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    kumbor

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  kumbor on Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:38 am

    hoom wrote:Kazan returned from its first outing

    Outing... what does it mean outing... you mean returned from first sea trials, or what?

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  hoom on Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:53 am

    Yes, first sea trials.

    Not a proper technical term for a ship but implies a fairly short trip.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  kumbor on Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:17 am

    hoom wrote:Yes, first sea trials.

    Not a proper technical term for a ship but implies a fairly short trip.

    It`s a literal translation of "выход в море".
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  verkhoturye51 on Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:32 am

    It would be nice if some Russian explained the difference between all three trial types - shtartovniye, khodoviye and gosispitaniya.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  hoom on Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:34 am

    It`s a literal translation of "выход в море".
    I meant Outing isn't a proper technical term, I was being informal, didn't mean to cause confusion.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  kumbor on Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:26 pm

    verkhoturye51 wrote:It would be nice if some Russian explained the difference between all three trial types - shtartovniye, khodoviye and gosispitaniya.

    Швартовые - shwartowye - trials within the port, at the end of fitting out. Mooring equipment is being tested, main and auxiliary propulsion tested on idle, without powering the shafts for drive. the ship is being trimmed, ballasted and tested by the list - кренование.

    Ходовые - Khodovye - real sea trials. All main and auxiliary machinery tested on fuel consumption, power and speed. Ship`s maritime capabilities are being tested. Navigational equipment and electronics also. The deficiencies are being corrected in shipyard.

    Государственные - приёмные испытания - State trials before commissioning. All machinery tested again, navigational and electronic equipment. All armament testing. The ship sails back to shipyard for zero refit and correcting all defficiencies. When the final round of trials is completed, ship enters service, combat flag is risen.

    Maybe I`ve made some mistakes, but all in all this is the procedure.

    Please make corrections where needed. I think there are too many children on this forum, without real experience. I have knowledge from yugoslav navy, now disbanded, so procedure may differ.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Isos on Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:45 pm

    Gorshkov seems to have had more tests than that.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  kumbor on Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:41 pm

    Isos wrote:Gorshkov seems to have had more tests than that.

    Every stage of trials has multiple phases. If ship fails to reach asked standards, she returns to builders for refit and corrections. Than the trials are run again. In case of Gorshkov delays may last for a few years as we can see. Lead ships of a class, or prototypes, usually take longer to build and to finish trials, as they are newly projected from scratch and mount new equipment and/or armament.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:23 am

    kumbor wrote:
    Isos wrote:Gorshkov seems to have had more tests than that.

    Every stage of trials has multiple phases. If ship fails to reach asked standards, she returns to builders for refit and corrections. Than the trials are run again. In case of Gorshkov delays may last for a few years as we can see. Lead ships of a class, or prototypes, usually take longer to build and to finish trials, as they are newly projected from scratch and mount new equipment and/or armament.

    nto to mention that the whole documentation and tech specs must be updated.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  slasher on Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:08 am

    Not a very flattering assessment at all of the Project 885M.

    https://vpk-news.ru/articles/45818

    The author basically thinks the technology and combat systems incorporated are still largely untested and immature, even inadequate in comparison to contemporary 5th generation systems. He contends that way too much funding for the navy is being eaten up by a submarine project like this, and instead proper completion of R&D and testing should be carried out, thus slowing production and freeing up resources for surface ships and the naval aviation.

    Certainly pours some cold water over the hype sometimes surrounding this particular sub. IMO critical analysis is never a bad thing, and differing perspectives should not be discounted outright without examination. The issue holds particular relevance given the Navy's own 2017 revision of the "Foundations of the Russian Federation Naval Policy Until 2030", which prioritizes the development of undersea forces centered around the deployment of 955's and 885's.

    https://www.cna.org/CNA_files/PDF/IOP-2018-U-018268-Final.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2qPqYW2SJytdWyv6HFCOtXnoKWJC1zFdMs_vcAJWZAuijYP_o3BpxuZ4k
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  George1 on Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:19 am

    Russia’s Yasen-class nuclear attack submarine Kazan to begin state trials next summer

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1034816
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:18 am

    George1 wrote:Russia’s Yasen-class nuclear attack submarine Kazan to begin state trials next summer

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1034816

    They sure as hell are taking their sweet time...

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  hoom on Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:06 pm

    They sure as hell are taking their sweet time...
    It was poking around Faslane undetected earlier in the year started builders trials in Nov & North ices over in Winter...
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    Russia’s Yasen-class nuclear attack submarine Kazan to begin state trials next summer

    Post  verkhoturye51 on Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:44 pm

    They sure as hell are taking their sweet time...

    http://forums.airbase.ru/2018/12/t70309_114--podvodnye-lodki-proekta-885.2764.html wrote:
    Kazan to enter state trials in the summer 2019
    too optimistic for so complicated ship

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Sailor on Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:29 pm

    Kazan
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

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