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    wilhelm

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    Re: Forward-swept wing prototype aircrafts

    Post  wilhelm on Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:24 pm



    I know it is being considered as a light jet trainer, positioned between the Yak 152 and 130...but I notice that there is basically very little place for weapons/weapons pylons/cannon pack.
    By weapons, I don't just mean 2 or 4 pylons for weapons, or a cannon pack for in the light ground attack role...but also for actual training in ground attack.
    The L-39 had the option, and I would have assumed that this would be a feature if it is to be also aimed at possibly trying to secure a few exports in replacing ageing L-39's...
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    Forward-swept wing prototype aircrafts

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:46 pm

    I suspect for the Russian market that the L39, while having weapon carrying capability would likely just use the SR-10 for its low operational costs and low airframe cost as a semi expendible step between a turboprop aircraft and a not cheap sophisticated jet trainer.

    The SR10 in this case saves money when the pilot transitions from a turboprop aircraft to a multi engined light jet... it is a step up in speed and performance, in a low cost aircraft that is cheaper to run and operate.

    I doubt they would do any weapon training in the L39 in the Russian AF, and simulation weapon training is much cheaper and will likely become more common as well.

    I am sure a belly pod could be added to the SR-10 to allow simulation of weapon and weapon targeting pod use without the actual cost of expending weapons.

    In terms of export potential that makes it more attractive as a training aircraft, though less attractive as an operation trainer that you could use as a light armed aircraft.

    I would suspect a belly mounted targeting pod and wing tip R-73s would be a fairly potent little short range dog fighter.


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    Re: Forward-swept wing prototype aircrafts

    Post  George1 on Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:10 pm

    The project of an unmanned aircraft based on the CP-10 aircraft

    At the MAKS-2017 International Aviation and Space Salon held in Zhukovsky, LLC Modern Aircraft Technologies Design Bureau (KB SAT) presented information about the project of the AR-10 "Argument" unmanned aerial vehicle developed on the basis of the well-known light jet Training aircraft CP-10. The first prototype of the CP-10 is now being tested and also demonstrated at MAKS-2017.




    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2743742.html


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    Re: Forward-swept wing prototype aircrafts

    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:18 am

    That is an interesting idea... a small light aircraft that allows a pilot to test its flight envelope but then you take out the crew compartment and create a UCAV.

    A modern EO system mounted in the nose and a belly mounted internal rotary launcher with say 8-12 Manpad tubes or ATGM missile tubes and a light cannon like a GSh-23-2.

    A low cost light ground attack platform with air to air capability too.

    With Igla-S or Verba missiles internally it could engage targets like enemy helos and enemy UAVs and UCAVs or take out columns of enemy vehicles fairly cheaply with laser beam riding Krisantema missiles with HE warheads.

    In fact you could carry a mix of HEAT and HE Frag warhead models and perhaps even have a mix of weapons... so 6 Krisantema missiles with two carrying HEAT warheads and 4 with HE warheads for unarmoured targets and 6 Verba missiles for any air threats the aircraft comes across.

    the internal mount means no extra drag when armed... of course wingtip mounted forward looking sensors and fuel tanks could be fitted too.


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    Re: Forward-swept wing prototype aircrafts

    Post  T-47 on Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:13 pm

    GarryB wrote:That is an interesting idea... a small light aircraft that allows a pilot to test its flight envelope but then you take out the crew compartment and create a UCAV.

    A modern EO system mounted in the nose and a belly mounted internal rotary launcher with say 8-12 Manpad tubes or ATGM missile tubes and a light cannon like a GSh-23-2.

    A low cost light ground attack platform with air to air capability too.

    With Igla-S or Verba missiles internally it could engage targets like enemy helos and enemy UAVs and UCAVs or take out columns of enemy vehicles fairly cheaply with laser beam riding Krisantema missiles with HE warheads.

    In fact you could carry a mix of HEAT and HE Frag warhead models and perhaps even have a mix of weapons... so 6 Krisantema missiles with two carrying HEAT warheads and 4 with HE warheads for unarmoured targets and 6 Verba missiles for any air threats the aircraft comes across.

    the internal mount means no extra drag when armed... of course wingtip mounted forward looking sensors and fuel tanks could be fitted too.

    Why Igla or Verba? Why not R-73? Same goes for ATGMs, why ground based ATGMs instead of air based like Ataka etc.?
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    Re: Forward-swept wing prototype aircrafts

    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:58 am

    Why Igla or Verba? Why not R-73?

    For use against enemy UAVs it becomes a numbers and money game... Igla or Verba would be cheaper and would fit on an internal rotary launcher better than the R-73 or R-60MK.

    The universal launcher could carry the tubes of MANPADS or ATGMs.

    Same goes for ATGMs, why ground based ATGMs instead of air based like Ataka etc.?

    Krisantema is replacing the Shturm and Ataka as the standard light ATGM for the Mi-28MN AFAIK.

    It also has the advantage of a long sealed tube launcher that could be made compatible with the Igla/Verba rotary launcher that I made up.

    The key is low cost so ATAKA or even Shturm could easily be used... especially in the HE Frag models while there are still stocks of them available.


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