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    Alleged foreign underwater vessels in Swedish territory.

    Post  fredleander on Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:17 pm


    You most certainly have followed the uproar about "aliens" in Swedish coastal waters recently. This has resulted in a general trend in Sweden, and the West, to see new threats arising from the "East". Nobody's talking about the threat against the East.

    What suprises me a little is that no (that I have seen) comparisons are made between the recent development and what took place before WW2 started. We have seen the US and their supporters edging themselves onto the Russian borders just like what happened then. Hitler sought partners on Balkan and the Baltic. He positioned himself by invading Poland, Yugoslavia and Greece. Romania and Bulgaria cooperated with him. Finland was hostile after the Winter War 1939-40. Norway and Denmark were occupied. Turkey was under the spell of the British. Czechia was taken over by Germany. And Hitler had Eastern Prussia.

    Today the "West" has almost exactly the same position as the German dictator had then. This probably wouldn't have mattered so much it it wasn't for the fact that when Russia is working itself up from the  deep depression after the break-up of the Soviet Union, it is seen as "expansionist" and aggressive. Even if it's just trying clamber itself back to a reasonable position in the world.

    I only hope Sweden and Finland are able to keep their heads cool and not let themselves be used for vicarious motifs by other states.

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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  kvs on Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:12 am

    The Swedish media has been in pure hysteria mode. It looks like the politicians put pressure on the navy to look for this non-existent
    mini-submarine in response to the media hystria. It all started when some clowns claimed to have seen and photographed the "object".
    Of course, they had no actual proof and from there the media ran with this story. The most inane part was the ridiculous claim that a
    Russian submarine sent an unencoded distress signal.

    What a pile of BS is this story. A mini-sub requires support from other ships in the area or from land bases. None of these are or
    were present in the area. There is also nothing of interest on the Swedish seabed that Russia would send some mini-sub to spy
    on "something". Any sonar nets, etc, are old news and have been there since the cold war era.

    The similarities to the 1930s are there. But I think that bases are a military dinosaur. NATO can put as many of them around
    Russia as it wants. The only issue is missile systems. The so-called missile shield needs a proper response.
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:16 am

    Entire EU and scandinavian countries are vassals of the US and will do as their master tells them to do. That means the war propaganda against russia will be pitched up over time more and more untill those stupid little countries will burn their hands.
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:27 am

    Fred,

    I always compare the current world war with the other world wars. I have here often compared the current stage of the current world war with the Phoney War stage of the previous "world war" (or the world smoke and mirrors).

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    Russia’s post 1999 Revival and its forging Alliances with China, India and the other BRICS Has Alarmed the US

    Post  Austin on Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:13 pm



    Russia’s post 1999 Revival and its forging Alliances with China, India and the other BRICS Has Alarmed the US



    After 7-8 August 2008, when the Georgian leadership, with US support, attempted to annihilate South Ossetia, the world once again changed substantially. 
    Everything was staked on surprise. The Georgian dictator believed that a military incursion on the opening day of the international Olympic Games would put Russia in a difficult position, and the Georgians, taking advantage of this, would carry out their “blitzkrieg”. However, the Russian leadership reacted promptly to the sharp deterioration in the situation and the necessary measures were adopted to halt the aggression.

    After the August events in the Caucasus, Washington was clearly alarmed by Russia’s obvious intention to take its place among the world powers of the 21st century and uphold the principle of equal opportunities and full autonomy in global politics. And also to convert the state’s financial income from the exploitation of natural resources into real economic and defence potential and human capital.

    The American leadership clearly also disliked the prospects of Russia’s collaboration with China and India, the introduction of the practice of summits in the BRICS format, the successful activity of other organizations in which Russia occupies leading positions (the CSTO [Collective Security Treaty Organization], the SCO [Shanghai Cooperation Organization], and the EAEC [Eurasian Economic Community]), and the formation of the Customs Union.


    In the context of the growing world financial and economic crisis, major new players in the international arena such as the PRC, India, Brazil, and Iran as well as the growing economies of Southeast Asia and South Korea became increasingly significant factors for the United States. Hence, incidentally, the emergence of new conceptual principles such as the American-Chinese special partnership, the strategic collaboration between the United States and India, the establishment of direct dialogue between Washington and Iran, and so forth.


    Indications of the need to resume the beneficial dialogue with Russia on a whole range of issues began to emerge from the new administration of President Barack Obama. This positive inclination on the part of the American authorities could only be welcomed.


    However, it soon became clear that Washington is not inclined towards real cooperation. It confined itself to mere statements of friendliness and the devising of certain negotiation tracks from which the benefit to Russia, in the end, proved almost zero. After a while even totally nonbinding positive dialogues of this kind came to an end and the US attitude towards our country began once again to be reminiscent of cold war times.

    The US aims to gain Control of Russia’s Energy, Food and Water Resources to Seal its Domination


    ……specialists are certain that no real substitute for hydrocarbons as the basis of power generation will emerge in the next few decades. Furthermore the understanding prevails in the West that the total capacity of nuclear, hydro, wind, solar, and other power stations will meet no more than one-fifth of world demand.
    Nor should another important aspect be forgotten. In the modern world we can observe a steady growth in the shortage of food and drinking water for the growing population of the planet. The absence of the most elementary means of existence pushes desperate people into manifestations of extremism and involvement in terrorism, piracy, and crime. This is one reason for the acute conflicts between countries and regions and also for mass migration.


    The shortage of water and irrigated land is not infrequently the cause of friction, for instance, between the Central Asian republics. The problem of water resources is acute in a number of other countries in Asia and particularly in Africa.
    Many American experts, in particular former US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, assert that there are vast territories “under Moscow’s power” that it is incapable of exploiting and which therefore “do not serve the interests of all humanity”. Assertions continue to be heard about the “unfair” distribution of natural resources and the need to ensure so-called “free access” to them for other states.
    The Americans are convinced that people must be thinking in similar terms in many other states, particularly those neighbouring on Russia, and that in the future they will, as is nowadays the custom, form “coalitions” to support the corresponding claims on our country. As in the case of Ukraine, it is proposed to resolve problems at Russia’s expense but without taking its interests into account.

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    Cold War II

    Post  George1 on Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:37 am

    The Second Cold War, also known as Cold War II or the New Cold War, is a term used for the renewed ongoing tensions, hostilities, and political rivalry between the Russian Federation (beginning under the Obama and Putin administrations) against the United States and the European Union (or entities such as the G7 and NATO)

    Background

    The conflict follows 23 years after the first Cold War ended, which was fought between the United States and the Soviet Union and took place over much of the 20th century, finally ending in December 1991 following the collapse of the Soviet Union. These tensions have gradually escalated over the course of the early 21st century, beginning with NATO expansion into eastern Europe. Russia voiced deep concern over NATO enlargement into former Soviet spheres of influence, as well as concern over the United States national missile defense program feeling both NATO expansion and the US missile defense program as a threat to Russian national security. Russia stated if the USA were to deploy an ABM shield in Poland and Czech Republic, then Russia would respond by deploying Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad. Relations between Russia and the United States were further exacerbated by the 2008 Russo-Georgian War. Relations reached their lowest levels in early 2014 when the Ukrainian government was toppled during the 2014 Ukrainian revolution. During the aftermath of the revolution Russia annexed Crimea, and by August 2014, relations between the United States, European Union, and Russia were claimed to have deteriorated to a point "beyond repair."

    2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine and Syrian Civil War

    Although not strictly the beginning of the crisis, use of the term "Cold War II" and speculation over its appropriateness grew as tensions between Russia and the West escalated through the 2014 Russian military intervention in Ukraine, the Russian involvement in the 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine and the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, an action for which pro-Russian separatists were held responsible. By August 2014, both sides had implemented economic, financial, and diplomatic sanctions upon each other. Russia is temporarily suspended from the G8 following their annexation of the Crimean peninsula in March.[6] As such, the G8 summit originally planned to take place in Sochi, Russia earlier in June was cancelled; instead, an alternative G7 summit was held in Brussels, Belgium.


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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:44 am

    Looks like this time around the "developing" world will not be taken for a ride and will give Uncle Sam and its minions the middle finger. Brazil told
    the EU morons to f*ck off when they tried to put pressure on it not to sell produce that was blocked by Russia from the EU as
    part of retaliatory sanctions.

    There is no ideological basis to the new cold war. Russia is not spreading some sort of destabilization to the rest of the world. It is the
    USA that is exporting revolution and destabilization. I think the blowback will be severe for the USA and it will be the country that the
    "un-west" will try to contain.
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  George1 on Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:34 pm

    Putin: Russia has no plans to contest with West or build "Iron Curtain"

    MOSCOW, November 23. /TASS/. Russia is not planning to contest with Western countries or erect a new “Iron Curtain,” but the country will struggle for its geopolitical interests and develop its agenda, Russian President Vladimir Putin said in an interview with Andrei Vandenko, the author of the TASS project Top Officials.

    “We don’t need to contest. We simply don’t need to contest,” he said. “We simply need to calmly implement our agenda,” the president believes.

    Putin is calm about the attempts to pressure Russia from outside. “As soon as Russia rises to its feet, gets stronger and claims its right to defend its interests outside its territory, the attitude to the state and its leaders changes in the twinkle of an eye,” he said.

    He recalled how it was with Russia’s first president, Boris Yeltsin. “In the first stages, the world approved everything. The West received everything he did with unequivocal cheers. But as soon as he spoke up in defense of Yugoslavia, he immediately turned into a drinker and a carrier of all vices in the mind of the Westerners,” Putin reminded.

    “It’s an open secret, of course, that Yeltsin loved to give himself a damp. And was there anyone who did not know about it before? Everyone knew it, but it did not hinder his contacts with the world,” he added.

    “And as soon as the moment came to defend Russia’s interests in the Balkans and he stated it openly, he turned almost into an enemy of the West,” the president stated.

    According to Putin, today the similar situation is around Ukraine. “It is assumed that Russia has interests there but our right to defend them and the people living in those territories is denied,” he said.

    “We are told, why are you pressing forward with the idea of the Russian world all the time, what if people don’t want to live in it? No one is pressing forward with it, which doesn’t mean however that it does not exist,” Putin added.

    “But when Russia begins to speak about it and to defend people and its own interests, it turns into a bad guy at once,” the president said.

    “And do you think it’s the East of Ukraine that really matters? Does the problem lurk in our position on eastern Ukraine or Crimea? Not at all. Were it this particular pretext, any other would be found. And this has always been so,” he said.

    The president is confident that “we shouldn’t fan any passions over it on our side.”

    “One should understand: that’s how the world is functioning. It implies the struggle for geopolitical interests and, consequently, the nation’s significance, as well as the ability to generate a new economy, to resolve social problems, and to improve living standards,” Putin explained.

    “The struggle for geopolitical interests leads to the situation when a country either becomes stronger, resolving its financial, defense, economic and subsequently social issues more effectively, or slides into the category of third-, fifth-rate countries, losing a possibility to safeguard the interests of its people,” he stated.

    The president also said that Russia is not planning to fence itself off from the rest of the world and build new fences. “We are not and will be not,” he said. “We realize the malignity of the ‘iron curtain’ for us,” Putin said.

    “There were periods in the history of other countries, which tried to isolate themselves from the rest of the world and paid very dearly for that, practically by degradation and collapse. Undoubtedly we are not taking this path. And nobody is going to build a wall around us. It is impossible!” the president assured.
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:00 pm



    The west is declining relative to the rest of the world. A repeat of Cold War I will not happen.

    As long as Russia acts reasonably, most of the world will not join any Washington instigated crusade
    against it. This is already clear from the events of the last several months. Only NATO is foaming
    at the mount about "Russian invasion of Ukraine". China and India recognized the "annexation" of
    Crimea from the beginning.

    We'll see how long Washington is huffing and puffing when its shale bubble bursts. The US is
    a major energy importer (it is not exporting oil as claimed by various ridiculous media reports,
    it exports some refined products but still needs to import 8 million barrels per day of oil). Washington
    has pushed its quislings in the EU to shoot themselves in the head by sabotaging the South Stream
    project. Supposedly the USA will be shipping "cheap" LNG to Europe and China and the Martians.
    BS. It does not have enough natural gas reserves to start exporting, it is a natural gas importing
    nation. LNG will never be cheap.
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:17 pm

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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  Zacch-07 on Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:54 pm

    I stumbled across this detailed piece several days ago. All the talks about New Cold War will not end well for both, but will even be worse for the United States.
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  kvs on Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:19 pm

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/09/washingtons-frozen-war-against-russia/

    Worse Than Cold War

    The neocons who manipulate America’s clueless politicians have not got us into a new Cold War. It is much worse. The long rivalry with the Soviet Union was “Cold” because of MAD, Mutual Assured Destruction. Both Washington and Moscow were perfectly aware that “Hot” war meant nuclear exchanges that would destroy everybody.

    This time around, the United States thinks it already “won” the Cold War and seems to be drunk with self-confidence that it can win again. It is upgrading its nuclear weapons force and building a “nuclear shield” on Russia’s border whose only purpose can be to give the United States a first strike capacity – the ability to knock out any Russian retaliation against a U.S. nuclear attack. This cannot work, but it weakens deterrence.

    The danger of outright war between the two nuclear powers is actually much greater than during the Cold War. We are now in a sort of Frozen War, because nothing the Russians say or do can have any effect. The neocons who manufacture U.S. policy behind the scenes have invented a totally fictional story about Russian “aggression” which the President of the United States, the mass media and now the Congress have accepted and endorsed. Russian leaders have responded with honesty, truth and common sense, remaining calm despite the invective thrown at them. It has done no good whatsoever. The positions are frozen. When reason fails, force follows. Sooner or later.
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  George1 on Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:07 am

    OPEC, Russia in 'Cold War' Over Falling Oil Prices
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:24 pm

    Moscow, US End Nuclear Cooperation Program

    Moscow reportedly told the US that it no longer needs assistance in safeguarding its nuclear sites, according to the Boston Globe.

    MOSCOW, January 20 (Sputnik) – Moscow has decided to end its nuclear cooperation program with the US, saying that it no longer needs assistance in safeguarding nuclear sites located in Russia, the Boston Globe reported, citing unnamed sources familiar with the situation.

    The decision was made late last year, the newspaper says, citing a three-page agreement signed at the meeting held on December 16. According to the newspaper, officials from the US Department of Energy, the US Department of State and the Pentagon, as well as high-ranking Russian officials took part in the meeting.

    The agreement put an end to Russia-US cooperation in protecting weapons-grade uranium and plutonium from being stolen or sold, the newspaper said. The United State has allegedly invested approximately $2 billion in the joint program. Several initiatives were expected to continue at least through 2018.

    The partnership, which had existed between the two countries under a host of Cooperative Threat Reduction programs, had been the most effective form of US-Russian cooperation since the end of the Cold War in the 1990s, according to the Boston Globe.

    The United States reportedly helped Russia destroy huge quantities of weapons-grade nuclear materials – enough to build hundreds of bombs, the newspaper said. It also assisted in equipping Russian nuclear storage facilities with security systems.

    Cooperation between Russia and the United States was frozen across many spheres following Crimea's reunification with Russia. Moscow has denied this allegation, saying the move received the backing of the absolute majority of people in Crimea, most of whom are ethnic Russians.
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:44 am

    Bulgaria: 'NATO will use us to attack Crimea' - Ataka's Siderov
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  kvs on Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:38 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Bulgaria: 'NATO will use us to attack Crimea' - Ataka's Siderov

    Could be like the video of the Ukrainian Rada MP who predicted the coup a year before it.

    NATO is moving towards war on Russia. The sanctions and silly threats of SWIFT termination for Russia are irrelevant.
    If NATO is serious about removing Russia as competitor in the global economy (aka "threat") it will have to attack.

    But I do not see how NATO can guarantee that Russia's nuclear arsenal will be compromised (from within) that they
    would dare a conventional action. Russia is not going to restrain itself in Crimea. Not only will Russia have the
    capacity to defend it from any NATO land grab via conventional means, it will also have the option of using tactical
    nukes.

    Perhaps they are hoping that Russia has to ultimately invade Ukraine to secure its interests. But here too the situation
    is not playing out according to any NATO plan.
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:42 am

    kvs wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Bulgaria: 'NATO will use us to attack Crimea' - Ataka's Siderov

    Could be like the video of the Ukrainian Rada MP who predicted the coup a year before it.  

    NATO is moving towards war on Russia.   The sanctions and silly threats of SWIFT termination for Russia are irrelevant.
    If NATO is serious about removing Russia as competitor in the global economy (aka "threat") it will have to attack.

    But I do not see how NATO can guarantee that Russia's nuclear arsenal will be compromised (from within) that they
    would dare a conventional action.   Russia is not going to restrain itself in Crimea.   Not only will Russia have the
    capacity to defend it from any NATO land grab via conventional means, it will also have the option of using tactical
    nukes.

    Perhaps they are hoping that Russia has to ultimately invade Ukraine to secure its interests.  But here too the situation
    is not playing out according to any NATO plan.

    They have to wait untill Putin's presidential term runs out and than try to push and install Nemzov,Navalny,Rosa or any other 5th columnist who all are proven and caught taking instructions right from US embassy, which should be closed and jailed everyone who does not leave the country within 12 hours. This is their only option a coup within or more likely trying to install such subhumans like Navalny,Nemzov,Rosa and who ever the rest of the scum is trying to run for presidency.
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:06 am

    How predictable, WMD's now in Venezuela lmao Rolling Eyes :

    Former Los Alamos scientist sentenced in plot to sell nuclear secrets to Venezuela


    WMD's in every country that has significant reservoirs of hydrocarbons, like we didn't see that coming!
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:11 am

    Los Alamos is a real cauldron of fear-mongering Neo-cons, just ask the new president of Croatia. If they really do try to attack Venezuela it should be known that a certain monster of an air defense asset is waiting in the dark...


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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  par far on Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:15 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:How predictable, WMD's now in Venezuela lmao Rolling Eyes :

    Former Los Alamos scientist sentenced in plot to sell nuclear secrets to Venezuela


    WMD's in every country that has significant reservoirs of hydrocarbons, like we didn't see that coming!


    These bastards keep on using the same line but I think if something happens in Venezuela, Russia and China will step in. Venezuela needs to be part of the BRICS(why can't the current members not see that). The oil prices are being manipulated by the dam Saudis.
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:27 pm

    par far wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:How predictable, WMD's now in Venezuela lmao Rolling Eyes :

    Former Los Alamos scientist sentenced in plot to sell nuclear secrets to Venezuela


    WMD's in every country that has significant reservoirs of hydrocarbons, like we didn't see that coming!


    These bastards keep on using the same line but I think if something happens in Venezuela, Russia and China will step in. Venezuela needs to be part of the BRICS(why can't the current members not see that). The oil prices are being manipulated by the dam Saudis.  

    I'm shocked that not more people are talking about this.

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    Bulgaria: 'NATO will use us to attack Crimea' - Ataka's Siderov

    Post  par far on Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:58 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    par far wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:How predictable, WMD's now in Venezuela lmao Rolling Eyes :

    Former Los Alamos scientist sentenced in plot to sell nuclear secrets to Venezuela


    WMD's in every country that has significant reservoirs of hydrocarbons, like we didn't see that coming!


    These bastards keep on using the same line but I think if something happens in Venezuela, Russia and China will step in. Venezuela needs to be part of the BRICS(why can't the current members not see that). The oil prices are being manipulated by the dam Saudis.  

    I'm shocked that not more people are talking about this.



    I am shocked as well.
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  fredleander on Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:44 pm

    It should be some comfort to see that not all sources in the US are supporting the reckless drive toward fresh confrontations with Russia. This source is comparing it with the propaganda war build-up before the invasions of Iraq and the tasteless denunciations of Mr. Blix - seemingly the only UN person keeping a cool head at the time.

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/

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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  George1 on Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:04 pm

    Obama Set to 'Further Isolate' Russia

    White House spokesman announced that US President Barack Obama is determined that the United States must continue its efforts to isolate Russia.

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — US President Barack Obama is determined that the United States must continue its efforts to isolate Russia, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said.

    “I can tell you that the President’s view continues to be that this administration needs to be continually assessing what our strategy is to further isolate the Putin regime in Russia to convince them to re-evaluate their strategy in Ukraine,” Earnest told reporters Monday.

    The United States’ Russia policy has so far been successful, according to the White House spokesman.

    In addition to “uniting the international community around this principle of respecting the territorial integrity and sovereignty of other countries”, the US strategy has helped devalue the Rouble and cause debt evaluators to downgrade Russia’s securities, Earnest stated.

    Relations between Russia and the United States deteriorated greatly in 2014 amid the crisis in Ukraine. Washington, alongside a number of western allies, introduced several rounds of anti-Russia sanctions, blaming Moscow of providing pro-independence militia in eastern Ukraine with military support.

    Russia has repeatedly denied any involvement in the conflict, deeming sanctions as counterproductive and calling on the warring sides in Ukraine to engage in direct dialogue to find a political solution to the crisis.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150203/1017687531.html#ixzz3Qg9HQYQq
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    Re: Cold War II

    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:53 am

    WASHINGTON, (Sputnik) — Washington announced additional visa restrictions against Venezuelan officials and their families tied to human rights violations and corruption, according to the statement released by the US Department of State.

    Venezuela should do the same for all US officials in the current administration and the one before it for their complicity in kidnapping and torture and illegal detention... and indeed on spying on the entire worlds population.

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