacuum chambers on Earth.
    But this is not a technology Russia cannot handle.

    OK... just found a link that confirms my speculation:

    http://spaceflight101.com/spacecraft/glonass-k1/
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    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:32 pm

    Air defense unit in Siberia apparently saw two falling fragments of Progress spacecraft

    A cargo space vehicle of the Progress serie has been lost at an altitude of 190 kilometers


    YEKATERINBURG, December 2. /TASS/. An air defense unit of Russia’s Central Military District stationed in West Siberia says that on Thursday evening it identified two objects within its area of responsibility that may turn out to be fragments of the Progress MS-04 cargo spacecraft, Central Military District spokesman, Yaroslav Roshchupkin, has told TASS.

    "Radio-technical means of the Central Military District’s air defense unit on December 1 identified two flying objects on radar screens at 17:56 and 17:57 Moscow time. Specialists studied their flight paths to arrive at the conclusion with nearly 100% certainty that the objects were fragments of the Progress spacecraft," Roshchupkin said.

    Military personnel are not involved in search operations, the Central Military District said.

    A cargo space vehicle of the Progress series, launched from the Baikonur space site in Kazakhstan at 17:51 Moscow time on Thursday was lost at an altitude of 190 kilometers over the Tyva region. Most of its fragments burned down in the atmosphere.

    According to some reports several fragments may have reached the Earth’s surface in a sparsely populated area 60-80 kilometers west of the city of Kyzyl. Search groups of the Emergencies Ministry have inspected territories around four communities in the Ulug-Khem, Chaa-Khol and Sut-Khol districts of Tyva to find nothing.


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    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:58 pm

    Russian astronomers fail to detect meteorite’s crash in Siberia

    The meteorite went undetected as there are not enough astronomical observatories in Siberia

    NOVOSIBIRSK, December 7. /TASS/. The meteor seen on Tuesday night in the city of Sayanogorsk, in Russia’s Siberian Republic of Khakassia, went undetected by ground telescopes as there are not enough astronomical observatories in Siberia, the Novosibirsk Planetarium’s Director, Sergei Maslikov, told TASS on Wednesday.

    "No one carries out astronomic research in that area, unfortunately. Krasnoyarsk is the closest city but there is neither a planetarium, nor an observatory there," he said.

    Maslikov elaborated that the observatories closest to Khakassia were located in Novosibirsk and Irkutsk. "We could not see it here. In Irkutsk, the skies are constantly observed but Irkutsk is also rather far. I don’t think Irkutsk’s residents could see the meteor since it was smaller than the one that had crashed in the Chelyabinsk region, so it could have been seen in a limited area," Maslikov added.

    A source in the Astronomical Observatory of the Irkutsk State University confirmed to TASS that they had not detected any celestial bodies.

    The director of the Novosibirsk planetarium also said that comets were constantly observed from space as these observations were of great interest to astronomers. "We should now what celestial bodies come down from space and in what numbers. We know the approximate numbers but not specific figures," Maslikov noted.

    According to him, ‘shooting stars’ come down from space almost every day but they usually fall away from human settlements, into the oceans or deep forests.

    As the Sayanogorsk city website reported on December 6, a falling star considered to be an meteorite landed in the region of Khakassia, presumably in the Babik valley near Sayanogorsk.

    The meteorite that hit the ground in Khakassia was not detected by the multichannel monitoring telescope (MMT) aimed at searching for quick-changing and fast-moving space objects, researcher officer of the Special Astrophysical Observatory of the Russian Academy of Science, head of the MMT project Grigory Beskin told TASS earlier. He added that a multichannel system was capable of detecting such meteorites at a height of around 100 kilometers provided the meteorite would be flying not more than several dozen kilometers from the observatory. To cover the entire territory of the country, a vast network containing scores of such telescopes is necessary, Beskin said.


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    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:16 pm

    Russsian cosmonaut reveals details about future international station in Moon’s orbit

    The International Space Station consists of fifteen modules, five of which are Russian

    MOSCOW, December 12. /TASS/. A future international space station that may be put in orbit around the Moon will be one-fourth or even one-fifth the size of the International Space Station currently orbiting the Earth, the chief of the Manned Programs Center at the space industry’s main research institute, cosmonaut Oleg Kotov, has told TASS.

    "The discussion over plans for creating an international station in the Moon’s orbit is in the initial phase. Pre-project talks are being held by the ISS partner countries at the working group level. The purpose of the station will be to create a near-Moon infrastructure for subsequent exploration and development of the Moon. Currently the station is seen as a small visitable orbiter consisting of three or four modules in the Moon’s polar highly elliptical orbit," he said.

    The International Space Station consists of fifteen modules, five of which are Russian.

    Kotov said a future lunar space station will help polish technologies crucial to exploring the Moon and deep space. In particular, it may explore the Moon’s surface using rovers and landing probes.

    "The lunar station is regarded as an international project and this is very good, because it would be very wrong to neglect the experience of international cooperation in designing and operating the ISS accumulated over years when the ISS life cycle is over.
    Russia’s lunar plans

    Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said that on presidential instructions work had begun on technical documents for creating an extra-heavy space rocket that will make it possible to start creating a visitable or inhabitable research laboratory in the Moon’s orbit.

    In the spring of 2016 it was announced that Russia’s Energia and the United States’ Boeing corporation were working jointly on two concepts of a lunar station - two smaller livable modules or one larger module. The current proposal is NASA’s future SLS super-heavy space rocket would be used to take lunar station components and crew to an orbit around the Moon. If the multi-modular project is selected, the modules will be launched in combination with a US spacecraft Orion (also being developed by NASA).

    In either case the station will have a crew of four. The duration of space missions will last 30 to 360 days. Missions to the Moon will be dispatched once a year.

    Energia’s proposal is to start creating an orbital lunar platform at the end of 2022 and to send the first crew to it in the first half of 2025. Earlier reports said Russia hoped to see its first cosmonaut on the Moon in 2031.


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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:58 pm

    Russian astronomer discovers new comet using his own cutting-edge telescope

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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:05 am

    Looks like there are issues in rocket manufacturing at Voronezh , specifically claims of a material substitution scam with lower-cost but less heat-resistant metals being used in engines (turobopump shafts?) and leading to numerous emission losses due to engine failure.  Kommersant  has reported that RosCosmos is recalling all engines for Proton 2nd & 3rd stages. Shocked

    Only libtard sources available so far, but it sounds very plausible, and explains the loss of both Mexsat-1 and Express AM4R, as well as the recent Progress MS-04.

    https://themoscowtimes.com/news/experts-check-russian-rocket-engines-for-low-quality-metal-56918
    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/proton_2017.html

    If this is genuine, they need to catch the c*nts responsible and make a clear example of them.  Despicable corrupt b*stards.... angry
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    Post  Project Canada on Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:56 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Looks like there are issues in rocket manufacturing at Voronezh , specifically claims of a material substitution scam with lower-cost but less heat-resistant metals being used in engines (turobopump shafts?) and leading to numerous emission losses due to engine failure.  Kommersant  has reported that RosCosmos is recalling all engines for Proton 2nd & 3rd stages.  Shocked

    Only libtard sources available so far, but it sounds very plausible, and explains the loss of both Mexsat-1 and Express AM4R, as well as the recent Progress MS-04.

    https://themoscowtimes.com/news/experts-check-russian-rocket-engines-for-low-quality-metal-56918
    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/proton_2017.html

    If this is genuine, they need to catch the c*nts responsible and make a clear example of them.  Despicable corrupt b*stards....  angry

    I would say such activities is tantamount to Treason! Indeed the authorities need to make a strong example to these scumbags! A life imprisonment without parole in a remote siberian neo gulag is a good start. Twisted Evil cause a slap in the wrist kind of sentence (2 or less years in prison) will not make this kind of sabotage go away. FSB should also run a background check on the perpetrators to learn if their scheme is being directed abroad by foreign powers to cause as much havoc to Russian space industry.
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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  Rmf on Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:08 pm

    of course this was obvious with anyone who knows a thing or two about space program, i and some others here were right, we were talking about backward ,corrupt ,inefficient  russias space program has become ,only to be insulted here ,but that cant change hard facts -  0 launches of angara in 2016 , -0 ,aaaand now proton aaand no angara launch yet for 2017 also!!!

    putins media might try to silence things but the news is already out....., will things change - too many lobbies there probably not!!!!
    So Russias space program will fade away slowly but surely.
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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:04 pm

    You are a retard. Russia may face issues but this isn't making them fade away. Amount of money they have now is far greater than roscosmos had in the 90's.

    You stupidity is showing again.
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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  Project Canada on Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:13 pm

    Rmf wrote:
    putins media might try to silence things but the news is already out....., will things change - too many lobbies there probably not!!!!

    Why would Putin choose to "Silence things" instead of rooting out the Saboteurs in the space industry? And what Lobbies are you referring to?
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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:20 pm

    Project Canada wrote:
    Rmf wrote:
    putins media might try to silence things but the news is already out....., will things change - too many lobbies there probably not!!!!

    Why would Putin choose to "Silence things" instead of rooting out the Saboteurs in the space industry? And what Lobbies are you referring to?

    he is making shit up.

    First off, Putin doesn't silence anything. That much is obvious. If I have to point it out for you, then euthanasia isn't such a bad concept.

    Second, no lobbies. It is just pure corruption of the plant itself. Almaz antey also gets issues at various of its plants even if the company itself isn't a problem.

    What children like rmf think is that of a company is working on something and doesn't produce in a year or two, its done for. What he fails to grasp though is that isn't how things work. ANGARA IS PURELY Russian and has its issues rooting out. It will take time. Its mission will be the same and purpose is just. Its customer is Russian government and agencies. Which are not ready to launch much anyway thanks to import substitution taking time. I heard same shit about Russia's mic and look at it now, thriving. I think people here are too childish and have a memory + logical deduction skills that of a rodent.
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    Re: Russia: Space News and Discussion #2

    Post  Rmf on Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:46 pm

    dont listen to that idiot i just turn him off hes useless cunt just cant stfu with moronic explanations.
    maybe not putin himself  but someone else down the line and media dont want to badmouth government.
    angara is 20 years in the making and still problems and no production let alone mass production  Laughing  
    imagine how many expensive machines have been bought from abroad to assemble angara modules , just collecting dust and rust.
    its a fiasco every cent is important for a roscosmos limited budget but throwing money into money pit and someones pockets for decades is justified by some imbeciles here.

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