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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Austin on Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:13 am

    interview with Tass general director of St. Petersburg Maritime Engineering Bureau "Malachite" Vladimir Dorofeev.

    http://tass.ru/opinions/interviews/3492321

    ain features multipurpose nuclear submarines of the fifth generation, which today are designed in Russia, largely defined during the creation of submarine Project 885 "Ash". In the future, two major classes of submarines - a strategic and multi-purpose - remain as completely "unmanned" submarine with a modular, interchangeable weapons can not be done, and do not need.

    On this and many other things on the eve of the Naval Fleet Day in an interview with Tass general director of St. Petersburg Maritime Engineering Bureau "Malachite" Vladimir Dorofeev.

    - As the Russian navy and developers see today, "the submarine of the future"?


    - The General Staff of the Armed Forces and the Navy form the shape of a ship in the form of technical, operational and tactical tasks.

    Think through the life-support systems, providing daily service ships, their combat use, communication systems, targeting systems, shore-based questions.

    The concept of partial modularity universalization tasks "Ash" showed its full vitality. Decisions underlying the creation of multi-purpose submarines of the Russian Navy, passed the test of time and will be implemented to create the fifth-generation submarines. When you create a fifth-generation submarines will take into account the results of the construction, testing, experimental and normal operation of the parent submarine Project 885 "Severodvinsk".

    - When the first ship of the fifth generation can be realized "iron"? This will be after 2020?


    - This is the ship that will surely be laid after 2020. To date, work on its creation are deployed, but I would like to note that these studies have been started long before we began to talk about the fifth-generation submarines. It is the creation of new construction materials, new technical solutions in the field of nuclear energy, electronics and others.

    - In an interview, you talked about the possibility of implementing a common information space, which will not only link the underwater and surface ships, and aircraft, onshore facilities. Is it possible in the near future to introduce a network-centric system?

    In general, the Navy has long existed in a single information space. In itself, it is no use to anyone, and is valuable only if allows for some potential, reduces the time of decision-making, increases the reliability of communicating commands and noise immunity. Navy by their very nature, these principles have long implants.

    Ships are often far removed from the base, a long-range weapon that requires extensive news coverage in terms of getting target indications.

    Another thing is that on ways to improve the system are carried out targeted work, which are the species in nature. This integration into a unified space of the Ministry of Defense. Now, of course, it is the realization of such a single information space.

    - This is important for the submarine stealth, so that during such an active exchange of information it is not simply "spotted"?


    - For submarines this problem is more than controversial. The entry into this space, the exchange of information, of course, are good, but there may be unmasking factor.

    - So, developed new technical solutions? Former Navy Commander Vladimir Vysotsky once said, even the establishment of ties on the basis of blue-green laser.

    - In this case the great role of fundamental science, innovative research, unexpected solutions. At one time, it was opened sonar channels that allow you to spread the sound of the significant distances. It was discovered through research of the oceans, and, probably, this effect may have a dual use.

    - There is much talk about the "unmanned" submarines. Is it possible for the Premier League, while maintaining its size, power, electronics and weapons to be completely uninhabitable? Or is it fantasy?


    There are a number of tasks that can more effectively carry out unmanned vehicles - submersibles. Today we are witnessing a rapid growth and development of unmanned underwater systems. The objectives of such devices, as a rule, are local - this anti-mine defense, intelligence functions, the protection of waters. But there are complex issues that require direct human decision making. And this is only possible if the crew on the submarine.

    I am confident that the future joint use of submarines to unmanned underwater vehicles .

    - Separation of strategic and multi-purpose submarines continue? Or the future of modular ships with interchangeable "units" weapons?

    - In today's strategic and multi-purpose submarines largely similar electronic weapons systems, communications, same mechanical components.Serial and universalization of systems and facilitates training of personnel, and operation of ships.

    But, on the other hand, there are objective indicators that do not allow to take a multi-purpose submarine and place it on ballistic missiles. Multi-purpose ship means a higher flexibility than that of a strategist, a lower noise at high speeds.

    Today, there are strong arguments that call into question the possibility of absolute universalization of submarines for the type of weapon.

    - Do we need submarines, which in Soviet times was called "aircraft carrier killer"?


    - On "Ash" placed universal launchers, which allow the use of cruise missiles for various purposes without any alterations, without any changes in the electronic equipment.

    These submarines are versatile hunters. Depending on the payload "Ash" can solve the problem against the aircraft carrier compounds, surface ships, amphibious troops, convoys, coastal targets, anti-submarine task.

    - Periodically, there are publications that have the head "Ash" problems of noise that the submarine did not confirm some of the set parameters.

    - Rumors about the failures of "Ash" let them remain rumors. "Malachite" as the creator of such a complex modern ship is a multi-purpose nuclear submarine, of course, knows all of his "childhood diseases" and "sore". Those design decisions that need to be improved, to be implemented during the construction of the ships series. It is normal practice.

    Military shipbuilding deprived of the opportunity to build a prototype submarine designed for testing only. Head ship immediately created so that after the test to be accepted into the combat fleet and perform its intended purpose. What, in fact, "Ash" now and busy.

    - And yet it was built too long ...


    - For this there is no need to make excuses. Start of construction of the ship due to the collapse of the Soviet Union and the loss of co-operation, because many businesses were generally in other countries outside of the Russian Federation.

    Those problems and serious issues that are objectively required time, allowed to come to the fact that at the time of the imposition of sanctions in the construction of "Ash" is not used components from the near or far abroad. Russia objectively self-sufficient in creating a modern submarine fleet.

    - Speaking of which, if satisfied with the living conditions of seafarers on the head, "Ash"? Is there a swimming pool, a sauna?


    - Area of ​​habitability - the most delicate moment. We all Equips their homes, and the sailors in this regard is no exception. The months-long voyage, they form around themselves an environment that may not be entirely consistent with some regulations, but gives them a feeling of home.

    Basin on "Ash", unfortunately, no, but there is a sauna. There is also a fitness center, and lounges. In the multi-purpose submarines by definition more closely than strategic. This feature class multi-purpose ships.

    But it can not allow the crew lived on the principle of "warm" beds, where one sailor gets up to keep watch, and the other lies in his place. Such conditions were diesel-electric submarines of the first generation. Residential compartments of modern atomic submarine, and spacious, and in his own cozy. their creation requirements are very strict.

    - How "Ash-M" will be different from its predecessors 885-year project?


    - It will take a little time, and the lead ship 885M project "Kazan" will be launched.

    Less than a year "Kazan" is due out at the factory sea trials in the White Sea. Then we see how much has changed the face of the modernized "Ash". I can only assure you that both the swiftness and smoothness of hull lines "Ash", of course, remain and the modernized ship.

    - The completion of the construction of a series of "Ash" is not changed?

    - Nothing changes, it's still 2023. Construction of multi-purpose submarines group is on schedule, in accordance with the contracts.

    - What foreign customers interested in the project "Malachite"?


    - If we are talking about military-technical cooperation, the Russian partners are traditional. These are the countries of Asia and Africa. Show interest in Latin American countries. Hopefully in the future we can talk about some real contracts.

    We offer for export of diesel-electric submarines, small displacement, in particular by the project on the basis of sabotage submarine "Piranha". At the time of the Soviet fleet of three such ships were built. We carry a project development of diesel-electric submarines with a displacement of up to 1 thousand tons.

    - A Russian navy is interested in midget submarines sabotage?


    - We conduct technical consultations with representatives of the Navy for the entire spectrum of emerging "malachite" ships, including for non-nuclear submarines of small displacement. So far, unfortunately, this has not led to the conclusion of any contract.

    However, the situation surrounding maritime theaters recently changed significantly. Are changing and the Navy task. In this connection, we can assume that the interest on the part of the Russian fleet will increase to such submarines. The more that modern small displacement submarine can accommodate systems with better performance than the previous generation of submarines.

    - That is a small submarine can be "lard" and avionics, and weapons?

    - Weapons, too, "umneet" and improved. To destroy certain number of goals in a salvo of torpedoes hypothetically it can be reduced. On the one hand, a small commando submarine ammunition, on the other - will allow to solve the problems that stand in the near maritime zone with the required efficiency.

    These vehicles are used in areas with shallow depth of immersion. For them, the more urgent is the reduction of electromagnetic fields and the visual signature. Submarine in shallow water is still visible, especially if the water is clear enough.

    - Is it possible to use airindependent power plant (VNEU) on these submarines?


    - This is one of the possible options.

    - If the job to design a series of submarines still arrive, whether the "Malachite" necessary competences to create VNEU?


    - "Malachite" is really development on the creation VNEU for NNS displacement of up to a thousand tons. This is no accident - Office was created in 1948 as the time for the project airindependent installation of diesel-electric submarines.

    Within the walls of "Malachite", two projects have been completed - 615 th and 617 th. One of them is equipped with a diesel engine operating in a closed cycle, and the second hydrogen peroxide used as the working fluid for steam and gas turbine installation. It was only later, in the 1950s, "Malachite" put these projects with our colleagues from the "Ruby", and he focused on nuclear issues.

    - At what stage are the work of "Malachite" on VNEU?


    - We have created a valid sample VNEU poster. It should confirm the actual installation work for different models of operation, including time-consuming. For example, the stand simulates VNEU work under water in a closed cycle. We have already received some experimental results, which are now analyzed. Submitted stand improvement. I think that by the end of this year we will continue to further the development and bench testing.

    I believe that in 2017 in the scientific and technical council "Malachite", we will demonstrate the Navy and USC achievements. At the same time, and it will decide on further tests in the sea.

    - What kind of autonomy will VNEU sabotage the submarine?


    - Feature diesel-electric submarines of small displacement is that they are used in the near maritime zone, and their work is, in principle, does not imply a large autonomy. It will largely be determined by the crew life support, not VNEU properties. And of course, submarines of this type requires a large reserve, instead of cruising range.

    - Whether domestic shipbuilding will return to the creation of the titanium submarines?


    - About this debate that flares up anew, then it subsides. There is a deep-water area of ​​shipbuilding, in which titanium has no rivals as a construction material. Alternative high-strength titanium alloys in the industry are hard to find. If we talk about multi-purpose submarines, then, of course, the cost of manufacturing titanium case is higher than the steel body. On the other side of the scale is high corrosion resistance of titanium, its low electromagnetic fields. Open or closed this question definitively, maybe, only time will tell.

    - Will recover titanium submarine "Carp" and "Kostroma", Nizhny Novgorod designed CDB "Lapis"?


    - The decision about their fate should take the fleet.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Honesroc on Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:17 pm

    I don't put a whole lot of stock into Sputnik International, but this did make me laugh:

    Indian Delegation to Visit Russia for Leasing Yasen Class Submarine

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20160915/1045347626/india-russ-a-yasen-submarine.html

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Sep 16, 2016 9:34 am

    Honesroc wrote:I don't put a whole lot of stock into Sputnik International, but this did make me laugh:

    Indian Delegation to Visit Russia for Leasing Yasen Class Submarine

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20160915/1045347626/india-russ-a-yasen-submarine.html

    The Indians are simply dreaming....

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Singular_trafo on Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:46 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Honesroc wrote:I don't put a whole lot of stock into Sputnik International, but this did make me laugh:

    Indian Delegation to Visit Russia for Leasing Yasen Class Submarine

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20160915/1045347626/india-russ-a-yasen-submarine.html

    The Indians are simply dreaming....

    India allready renting an Akula .

    It could be logical.

    And Russia needs friends.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:25 pm

    Singular_trafo wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Honesroc wrote:I don't put a whole lot of stock into Sputnik International, but this did make me laugh:

    Indian Delegation to Visit Russia for Leasing Yasen Class Submarine

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20160915/1045347626/india-russ-a-yasen-submarine.html

    The Indians are simply dreaming....  

    India allready renting an Akula .

    It could be logical.

    And Russia needs friends.

    A friend that signs "logistics" deals that allow foreign troops to use there bases while also sending troops and weapons to basses that haven't been used for decades on the border of your other friend, doesn't sound like a friend to me.

    Honestly, i think India is gonna go the way of Morocco, there gonna try and get all they can from Russia and later present it to there new colonial masters. Mad

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Singular_trafo on Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:28 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Singular_trafo wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Honesroc wrote:I don't put a whole lot of stock into Sputnik International, but this did make me laugh:

    Indian Delegation to Visit Russia for Leasing Yasen Class Submarine

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20160915/1045347626/india-russ-a-yasen-submarine.html

    The Indians are simply dreaming....  

    India allready renting an Akula .

    It could be logical.

    And Russia needs friends.

    A friend that signs "logistics" deals that allow foreign troops to use there bases while also sending troops and weapons to basses that haven't been used for decades on the border of your other friend, doesn't sound like a friend to me.

    Honestly, i think India is gonna go the way of Morocco, there gonna try and get all they can from Russia and later present it to there new colonial masters. Mad

    India and the US are natural enemies, China and India are natural frieands.

    These attempts are desperate moves from the US to generate tensions between India and China.

    If the US willing to lease a nimitz class aircraft carrier to India then you can consider anything different .



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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:06 pm


    Nobody will be leasing Yasen for at least two more decades, let's get real here.

    If India want a Yasen sub an export version can be manufactured for them once Russian Navy receives it's series.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:30 pm

    Honesroc wrote:I don't put a whole lot of stock into Sputnik International, but this did make me laugh:

    Indian Delegation to Visit Russia for Leasing Yasen Class Submarine

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20160915/1045347626/india-russ-a-yasen-submarine.html

    Russia ought to concentrate on building up the numbers of their modern SSN and SSBN force (which is tiny given their threat environment) and consolidate on their Oscar SSGN force (which seems about to get eliminated). Leasing modern/capable nuclear subs to a foreign, non-allied country that stopped buying Russian defense products long time ago is retarded. It's not the 90s anymore, time to get real.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Singular_trafo on Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:27 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Honesroc wrote:I don't put a whole lot of stock into Sputnik International, but this did make me laugh:

    Indian Delegation to Visit Russia for Leasing Yasen Class Submarine

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20160915/1045347626/india-russ-a-yasen-submarine.html

    Russia ought to concentrate on building up the numbers of their modern SSN and SSBN force (which is tiny given their threat environment) and consolidate on their Oscar SSGN force (which seems about to get eliminated). Leasing modern/capable nuclear subs to a foreign, non-allied country that stopped buying Russian defense products long time ago is retarded. It's not the 90s anymore, time to get real.

    The effective submarine force require air deffece systems as well.

    So there is no much sense to build up the submarine force without making air deffense ships, or aircraft/helicopter carriers .

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:15 am

    Russia Closing the Gap on US With Cutting Edge Yasen Submarines

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20161003/1045940127/russia-yasen-submarine-virginia.html


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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  kvs on Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:16 am

    George1 wrote:Russia Closing the Gap on US With Cutting Edge Yasen Submarines

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20161003/1045940127/russia-yasen-submarine-virginia.html

    Sputnik is obviously staffed by the same clowns who were writing for English RIAN. They use the same inflammatory
    anti-Russian propaganda language (e.g. pro-Kremlin parties, as if parties in Canada and the US are not pro the
    power hierarchy and fringe 5th column parties are the "real" ones) and they write crap such as the above. The claim
    that the Virginia acoustics and sonar are superior to anything that Russia has is a ridiculous joke:

    1) They have no access to the classified specs of US subs

    2) Unless Americans have some genetic intellectual superiority, there is no reason to think why their subs would be
    intrinsically better. Russia has as much experience at building submarines as the USA, if not more considering the
    submarines that could go 85 km/hr under water and the Shkval torpedo which indicates that Russian science and
    fluid dynamics understanding is more than likely ahead of that of the USA. The whole claim of noisy Russian subs
    is an example of obvious propaganda designed to compare Russians to mud hut dwellers who are inferior to the
    US ubermenschen. It is simply not credible that Russia would not be able to engineer hulls that minimize acoustic
    harmonics. This is a design problem and not the search for new physics. The US did not get their wunderwaffe from
    aliens.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Mindstorm on Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:21 am



    Sputnik is obviously staffed by the same clowns who were writing for English RIAN. wrote:


    The article......the usual pile of ridiculously uninformed and childish self-reassuring garbage always characterizing western military-relaterd publications, well showing the traits behind which they attempt to mask theirs deep inferiority complex......is not by Sputnik but by National Interest, author Kyle Mizokami.

    The level of ignorance shown in the article is simply laughable; enjoy :


    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/americas-virginia-class-submarine-vs-russias-lethal-yasen-17892


    If only they would truly realize how much in the reality (instead of theirs phantasious universe) they have fallen behind in the wide majority of most critical military related scientifical sectors Rolling Eyes

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  gaurav on Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:11 am

    kvs wrote:    Sputnik is obviously staffed by the same clowns who were writing for English RIAN. wrote:

    THese SPutnik articles are totallly bull crap. I am being very lenient in my language.
    SOme of them state yu-71 .. yu-74 or what not.. ALl articles are supported by commentators like mazumdar.. some other sources in Pentagon .. or even by
    Goldman sachs.. while most of the articles quote British Janes information report.. which is the biggest NATO warhawk agency in the world...
    some times it would seem that SPutnik takes its information from Janes information articles..

    Janes information articles are nothign but Russophobic entities.

    Just few days ago RUssian navy launched brand new BUlava's and what they were clamied.. BUlava test failed .. Bulava test failed..

    RUssian navy deliberatly self destructed the Bulava .. so as to  increase the doubts and confusion in Washington war hawks calculation..
    SO they could not properly analyze the trajectory and  speed (AMD specis) of BUlava missiles..

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Flanky on Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:51 am

    People im baffled why do you even see sputnik as a credible source of military info.
    Its good to report to common man and women that the state of military is good enough to defend from west but... don't expect anything more beyond that.
    Improved Akulas were already better then 688i Los Angeles class. Frst Yasen was bult and the experience and customer feedback from using the lead ship is used for the Improved version. If Americans think that the Improved Yasen is still inferior to Virginia class... i call that naivety. Especially when they admitted that Russian Lada class is virtually impossible to detect by passive means. Those same quieting knowledge and technology had to be used for designing an improved yasen for sure.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:56 pm

    To be fair, as Mindstorm has stated, they're basically quoting the National Interest, even the more respected Russian language sources on Russian military equipment, have been seen recently quoting the National Interest (Gurkhan, vpk.name, vpk-news.ru, sila.rg.ru).

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  RTN on Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:48 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:If only they would truly realize how much in the reality (instead of theirs phantasious universe) they have fallen behind in the wide majority of most critical military related scientifical sectors   Rolling Eyes    

    The US has fallen behind Russia in "wide majority of most critical military related scientifical sectors" ? ? ?

    Which sectors are these, I dare ask  coz even the Russian President has never made such a chest thumping, misleading claim.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  x_54_u43 on Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:12 pm

    RTN wrote:
    Mindstorm wrote:If only they would truly realize how much in the reality (instead of theirs phantasious universe) they have fallen behind in the wide majority of most critical military related scientifical sectors   Rolling Eyes    

    The US has fallen behind Russia in "wide majority of most critical military related scientifical sectors" ? ? ?

    Which sectors are these, I dare ask  coz even the Russian President has never made such a chest thumping, misleading claim.

    I wish to know what advantages Yasen has over other subs, it really is interesting.

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