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    Re: Chengdu J-20 Stealth Fighter

    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:11 am

    China’s J-20 Stealth Fighter Shows Off New Camouflage

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201610191046516119-j-20-camouflage/


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    Re: Chengdu J-20 Stealth Fighter

    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:35 pm

    First footage of China's fifth generation fighter

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    Re: Chengdu J-20 Stealth Fighter

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:18 am

    Stealth Fighter Showdown: China's New J-20 vs. Russia's Super T-50 PAK-FA

    Dave Majumdar
    November 2, 2016



    China’s J-20 stealth fighter is making headlines around the world--and for obvious reasons. While the plane has been seen in various testing phases for some years now, the aircraft just made its official debut at an airshow in China--a symbol of Beijing’s growing military muscle.

    Combined with China’s new aircraft carrier (with a second now nearing completion, the first built in a Chinese shipyard, by the way), various types of advanced antiship weapons, multiple versions of advanced submarines and more, Beijing clearly is on a course (many argue already is) to become one of the world’s most dangerous military powers, alongside Russia and America.

    But how would China’s new stealth jet do in open warfare? Could it really tangle with the world’s best? Here is a question: What about a matchup against Russia’s new 5th generation fighter, the PAK-FA. Last year, TNI’s Defense Editor, Dave Majumdar, explored this question. So who would win?

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    The J-20, which is powered by engines intended for the Sukhoi Su-27, is at a huge disadvantage. Compared to the PAK-FA, the J-20 is underpowered and wouldn’t have the energy addition to keep up. Moreover, the PAK-FA has three-dimensional thrust vectoring for outstanding low speed handling. That means the Russian aircraft probably has the edge in turn rate, turn radius and high angle of attack performance. But if both sides have high off-boresight missiles and helmet-mounted cueing systems, with a little luck, the J-20 might get a lucky shot—however, the PAK-FA probably still has the edge.

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/stealth-fighter-showdown-chinas-new-j-20-vs-russias-super-t-18265
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    Re: Chengdu J-20 Stealth Fighter

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:02 am

    And this is why I cant take what you say with a straight face. The national Interest is probably one of the most pathetic news stories out there. On par with CNN. Onion has far more legitimacy in their articles even if satirical.
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    Re: Chengdu J-20 Stealth Fighter

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:21 am

    miketheterrible wrote:And this is why I cant take what you say with a straight face.  The national Interest is probably one of the most pathetic news stories out there.  On par with CNN.  Onion has far more legitimacy in their articles even if satirical.

    Well it's not exactly on the level of Sputnik or RT either. And stop making these inspired conclusions of yours out of me posting an article. If you disagree with the content, quote bits and pieces and start a discussion.
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    Re: Chengdu J-20 Stealth Fighter

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:16 am

    No news agency has any idea about military equipment... their quality largely rests on the experts they choose to quote... they can quote idiots or real experts... most of the western experts chosen in western media are cold war ex military die hard anti Ruskies so their opinions rarely reflect reality.

    Perhaps you find a better quality article and we can discuss... until then this stuff is not worth bothering to read.


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    Re: Chengdu J-20 Stealth Fighter

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:17 am

    GarryB wrote:Perhaps you find a better quality article and we can discuss... until then this stuff is not worth bothering to read.

    Perhaps you have no idea how to read and interpret information? Until then spare me with the tips, I'll pass.

    PS. You/me/anyone not liking the source has nothing to do with the quality in sparking a meaningful discussion.
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    Re: Chengdu J-20 Stealth Fighter

    Post  George1 on Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:51 pm

    The first fighter J-20 made in the People's Liberation Army Air Force



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    Re: Chengdu J-20 Stealth Fighter

    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:27 am

    PS. You/me/anyone not liking the source has nothing to do with the quality in sparking a meaningful discussion.

    By definition a bad source is a poor basis to start a discussion... they are a bad source because they post crap. If you want to talk about crap... go elsewhere.

    I appreciate some people like to post crap material to see it get ripped apart by people who actually know what they are talking about... it is an easy... if lazy way to learn new stuff... but if you keep doing it eventually the article rippers will turn on the messenger for continually posting bullshit.

    If you want to talk about a meaningful discussion why don't you start one for a change. Twisted Evil


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    Re: Chengdu J-20 Stealth Fighter

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:20 pm

    What Chinese did is staggering. They developed a 5th gen plane in 5 years.
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    Re: Chengdu J-20 Stealth Fighter

    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:10 pm

    Chinese Stealth J-20 Jet Enters Service With PLA

    China has put its new Chengdu J20 stealth fighter jet in service, in efforts to develop a marine corps and a “first class” Navy, while simultaneously narrowing the military gap with US. Beijing’s military is undergoing major upgrades, complete with advanced submarines and anti-satellite missiles, all under the supervision of President Xi Jinping.

    Chinese planespotters first saw the J20 in 2010, and the public got its first glimpse of the craft at the Zhuhai airshow in November 2016. The military channel on China’s state television confirmed that the plan had entered service on Thursday.

    What remains to be seen is whether the J20 can evade radar with the same aptitude as Lockheed Martin’s F-35 strike jet, or Lockheed’s air-to-air combat jet F-22 Raptor. The development of the new Chinese aircraft began in the late 1990s and had its first flight in 2011.

    In November 2016, aviation journalist Andreas Rupprecht wrote in the Aviationist, "The J-20 is a giant leap for the PLAAF both capability-wise and technology-wise. Did anyone of us expect a Chinese stealth fighter to be operational before 2020 when asked in, let’s say, 2010?"

    The speed of the craft’s development outpaced that of the F-35, and was specifically built to exploit a weakness in the US Air Force airborne early warning and control aircraft, and unarmed aerial refuelers.

    In 2014, while then-US President Barack Obama was attending an Asia-Pacific summit in China, Beijing presented an unfinished J-31 twin-engine jet, a craft meant to compete with the F-35.

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201703101051465409-china-stealth-fighter-enters-service/


    So first J-20s have been delivered???


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    Re: Chengdu J-20 Stealth Fighter

    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:26 am

    What Chinese did is staggering. They developed a 5th gen plane in 5 years.

    Is it actually 5th gen?

    Based on what we know about their engines it probably has 4th gen fighter engines... what is the quality of the other systems?

    Anyone can take a shell that looks stealthy and fill it with air plane bits and call it a 5th gen fighter... I mean south korea could easily make an F-35 like shell with a better shape and put bits of late model F-16 inside it and call it a 5th gen fighter... it means nothing really.

    Not that I am putting down the Chinese... the this generation or that generation number is meaningless. If this aircraft is useful to China and they can make it in sufficient numbers to get that job done because it is not ridiculously expensive like the F-35 is then good on them...


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    Re: Chengdu J-20 Stealth Fighter

    Post  Isos on Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:46 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    What Chinese did is staggering. They developed a 5th gen plane in 5 years.

    Is it actually 5th gen?

    Based on what we know about their engines it probably has 4th gen fighter engines... what is the quality of the other systems?

    Anyone can take a shell that looks stealthy and fill it with air plane bits and call it a 5th gen fighter... I mean south korea could easily make an F-35 like shell with a better shape and put bits of late model F-16 inside it and call it a 5th gen fighter... it means nothing really.

    Not that I am putting down the Chinese... the this generation or that generation number is meaningless. If this aircraft is useful to China and they can make it in sufficient numbers to get that job done because it is not ridiculously expensive like the F-35 is then good on them...

    J-31 will be more dangerous I think. They used all the data the hacked from F-35 program. The last prototype was different from the others because they manage to implement US copied tech on it.
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    Re: Chengdu J-20 Stealth Fighter

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:11 pm

    Isos wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    What Chinese did is staggering. They developed a 5th gen plane in 5 years.

    Is it actually 5th gen?

    Based on what we know about their engines it probably has 4th gen fighter engines... what is the quality of the other systems?

    Anyone can take a shell that looks stealthy and fill it with air plane bits and call it a 5th gen fighter... I mean south korea could easily make an F-35 like shell with a better shape and put bits of late model F-16 inside it and call it a 5th gen fighter... it means nothing really.

    Not that I am putting down the Chinese... the this generation or that generation number is meaningless. If this aircraft is useful to China and they can make it in sufficient numbers to get that job done because it is not ridiculously expensive like the F-35 is then good on them...

    J-31 will be more dangerous I think. They used all the data the hacked from F-35 program. The last prototype was different from the others because they manage to implement US copied tech on it.

    J-31 is being done by the same company that copies every other jet out their - the one that has done the J-15, etc. Quality assessment of their stuff usually indicates poor quality. Stealing tech from F-35 doesn't guarantee any kind of quality or anything. Guaranteed they just supplimant certain tech with their own to make the J-31 and it will be worst than that of the F-35 is. The J-20 will be a far better jet and GarryB is correct - it may look pretty, may look like it is fifth gen, but is it really? From my understanding, it is using Russian 4th gen engines and Radar will be questionable - same AESA modules used on their supposed AESA radars used on their rip off Su-27's which may sound great, but judging some numbers floating around I have once read, detection rates, etc - gives an indication the modules either do not work as intended or are very low powered which is what I am leading to believe in.

    That though, doesn't make it a weak system or poor weapon. It just though means it isn't as efficient. But if it is cheap enough, I don't think China overtly cares and the system is still going to be a major threat to everyone around them.
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    Re: Chengdu J-20 Stealth Fighter

    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:28 am

    They don't need the best in the world super duper killing machine.

    They might not be perfect to start with, but over time they will get improvements and addons that fix problems and increase capabilities.

    They don't need to be as good as the F-35 or better... if they have the capability to kill enemy aircraft and ships then they will be useful and likely built in numbers to make them rather more effective than a few super capable hangar queens that are really state of the art but too expensive to make and use to keep in the inventory.


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