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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:19 am

    Another important factor is that with all these EM emissions and signals from all these bits of equipment... can you use everything at the same time...

    Does their new EO dazzler system they are deploying on their new Frigates and likely larger vessels allow their own EO systems to operate normally too... what if their new laser jammers effected their own CIWS systems.

    It has happened before where the ECM systems and ESM systems prevented their own attack systems from working properly.

    I think it was an early setup with the B-1B where its jamming systems prevented its own navigation system from working... these are things that can only be tested when everything is fitted and new stuff will be added all the time through the life of the ship so further testing will always be an issue anyway.


    Once Ruskies finally deploy decent coastal missiles now that INF is gone there will be nothing that could save asses of any surface fleet

    With the INF treaty gone... land based hypersonic missiles could cover the Med, the arctic, and the northern pacific easily enough and corvettes could return to being just corvettes again... Wink
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:53 am

    Yes, against RF & PRC they'll be useful only to show the flag.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Austin on Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:28 am

    First video from inside Yasen-M submarine 

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201902051630-kem5.htm


    According to the “Kazan” commander Alexander Beketov, the ship received a new hydro-acoustic complex and electronic weapons, which allow detecting targets at a greater distance, as well as classify them in more detail.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Arrow on Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:57 am

    Yasen M will be carry 32 missile 3M22 Zirkon ?
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Hole on Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:42 pm

    If the mission requires it.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:07 am

    More likely a mix that would include anti sub ballistic rockets too...
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:46 pm

    Arrow wrote:Yasen M will be carry 32 missile 3M22 Zirkon ?

    Depends on its current Task if it's on patrol it will have a standard mixed arsenal.

    Submarine are normally given their munitions a day before it leaves port and those munitions are based on what it's assigned objective is.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:26 pm

    They can also return or pull alongside an ammo. ship to rearm in port/at sea.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:53 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:They can also return or pull alongside ammo. ship to rearm in port/at sea.

    Rearming submarines at SEa is A LOT harder to do and Supply ship generally aren't equipped to do that.

    Subs are always re-armed in their ports, never by the use of other ships.

    It's also a massive Security risk that means the sub must surface to a very long period of time.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:23 pm

    Navy planning to bring back at-sea missile reload capability
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a27205/navy-reload-missile-silos-at-sea/

    The VMF relies on subs more, so I would expect them to have that capability.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:54 am

    Subs are always re-armed in their ports, never by the use of other ships.

    The soviets didn't always have reliable access to ports so sub tenders were quite common even with their old enormous anti ship missiles... newer weapons are much much smaller.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:46 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Navy planning to bring back at-sea missile reload capability
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a27205/navy-reload-missile-silos-at-sea/

    The VMF relies on subs more, so I would expect them to have that capability.


    What for?

    In full sized​ conflict you will either get the job done with up to 30 missiles or there will be no point anyway
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:16 am

    They may run out of certain kinds of Ms from the mix they carry or other ships may not be able to relieve those on station for a while.
    It happens all the time in the real world.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:16 am

    Subs are most useful when they are armed... not all of their roles require the use of weapons of course, but being able to rearm or refuel or both at sea is a useful thing whether they actually need it or not.

    A bit like inflight refuelling capacity... some planes might never operationally refuel in flight but does that mean they shouldn't be fitted with the gear?

    The Soviets set up mid sea floating docks where ships with supplies or fuel could come and dock and ships or subs needing rearmed, refuelled or just restocked could go and do that all in international waters...
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:20 am

    "Zircon" will give "Ash" significant advantages. After adopting this missile into service, the submarine of the project 885M will be able to perform almost guaranteed combat missions related to attacking the enemy. First of all, it is the defeat of aircraft carrier groups, individual large ships and naval bases, ”Knutov said.
    However, as the expert explained, the main task of the submarines of the project "Yasen-M" will remain unchanged: tracking nuclear-powered strategic objectives of Western countries. Russian nuclear submarines must effectively prevent a nuclear strike from naval platforms on the territory of the Russian Federation.
    "Ash" will ensure the presence of the Navy in areas of the oceans, from where the enemy can hypothetically launch ballistic missiles. I believe that, given all the resources of our fleet, to fulfill this mission, the seven nuclear submarines of Project 885 will be quite enough. Moreover, Russia does not set a goal to control the oceans, explained Knutov.

    https://news.rambler.ru/army/41832061-na-chto-budut-sposobny-noveyshie-atomnye-podlodki-rossii/?updated
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:00 am

    However, as the expert explained, the main task of the submarines of the project "Yasen-M" will remain unchanged: tracking nuclear-powered strategic objectives of Western countries.

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    to fulfill this mission, the seven nuclear submarines of Project 885 will be quite enough.

    Dream on loser...

    That's nowhere near enough.

    USN has twice as many Ohio SSBNs.

    Even if Russian subs were 100% successful and everything went according to plan (which it won't) they still only have 50% or submarines required to get the job done.

    Either aquire another 7 Yasens or stop taking out of your posterior
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Isos on Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:57 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    However, as the expert explained, the main task of the submarines of the project "Yasen-M" will remain unchanged: tracking nuclear-powered strategic objectives of Western countries.

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    to fulfill this mission, the seven nuclear submarines of Project 885 will be quite enough.

    Dream on loser...

    That's nowhere near enough.

    USN has twice as many Ohio SSBNs.

    Even if Russian subs were 100% successful and everything went according to plan (which it won't) they still only have 50% or submarines required to get the job done.

    Either aquire another 7 Yasens or stop taking out of your posterior

    He said western counteies. So you can add the 8 ssbn of french and british navies. They need another 15 new husky with ghose 7 yasen.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:11 pm

    USN has twice as many Ohio SSBNs.
    only 4 of them r on patrol 24/7, + 2 more from FN & RN.
    The VMF also has 19 SSNs.
    http://rusnavy.com/nowadays/strength/submarines/#3
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:44 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Navy planning to bring back at-sea missile reload capability
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a27205/navy-reload-missile-silos-at-sea/

    The VMF relies on subs more, so I would expect them to have that capability.

    This is what Russia AND CHINA should be doing..

    Should the Navy Turn Merchant Ships into Warships?
     

    When the major war start and it will happen sooner or later ,will not be possible to avoid
    it with Putin in power.. US and UK will not hesitate to use any dirty unlawful tactic..
    merchant ships can be armed with cruise missiles armed with nukes.. and Civilian airliners
    could be used like Americans did in World trade center in 9/11 , used as weapons to bring down
    entire cities when armed with nukes..  So an american airlines 747 could have a big nuclear weapon inside , fly over moscow and BANG..  with the help of a coordinated nuclear attack , many dozens of Civilian airliners can be transformed in undercover trojan horses with nukes.

    A Russian missile /submarine base in venezuela will be also important and if possible Mexico. too..
    if US deploy bases near Russia ,then it will be fair Russia does the same too.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:24 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    USN has twice as many Ohio SSBNs.
    only 4 of them r on patrol 24/7, + 2 more from FN & RN.
    The VMF also has 19 SSNs.
    .............


    And only small number of them can be on duty while others are in maintenance.

    How many of those 19 SSNs are in usable condition?
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:56 pm

    So an american airlines 747 could have a big nuclear weapon inside , fly over moscow and BANG.
    In a conflict or shortly before it, conflict, all flights will be cancelled/airports closed & in the empty sky they'll be easy to find & shoot down.
    And only small number of them can be on duty while others are in maintenance. How many of those 19 SSNs are in usable condition?
    I would say not less than 6-7. Enough to deal with 4 Tridents.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  dino00 on Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:18 pm

    Navy will receive the third nuclear submarine "Ash" in 2020

    https://ria.ru/20190320/1551954714.html

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