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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  Project Canada on Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:47 am




    Ukrainian Conflict Partly Responsible for US Anti-Russian Spy Bill

    US-Russian tensions over the Ukraine crisis contributed to efforts in Congress to resurrect a program initially designed to catch Soviet spies, former CIA and US National Intelligence Council officer Paul Pillar told Sputnik.

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — On Wednesday, BuzzFeed News, citing intelligence sources, reported that the US Senate Intelligence Committee proposed a bill to re-establish a Cold War-era interagency committee to counter Russian espionage activities on US soil.


    In this case, Russia must retaliate 10x more severely so no American dog (spies) is left alive in Russia russia

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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  kvs on Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:39 am

    Project Canada wrote:


    Ukrainian Conflict Partly Responsible for US Anti-Russian Spy Bill

    US-Russian tensions over the Ukraine crisis contributed to efforts in Congress to resurrect a program initially designed to catch Soviet spies, former CIA and US National Intelligence Council officer Paul Pillar told Sputnik.

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — On Wednesday, BuzzFeed News, citing intelligence sources, reported that the US Senate Intelligence Committee proposed a bill to re-establish a Cold War-era interagency committee to counter Russian espionage activities on US soil.


    In this case, Russia must retaliate 10x more severely so no American dog (spies) is left alive in Russia  russia


    Yes, Russia better capitalize on this neo-McCarthy hysteria. It is a joke really as there are no Russian spies in the US trying to engineer
    regime change. However, the US spends at least $100 million per year trying to foist regime change on Russia. All of the US spies in Russia
    need to be exposed, prosecuted and either incarcerated or shipped off to NATO. Spies are not just some James Bond myth, they include
    all the 5th column liberast dirtbags who are eager to sell out their country to suck up to their utopian ideals (instead of just packing their
    bags and moving to their perceived paradises). There are still way too many US spy outfits called "NGOs" that need to be shut down in
    Russia.

    Russia must adopt mirror legislation to that the US is imposing. It will at least have real utility in Russia. In the US it is nothing more than
    a witch hunt.
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  George1 on Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:37 am

    NATO Assured USSR of No Plans to Expand Eastward in Early 1990s - Ex-Soviet FM

    The Soviet Union received in the early 1990s assurance from NATO that the alliance would not expand toward the USSR border, the last Soviet foreign minister, Boris Pankin, said.

    STOCKHOLM (Sputnik) — The Warsaw Pact on collective defense between the USSR and seven satellite states in Eastern and Central Europe was terminated in 1991, nine months before the collapse of the Soviet Union itself. The Council for Mutual Economic Assistance that also included the USSR and its Eastern and Central European allies, as well as some other communist states, ceased to exist also in 1991. The withdrawal of Soviet forces from Easter Europe was expected to be completed within two years by late 1990.

    "The thing is that when all these steps were taken while [Mikhail] Gorbachev was in power — the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact, and the dissolution of the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance, and the withdrawal of troops [from Eastern Europe in the late 1980s] — all of it was perceived positively, that's how naive people were… And they assured that reciprocal steps were and would be taken. As for NATO, such promises were given to me as well," Pankin said in an interview to RIA Novosti.

    Pankin, who served as the USSR ambassador to Czechoslovakia in 1990-1991, said then German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher admitted to him once they felt "a great pressure from Eastern European new regimes," that were members of neither the European Union nor NATO at the time. Genscher said there was great pressure, with Eastern European countries willing to join Western alliances, while Western states did not want them to join the blocs at the moment.

    According to Pankin, Genscher was one of the first of Western officials who shared with him thoughts on transforming NATO from a purely military bloc into a military-political alliance.

    Moscow currently maintains that NATO’s eastward expansion undermines the European security architecture and threatens Russian national security.

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160819/1044422573/nato-assured-ussr-no-plans-expand-eastward.html


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    THE BATTLE BETWEEN TWO WORLDS

    Post  par far on Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:05 pm

    "Today we live in a time of dramatic global conflict. The two warring camps are clearly shaped. One camp is headed by the United States and the other one by Russia. So, where are the roots of the conflict and what are they fighting for? Many people are confused because it is not entirely clear. To understand the essence of the events, we need to know that, as always in history, there is a clash of ideas before the battlefield. There is an incompatibility of vision on what the order in the world and the future of humanity should be. This applies to the events of today.

    Let’s look at some widely circulated explanations before we find the answer. According to some, the conflict is between the presidents of the US and Russia. However, this is not serious. Others argue that we are witnessing a war between Christianity and radical Islam. Or, that it is a battle of the progressive forces against terrorism. These statements do not correspond to the truth. Essentially, today’s conflict is neither religious nor national. Religious, national and ethnic differences between people are only a means to prevail over the opponents. The logo for the war against terrorism is also a cover for achieving certain goals. More truth lies in the assertion that there is a clash between the global policies of the US and Russia, but this response also slides across the surface. The policies of these two countries are simply an expression of the ideas and interests of different forces. Another opinion is that in today’s world there is a huge gap between the rich and the poor. The battle is between the oligarchs and the robbed, between the enslaved and the tyrants. There is some truth in this, but we have to clarify. It is about the struggle of ordinary people against the power of the big-bank-capital and powerful transnational corporations. It is true, but it does not completely reach the essence of things. The truth is that today the world is burning in an epic, titanic conflict. Two diametrically opposed worlds grappled in a fierce battle of life and death; the battle for the minds of the man of the future. It is the most important battle in which all methods and means are allowed. How we live and how our descendants’ generations will live after us depends on the outcome of this grand battle. But what are these worlds??

    The contours of the first world are already outlined clearly. This will be a world in which the world’s population will be placed under full control: people will be monitored, wiretapped and spied on in various ways. All national, cultural, racial and other differences between them will be erased. Everything human will be irretrievably broken: 99% of people on the planet will be reduced to their animal functions. This gray mass will serve a corporate planetary ‘elite’, limited in size, out of touch with reality, that will rule forever. George Orwell in ‘1984’ has described precisely this world order: “A world of fear, treachery and torment, a world in which you trample others and they trample you, a world that in the process of improving will be not less but more ruthless. The progress in our world will be progress towards more pain. The past civilizations claimed to be based on love and justice. Ours is based on hatred. In our world there will be no other emotions except fear, rage, triumph and self-abasement. We will destroy all the rest, everything. We are already destroying the mentality from before the revolution. We broke the bonds between parents and children, between a man and another man, between man and woman. No one dares to trust a husband, a child or a friend. In the future, there will be no wives and friends. Children will be taken away from their mothers at birth like the egg is taken from the chicken.” And again: “There will be no love, except the Big Brother love. There will be no laughter, except for triumphant exultation over the vanquished foe. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we become omnipotent we will no longer have a need for science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always – do not forget this, Winston – always there will be the intoxication of power, which will gradually grow and develop. Always, at any time, the excitement of victory will dominate the sensation of trampling the hapless foe. If you want to imagine the future, imagine a boot, smashing a human face – forever.” But Orwell was wrong about one thing: the described world will not be built on socialism as he had predicted. This world will be built on capitalism because capitalism enshrines selfishness and greed and tears apart relationships between people. Does it look terrifying?? You think that all this cannot happen? You are mistaken. Most terrible things happen precisely when no one believes they will happen; when no one assumes that people are able to fall below the level of the animals; when the good people do nothing. Now, think about this. When was the last time you spoke to your parents? Do you know the neighbor living on your floor? How long ago did you read a book? Have you recently done something good without expecting anything in return? Can you not see that today we are all like sleepwalkers, clinging for survival? Can you not see that the connections between people have largely been broken, even marriage has turned into a mutually beneficial deal? Do you still think that everything described cannot happen?? Not only is it possible; this world is materializing before our eyes. And there is no magic in achieving it as powerful corporate interests are doing everything possible to make it a reality.

    The second world is the complete opposite of the first. The people in this world are different. Cultural, national, religious, racial and other differences, however, will not prevent people across the planet to live in peace and understanding with each other. People will help each other and be empathetic to others’ pain; respecting each other. The natural human bonds between parents and children, between spouses and friends will be honored. People will feel love for the clan and the country, for his family and everyone else. Greed, selfishness and arrogance will not be tolerated. This will be a world in which the words ‘honor and dignity’ will have meaning. The managers of this society will not seek personal gain but will work for the good of all people. All important public issues will be resolved through direct democracy and respect for the views of every member of society. In this world, there will be relatively poor and relatively rich, but no one will die from hunger or cold, no one will be exploited. There will be equal opportunities for all, everyone will have access to free education and health, and the natural resources of the planet will be used wisely and with consideration for the future generations. This will be a world that will develop art and a taste for the beautiful and the good. There will be a difference between beauty and ugliness, between talent and banality. This world will develop knowledge and science to make people’s lives better and not to devise methods of destruction and keeping fellows under control. This will be a world of high technology and high morale, a world in which the people will live like brothers and wars will be left in the past. This world can become a reality. Its creation is not as impossible as people make it out. But in order to have this world, we must first ask for it. We must ask to live in this world and we should be ready to fight for it.

    These two worlds now fight for a place under the sun. If you look around more carefully, you will see elements of both. Sometimes the dividing line is very thin as any group in a cafe may belong to a different world. However, this cannot continue forever. Whether we want it or not, only one world order will remain. There cannot be and will not be a compromise. This is where the conflict of our time lies. It is still not yet clear who will be the winner, but it is clear that in this battle, no man shall remain unaffected. Today, everyone must make a choice. Each of one of us must choose which of the two worlds to support and for what future to fight. I made my choice. It is time for you to choose yours".


    https://southfront.org/the-battle-between-two-worlds/


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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  George1 on Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:59 pm

    MOSCOW, April 27. /TASS/. MOSCOW, April 27. /TASS/. The current phase of the ideological confrontation is at times worse than during the Cold War, Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service chief Sergey Naryshkin said at the 6th Moscow Conference on International Security on Thursday.

    "The current phase of the ideological confrontation is tense and nearing the intensity of emotions during the Cold War, and is sometimes worse," Naryshkin said.

    The difference is that this ideology is advanced not by the eastern bloc, but by the present-day Western elites, which do not want to give up a neo-liberal and globalist approach, he said.

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    http://tass.com/politics/943501


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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  George1 on Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:54 pm

    New US policy towards Cuba means return to Cold War — Russia’s Foreign Ministry

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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  andalusia on Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:02 am

    Future conflict between USA and Russia/China? I think if America continues to act aggressive toward Russia that Russia will react violently.

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/09/08/laughing-way-armageddon-paul-craig-roberts/
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:42 am

    Putin is not stupid enough to start an armed conflict with the US.... he knows there would be no winner there.

    Can't say I trust Trump wont do something stupid though...


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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  kvs on Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:52 pm

    GarryB wrote:Putin is not stupid enough to start an armed conflict with the US.... he knows there would be no winner there.

    Can't say I trust Trump wont do something stupid though...

    I agree. He has been "turned". Various "experts" from the Pentagon must have convinced him that the US ABM has rendered
    the Russian nuclear arsenal impotent. What a sick joke! But such is the rot in modern day Rome. History repeats itself
    in all the aspects that matter.
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:42 pm

    I think the lack of shooting down NK missiles over Japan and the fact NK keeps launching missiles is a wake up call to most in America that they have been duped. Trump, Nickie Hailey, McMaster and the like shot their mouths off and exposed themselves far too early and showed their hands at the start. They didn't expect someone to call them out on their bluff. Examples would be Trump and crews claims of the aircraft carriers headed to NK. In the end, they didn't make it there. Then it was about how they will shoot down NK missiles that they (NK) test, then moved THAAD and SM-3 to Japan. No missiles were shot down since. That was when NK called out US' bluff. Now the next bluff is that "we will destroy NK if they attack our allies" and "we have the capabilities, we just can't say how, on neutralizing NK threat before they can retaliate against South Korea or Japan". We of course know that they don't. In today's age of technology, nothing is secret. And in the end, even with all the Tomahawks and Minutemen that they have to devastate NK, we know, they know, everyone knows NK has a ridiculous amount of hidden bunkers, tunnels and bases underground and its mountainous regions which act as natural protection. We know Iran has underground missile facilities, well it is guaranteed so does NK. In this regard, there is no guarantee the US can strike NK without any blowback from NK towards SKorea and Japan. Because if there wouldn't be, and US was certain, then they would have already done the attack. So that is their latest bluff.

    The best part of all of this is that now this becomes obvious to everyone. What US blunder with running their mouth has done is got China and Russia closer, gave NK guarantee that having Nukes is the ultimate decision and that they will not end up like Libya and Iraq by having them, and gave Russia prime realization that the US is a lot weaker than they make themselves out to be. Of course they already knew that before hand, but this time the US has shown it by exposing itself.

    The only danger here though is that US may talk itself into a corner (already has) and may lash out and cause a real conflict. But if they do it, it will be against North Korea cause they will hedge their bets against them rather than Russia or China because they know the other two are far better equipped and prepared.

    Only trump card the US has left is Ukraine, and that is against Russia. But they know that card is more of a wild card and could work against them too.
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  kvs on Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:03 pm

    I agree with most of your assessment, but Ukraine is a failed state nothing. By leaving it alone (with the exception of assisting
    the Donbass), Russia is following a policy that has neutered Washington's "trump card". Washington and its EU minions really
    thought Russia would invade Ukraine. That would have been a serious quagmire and would have given NATO the ultimate
    raison d'etre. Letting the retards in Kiev huff and puff while the economy flushes into the toilet is an epic counter-measure.
    I seriously doubt Ukraine will attack Russia (including Crimea). They are so pathetically weak that they have zero chances of
    even moving enough men across the border.

    You mentioned that supposedly Ukraine will see a 2% GDP growth in 2017. This has got to be one of the biggest frauds ever.
    Ukraine's economy has to be shrinking since it is de-industrializing fast (Antonov, Motor-Sich, Zorya-Stroimash, etc). There
    is no way that agriculture and IT (games development) can be growing fast enough to offset these losses. And then we have
    the importing of coal. That is a major negative hit on the GDP but it entails falling production and power generation which
    amplify the GDP drop. A credible GDP growth figure would be between -5% and -10%.

    As Ukraine's GDP shrivels up, the power of the Kiev regime does too. I think that sometime in the next 10 years there will
    be a counter-coup.
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:01 pm

    kvs wrote:I agree with most of your assessment, but Ukraine is a failed state nothing.    By leaving it alone (with the exception of assisting
    the Donbass), Russia is following a policy that has neutered Washington's "trump card".    Washington and its EU minions really
    thought Russia would invade Ukraine.   That would have been a serious quagmire and would have given NATO the ultimate
    raison d'etre.    Letting the retards in Kiev huff and puff while the economy flushes into the toilet is an epic counter-measure.
    I seriously doubt Ukraine will attack Russia (including Crimea).   They are so pathetically weak that they have zero chances of
    even moving enough men across the border.  

    You mentioned that supposedly Ukraine will see a 2% GDP growth in 2017.   This has got to be one of the biggest frauds ever.
    Ukraine's economy has to be shrinking since it is de-industrializing fast (Antonov, Motor-Sich, Zorya-Stroimash, etc).   There
    is no way that agriculture and IT (games development) can be growing fast enough to offset these losses.   And then we have
    the importing of coal.   That is a major negative hit on the GDP but it entails falling production and power generation which
    amplify the GDP drop.   A credible GDP growth figure would be between -5% and -10%.

    As Ukraine's GDP shrivels up, the power of the Kiev regime does too.   I think that sometime in the next 10 years there will
    be a counter-coup.      

    that's why I said GDP calculations are obsolete and do not reflect the reality on the ground of the countries well being.

    The amount of Ukrainian land being sold to foreign private companies is rather large, so I am assuming they added those numbers to their GDP growth in froms of "FDI", but essentially, it is removing your own land from your own structure into someone else's. Ukraine can be a headache for Russia if they do decide to attack if given OK from US (Georgia did), but that conflict won't work in Ukraine's favor. Issue is still it would cause death.

    We are entering a time now were we may see a massive transition to a real multipolar world were we no longer see USD as a trading currency outside of deals without US involvement. We may see countries once again doing their own business relations regardless what someone else says or thinks. US is losing its touch because they didn't forsee China doing its own thing. They figured they could make China like Japan - a vassal.

    US could nation build Ukraine, but it will be difficult due to corruption. And this is what I fear may happen - US will allow murders to continue till they have sufficient people left in charge, and then build these people up and then ultimately take full control of Ukraine's economy and well, turn Ukraine into its true vassal like Japan and South Korea.
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:02 am

    Yeah.... If the US can't fix itself why would anyone think they could fix the Ukraine?

    They fixed Japan and Germany by investing a lot of money on new infrastructure and factories and got the people working... the clay they had to work with was rather different... and the money from Europe had just pretty much been transfered to the US to pay for the damage WWII had just caused.

    I doubt the Americans who voted Trump in will stand for him fixing the Ukraine and not the US...


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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  andalusia on Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:05 am

    I know that this is a little off topic for this section but I want to know do other countries play the national anthem at the beginning of every single local high school, college and professional sporting events? There was an athlete here in USA that refused to stand for the anthem to protest police brutality. Every high school, college and professional sporting event here in USA starts off with the national anthem. Please tell me your opinions please.

    People here in the US say that when you don't stand for the national anthem, you are disrespecting the troops who fought for your right to the First Amendment and so you can be free. Is this propanganda? Do you think it is stupid to play the national anthem at sporting events that are not of an international flavor like Olympics and World Cup?

    I know Russians who play in the NHL who stand and respect the anthem of the US despite the USA's hostile policy toward Russia.
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:33 am

    To be honest I rather doubt most US soldiers are fighting for anyone but themselves and their own family... and certainly not to save US rights.

    Having said that don't you think they would applaud someone who believed in something so much they would do something out of the ordinary as a sign of protest to draw attention to it.

    Whether it is against police brutality or the current generation of politicians being slaves to big business and not the actual people of the US, some things need to be discussed.

    You can play anything you like any time you like don't expect everyone to accept it and follow orders.... some people just aren't wired that way.

    As for playing the national anthem all the time... sounds kinda sad really, but if that is what you guys do then I wont stop you.


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