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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:40 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
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    kvs wrote:Engine testing should be done before the middle of 2018 with serial production to follow.   This is very plausible and
    consistent with various statements.    So by the middle of 2018, the whole Ukrainian supply issue will be absolute
    history.  

    I would honestly bet money that there will be further delays after that. Neutral

    Then do it.

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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:09 am

    which is still pathetic for a 500 ton ship.

    Without context how can you possibly comment?

    If they have a contract then there will be time stipulations and penalties.

    There is no point in building a boat in 6 months if your shipyard then has to wait 2 and a half years for the next contract.

    Also lets be serious.... this little boat can kill terrorist bases 2,500km away with land attack cruise missiles... which NATO boat can do the same?

    If there is nothing in the west that can do the same except a destroyer or cruiser sized vessel then I would expect construction to take a little longer than comparable vessels in the west.


    Russia has problems with shipbuilding and that is quite proven with all the delays and long ass build times they have. I do not need to argue this with you the Russian ship building industry has a whole proves this for me.

    Give us a full list of all the ships the Russian Navy wants and is willing to fully fund and all the Russian Shipyards... their capacity and actual performance and their future schedule for the next 15 years.

    Then we can discuss their performance to make new ships.

    Can we also discuss how these new corvettes seem to have vastly better performance than most of NATOs Destroyers let alone their cruisers... how many non US cruisers are there in NATO? How many non US vessels in NATO can launch 2,500km range land attack cruise missiles?

    "FULL DISPLACEMENT" do you KNOW what that means it means thats how much it weighs one all the supplies and everything else has been loaded INTO the ship.

    Also I wasn't talking about those ships, Yantar plus Pelia are the only two capable shipyards in Russia all the others are shit. They delay after delay and they take so long to build something they shouldn't

    Actually especially for smaller vessels the difference between normal and max weight is not usually that big... it is not like an aircraft where an aircraft wing pylon might have something very light like an AAM or something very heavy like a large fuel tank... the UKSK launch tubes would be loaded in normal weight, as would all the other missile tubes and the contents of those missile tubes doesn't change at all between operational weight and max weight.


    My concern is what to do about critical operating spares for Gorshkov and Kasanatov? Clearly turbine spares cannot be purchased from Zorya-Mashproekt, but what about the rest of the drivetrain? What about electrical & instrumentation & control systems? Is the turbine control cabinet based on Ukropi-supply electronic components? Can spares be procured, or should Russia plan on a complete control system replacement? What about eventual replacement of the Ukropi turbine? Hopefully the major interfaces and overall form factors of the domestic machinery have been specified to be compatible and will allow for a relatively inexpensive changeout?

    The Ukrainian components were not from Star Trek... they were mostly Soviet era materials and systems, so Russia should not have huge problems not just substituting these components but upgrading them to a much higher level with domestically produced parts.

    It will certainly take time, but there is no hurry at the moment... Russia simply does not need a powerful navy.... having a powerful navy is something they can defer until their economy is running smoothly again and they can trade with most of the rest of the world as partners.

    Not to mention that over a dozen of AB destroyers (or better cruisers) were inducted by the USN in the same time frame.

    You mean ones that can't see cargo ships in the dark... yeah, they need lots of those.

    With the fiasco the lack of Ukrainian components is causing, i'm wondering why doesn't russia simply invade Ukraine and partition it, or at least stage a counter color revolution. The western leaders are convinced Russia has invaded Ukraine, so whats the point not to? There won't be any worse repercussions.

    Even if the disruption of the engine supply caused more damage to the Ukrainian economy, it hasn't helped destabilize the junta and with raw oppression, the galician scum aren't leaving kiev soon.

    A better question to ask is why Russia needs to be producing ships like the US and China combined... WTF would they do with all these new ships?

    Just because a few ass hats here are whining like little girls about the current production rate is no reason to do anything.

    I am sure all those US cruisers are great for defending freedom around the world... they were certainly pivotal in separating the Serbs from Kosovo and did nothing to protect the Arabs from ISIS until the Russians started kicking arse in Syria.

    the contribution of lots of ships to the US military budget is hard to justify, but i guess it will lead to the collapse a bit quicker.... so bring it on.

    Trimaran Stealth Corvette?

    Just using your eyes will tell you it is not a stealth anything.

    The Russian navy has no shortage of ships, what it has is a shortage of brand new ships, but what it also has is a lack of a need for a huge number of new ships.

    the support vessels are being built... which is priority number one. In the back ground other systems and upgrades are going into effect... and Saturn producing replacement engines and propulsion systems is just step one.... they also need to expand production to produce the new systems as well as all the stuff they were producing before.

    I was coming to this forum to tell you all to behave but I pretty much think the verbal abuse is fully justified... though Mike please tone it down, however I can see why you are calling idiots idiots lowering yourself to their level just makes you look bad. Smile


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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:41 am

    6 months is that a joke whoever said 6 months? A year is how long it should take to complete ships like Buyan that gives the budget time to refresh, you are trying to deflect right here by saying 6 months and you are pulling this number out of thin air to try and prove your silly point. When no one ever said six months.

    You know Garry you have this bad habit of doing that creating false and stupid points to make yourself look right and I get tired of seeing you do this again and again and again. It really doesn't make me want to take you seriously if your going to do that.

    3 years is pathetic for a ship like buyan-M and there is no excuse for that long and if you are honestly going to defend this then it shows your just fanboying trying to defend. If this was a frigate sure that would be a reasonable amount of time.

    Size means nothing here corvettes are cheap so Russia can build many of them. Plenty of NATO ships can kill bases from that far away, it doesn't matter the size what matters is the number of armament and Buyan-M doesn't have enough missiles to pose a threat to a ship larger then it. Kaliber is a good missile sure but it is no wonder missile.

    Oh wait I forgot russian missiles are magic and can make ships sink just by being near it!.


    I told you every shipyard other then the ones I named and lets see all their corvettes (Well pelia managed to get a karakut launched within two years....thats still not great but hey it's their first warship in how long so I'll give them credit there), their frigate minus the ones built for the BSF (Yantar actually knows how to make stuff). How many modernized ships have they gotten large hull and they started some of those over 5 years ago?. Their landing ships.

    Plus all the other crap they are building.

    US can build ships of same tonnage MUCH faster, china, Japan, Korea.... I could go on and on and on sorry russia does have a piss poor ship building industry right now maybe in the future that will change but for now that is the case.



    AB destroyers cannot see in the dark now......dude for a guy who just called people idiots that comment alone is by far some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen said here. You clearly know shit about the US Navy. This is why I hate fanboys they cannot be objective etc be critical of something they like but can make up what is clear lies.

    Those AB Destroyers will wreck whatever surface ship russia sends after them minus a upgraded Kirov. You are beyond delusional if you think the Russian navy poses any remote threat to the US navy in open waters. Cause they really don't.

    I like the Russian navy for what it is, that doesn't mean I pretend it's something it ain't.
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  Isos on Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:32 pm

    They don't want too many corvettes. They are also keeping money for bigger ships and for upgrading facilities .. new port in black sea, upgrading tartous, upgrading shipyards ... It doesn t matter that they are cheap corvettes, if you buy lot of them it will cost lot.

    Most of US fanboys think that the theorical calculs they do with the anti air capabilities of the aegis will work aagainst true anti ship missiles ... the fact is that it won't. Remember when there were two missiles shot at them in Yemen ? Their anti air missiles failed and needed to use EW (or vis versa ?) While lunching 2 missiles at each subsonic target. Imagine now a more capable supetsonic missile that can home on jam and use evasive actions with chaffs ???  No matter if it is a corvettes or a destroyer who lunch the oniks, the missile is the same. And Russia hs enough assests to know where american ships are, at least near its homeland. They don't care about open ocean fights. They just need a navy capable of defending the borders for now and for the near future.

    Against your carrier, kilo subs are enough. They can produce esily 4 of them in one year if they want. Once they destroy them your navy is done. You harpoons are easy targets for modern defences and jammers while russian missile will be hard target for your egis. And if the fight occurs near russia you will face sukhois armed with kh31/35 with EW equipement.

    Its been more than 70 years that soviet and russian ships and subs follow your carriers and ships and know exactly what to do if they face them.

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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  T-47 on Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:03 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Newer models seem to be rather fine. Earlier models not so much, going by Franco said. Predominantly, things didn't start to fix in production of Yak-130 till around 2011, and that was before Ukraine debacle. Really, Yak-130 is great, except for fact that it now requires total import substitution for it. They should have expected this at least since it was obvious even then how West treated Russia then, and how problematic Ukraine was then too (2004 should have been a wake up call for many in Russia, but I guess they needed a rehash 10 years later to get that cold water in the face).

    Wrong thread mikey
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:27 pm

    Isos wrote:Against your carrier, kilo subs are enough.

    Hypothetical.

    Day 0. Regime change/Maidan in Venezuela. A USN task force comprising of one CV and two LPHs, plus half a dozen escorts (not of the Colombian type, rather ABs and Ticos) is sailing and operating just outside Venezuelan waters. Helos are flying off of them carriers supporting the regime change.

    Day 1. A Russian Kilo SSK sails off from Sevastopol/Novorosiisk.

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    Day 7. Discuss.
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:37 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Isos wrote:Against your carrier, kilo subs are enough.

    Hypothetical.

    Day 0. Regime change/Maidan in Venezuela. A USN task force comprising of one CV and two LPHs, plus half a dozen escorts (not of the Colombian type, rather ABs and Ticos) is sailing and operating just outside Venezuelan waters. Helos are flying off of them carriers supporting the regime change.

    .........

    To his defense he was talking about operations near Russia and not about open ocean

    Venezuela is not near Russia and definitely has open ocean in the equation
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:41 am

    T-47 wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Newer models seem to be rather fine. Earlier models not so much, going by Franco said. Predominantly, things didn't start to fix in production of Yak-130 till around 2011, and that was before Ukraine debacle. Really, Yak-130 is great, except for fact that it now requires total import substitution for it. They should have expected this at least since it was obvious even then how West treated Russia then, and how problematic Ukraine was then too (2004 should have been a wake up call for many in Russia, but I guess they needed a rehash 10 years later to get that cold water in the face).

    Wrong thread mikey

    fat fingers on a "smartphone".

    Isos wrote:They don't want too many corvettes. They are also keeping money for bigger ships and for upgrading facilities .. new port in black sea, upgrading tartous, upgrading shipyards ... It doesn t matter that they are cheap corvettes, if you buy lot of them it will cost lot.

    Most of US fanboys think that the theorical calculs they do with the anti air capabilities of the aegis will work aagainst true anti ship missiles ... the fact is that it won't. Remember when there were two missiles shot at them in Yemen ? Their anti air missiles failed and needed to use EW (or vis versa ?) While lunching 2 missiles at each subsonic target. Imagine now a more capable supetsonic missile that can home on jam and use evasive actions with chaffs ???  No matter if it is a corvettes or a destroyer who lunch the oniks, the missile is the same. And Russia hs enough assests to know where american ships are, at least near its homeland. They don't care about open ocean fights. They just need a navy capable of defending the borders for now and for the near future.

    Against your carrier, kilo subs are enough. They can produce esily 4 of them in one year if they want. Once they destroy them your navy is done. You harpoons are easy targets for modern defences and jammers while russian missile will be hard target for your egis. And if the fight occurs near russia you will face sukhois armed with kh31/35 with EW equipement.

    Its been more than 70 years that soviet and russian ships and subs follow your carriers and ships and know exactly what to do if they face them.

    Most of these American fanboys also forget that their subsonic harpoon missiles are just that, subsonic. Less of a threat than a supersonic. But hey, at least they got lots of them on a ship so yeah, they would eventually sink a Russian ship with a salvo attack. But then, Russian antiship supersonic missiles would strike too.

    But whatever, still waiting on proof with link regarding the 500t light displacement on the Buyan-M claim.
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:36 am

    GarryB wrote:
    which is still pathetic for a 500 ton ship.

    Without context how can you possibly comment?

    If they have a contract then there will be time stipulations and penalties.

    There is no point in building a boat in 6 months if your shipyard then has to wait 2 and a half years for the next contract.

    Also lets be serious.... this little boat can kill terrorist bases 2,500km away with land attack cruise missiles... which NATO boat can do the same?

    If there is nothing in the west that can do the same except a destroyer or cruiser sized vessel then I would expect construction to take a little longer than comparable vessels in the west.


    Russia has problems with shipbuilding and that is quite proven with all the delays and long ass build times they have. I do not need to argue this with you the Russian ship building industry has a whole proves this for me.

    Give us a full list of all the ships the Russian Navy wants and is willing to fully fund and all the Russian Shipyards... their capacity and actual performance and their future schedule for the next 15 years.

    Then we can discuss their performance to make new ships.

    Can we also discuss how these new corvettes seem to have vastly better performance than most of NATOs Destroyers let alone their cruisers... how many non US cruisers are there in NATO? How many non US vessels in NATO can launch 2,500km range land attack cruise missiles?

    "FULL DISPLACEMENT" do you KNOW what that means it means thats how much it weighs one all the supplies and everything else has been loaded INTO the ship.

    Also I wasn't talking about those ships, Yantar plus Pelia are the only two capable shipyards in Russia all the others are shit. They delay after delay and they take so long to build something they shouldn't

    Actually especially for smaller vessels the difference between normal and max weight is not usually that big... it is not like an aircraft where an aircraft wing pylon might have something very light like an AAM or something very heavy like a large fuel tank... the UKSK launch tubes would be loaded in normal weight, as would all the other missile tubes and the contents of those missile tubes doesn't change at all between operational weight and max weight.


    My concern is what to do about critical operating spares for Gorshkov and Kasanatov? Clearly turbine spares cannot be purchased from Zorya-Mashproekt, but what about the rest of the drivetrain? What about electrical & instrumentation & control systems? Is the turbine control cabinet based on Ukropi-supply electronic components? Can spares be procured, or should Russia plan on a complete control system replacement? What about eventual replacement of the Ukropi turbine? Hopefully the major interfaces and overall form factors of the domestic machinery have been specified to be compatible and will allow for a relatively inexpensive changeout?

    The Ukrainian components were not from Star Trek... they were mostly Soviet era materials and systems, so Russia should not have huge problems not just substituting these components but upgrading them to a much higher level with domestically produced parts.

    It will certainly take time, but there is no hurry at the moment... Russia simply does not need a powerful navy.... having a powerful navy is something they can defer until their economy is running smoothly again and they can trade with most of the rest of the world as partners.

    Not to mention that over a dozen of AB destroyers (or better cruisers) were inducted by the USN in the same time frame.

    You mean ones that can't see cargo ships in the dark... yeah, they need lots of those.

    With the fiasco the lack of Ukrainian components is causing, i'm wondering why doesn't russia simply invade Ukraine and partition it, or at least stage a counter color revolution. The western leaders are convinced Russia has invaded Ukraine, so whats the point not to? There won't be any worse repercussions.

    Even if the disruption of the engine supply caused more damage to the Ukrainian economy, it hasn't helped destabilize the junta and with raw oppression, the galician scum aren't leaving kiev soon.

    A better question to ask is why Russia needs to be producing ships like the US and China combined... WTF would they do with all these new ships?

    Just because a few ass hats here are whining like little girls about the current production rate is no reason to do anything.

    I am sure all those US cruisers are great for defending freedom around the world... they were certainly pivotal in separating the Serbs from Kosovo and did nothing to protect the Arabs from ISIS until the Russians started kicking arse in Syria.

    the contribution of lots of ships to the US military budget is hard to justify, but i guess it will lead to the collapse a bit quicker.... so bring it on.

    Trimaran Stealth Corvette?

    Just using your eyes will tell you it is not a stealth anything.

    The Russian navy has no shortage of ships, what it has is a shortage of brand new ships, but what it also has is a lack of a need for a huge number of new ships.

    the support vessels are being built... which is priority number one. In the back ground other systems and upgrades are going into effect... and Saturn producing replacement engines and propulsion systems is just step one.... they also need to expand production to produce the new systems as well as all the stuff they were producing before.

    I was coming to this forum to tell you all to behave but I pretty much think the verbal abuse is fully justified... though Mike please tone it down, however I can see why you are calling idiots idiots lowering yourself to their level just makes you look bad. Smile

    Garry your excuses are getting old and your counterarguments are red herring.

    Firstly, this fact that russia doesn't need to rely on its navy as much as the west doesn't mean ridiculous build times are acceptable. Like it or not, Russia NEEDS new ships ASAP because it needs to replace  a massive amount of aging ones.

    Secondly, the faster these ships are built, the more of the docks are free to take in new projects and build new ships for export.

    Germany also doesn't need a large navy and they're not in a hurry, yet they don't take 7-12 FUCKIN YEARS to build and test new frigates and naval technology. It wouldn't take as long even if they had to build new engines for them from scratch.

    The excuse that once the production problems with the first  ship are sorted out the rest of the class will be built much faster is a crock of BS. There are 6 buyans already, and all of them have pathetic build times.

    It doesn't matter how uber powerful Russian naval weapons are, as long as they aren't on combat ships they don't mean shit, so don't use that as your counterargument.

    garry wrote:Also lets be serious.... this little boat can kill terrorist bases 2,500km away with land attack cruise missiles... which NATO boat can do the same?
    A little 500t boat that takes as long to build as a 4000ton Indian/western/chinese frigate. Which NATO little boat has the same build time? Also, there are too few of these little boats because Zelenodolsk builds as fast as a brigade of drunk gypsy construction workers.

    BTW aren't the 9M96, Shtil, and UKSK mounts already matured enough to reduce test and build time of Russian military ships?


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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:41 am

    Is it just me or is anyone else here having cautious optimism towards Amur? I have the feeling that they're getting fed up on being the retarded laughingstock sideshow of Russian military shipyards and are accelerating their build speed towards normal levels. The same can't be said for the retards at Zelenodolsk, Zvezdochka, and Severnaya Verf.
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:31 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Isos wrote:Against your carrier, kilo subs are enough.

    Hypothetical.

    Day 0. Regime change/Maidan in Venezuela. A USN task force comprising of one CV and two LPHs, plus half a dozen escorts (not of the Colombian type, rather ABs and Ticos) is sailing and operating just outside Venezuelan waters. Helos are flying off of them carriers supporting the regime change.

    Day 1. A Russian Kilo SSK sails off from Sevastopol/Novorosiisk.


    Day 2. Loyalist Venezuelan military revolt against the attempted putsch and the coup fails. CIA agitators captured and displayed on national TV to "confess", complete with the odd black eye or two.
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:58 pm

    "Baltiysky Zavod - Shipbuilding" LLC will cease to exist

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2857565.html


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    Post  T-47 on Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:10 pm

    George1 wrote:"Baltiysky Zavod - Shipbuilding" LLC will cease to exist

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2857565.html

    As you quoted
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov

    There's been a pause in bigger than corvette order so obviously there are shits to fix. We can argue here all day but the truth is something is wrong and they are working for fixing.
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:50 pm

    T-47 wrote:
    George1 wrote:"Baltiysky Zavod - Shipbuilding" LLC will cease to exist

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2857565.html

    As you quoted
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov

    There's been a pause in bigger than corvette order so obviously there are shits to fix. We can argue here all day but the truth is something is wrong and they are working for fixing.

    Considering how odd these shipyards are working, i can't help but feel that there may be some internal struggles happening between these yards and the MoD, like what happened with Sergei Korolev, Vladimir Chelomey and Valentin Glushko during the Soviet moon mission.
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:05 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Isos wrote:Against your carrier, kilo subs are enough.

    Hypothetical.

    Day 0. Regime change/Maidan in Venezuela. A USN task force comprising of one CV and two LPHs, plus half a dozen escorts (not of the Colombian type, rather ABs and Ticos) is sailing and operating just outside Venezuelan waters. Helos are flying off of them carriers supporting the regime change.

    Day 1. A Russian Kilo SSK sails off from Sevastopol/Novorosiisk.


    Day 2.  Loyalist Venezuelan military revolt against the attempted putsch and the coup fails.  CIA agitators captured and displayed on national TV to "confess", complete with the odd black eye or two.

    Not exactly what happened in Ukraine (and I'm not talking about Crimea or Donbas).
    Maidan is very possible in Venezuela and Russia has no tools here (let alone a tool box). Power projection is not Kilo SSK territory.

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    Post  ATLASCUB on Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:52 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Isos wrote:Against your carrier, kilo subs are enough.

    Hypothetical.

    Day 0. Regime change/Maidan in Venezuela. A USN task force comprising of one CV and two LPHs, plus half a dozen escorts (not of the Colombian type, rather ABs and Ticos) is sailing and operating just outside Venezuelan waters. Helos are flying off of them carriers supporting the regime change.

    Day 1. A Russian Kilo SSK sails off from Sevastopol/Novorosiisk.


    Day 2.  Loyalist Venezuelan military revolt against the attempted putsch and the coup fails.  CIA agitators captured and displayed on national TV to "confess", complete with the odd black eye or two.

    Not exactly what happened in Ukraine (and I'm not talking about Crimea or Donbas).
    Maidan is very possible in Venezuela and Russia has no tools here (let alone a tool box). Power projection is not Kilo SSK territory.

    The Russians are inept at this so it shouldn't be an example at all. The way you save Venezuela is by preoccupying the U.S elsewhere and aiding its economy. Brazil and Argentina are good targets to open as new fronts - the new puppets are merely a setback. Colombia is in the cooking jar....just a matter of cooking the stew well, which will take time....give the Cubans aid as well to expedite the processes, and they'll work their magic. It's much easier and less costly in the long run too.
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  kvs on Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:45 am

    George1 wrote:"Baltiysky Zavod - Shipbuilding" LLC will cease to exist

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2857565.html

    Rather normal for a division losing business to be restructured. Only when it comes to Russia all sorts of BS
    exaggeration and tin foil hat ruminations get activated. If it is not clear enough, the Russian shipbuilding industry
    has real competition.
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:09 am

    6 months is that a joke whoever said 6 months? A year is how long it should take to complete ships like Buyan that gives the budget time to refresh, you are trying to deflect right here by saying 6 months and you are pulling this number out of thin air to try and prove your silly point. When no one ever said six months.

    I said a boat.... I didn't say what sort of boat... it could be a row boat.

    It is giving an example to make a point.

    Discussion... you know.... as opposed to argument where you attack the person by saying their points are silly without refuting them.

    You know Garry you have this bad habit of doing that creating false and stupid points to make yourself look right and I get tired of seeing you do this again and again and again. It really doesn't make me want to take you seriously if your going to do that.

    I get really tired of people complaining that the Russians don't know how to build ships any more because they take more time than those people expect... I suppose at least you are not like Van and think it is all Putins fault.... Smile

    3 years is pathetic for a ship like buyan-M and there is no excuse for that long and if you are honestly going to defend this then it shows your just fanboying trying to defend. If this was a frigate sure that would be a reasonable amount of time.

    This is a small ship with a battle management system fitted to all new Russian vessels, with all new systems and weapons... why the fuck do you think they can get that done in a year?

    If these were just simple corvettes like the Soviets used to have with a big anti ship missile and a 30mm gatling then fine it would take a year, but these vessels are fully multirole with anti ship, land attack, and anti sub capabilities.... well don't take my word for it.... read this:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/09/26/packing-punch-buyan-m-corvettes-built-russian-navy.html

    In particular these points:

    With a relatively small size, the ship stands out for its capability to strike at targets deep into enemy territory. It was instrumental in launching the first Kalibr SS-N-30A cruise missiles  in October 7, 2015 from the Caspian Sea to strike terrorist targets in Syria.

    The capability of relatively small ships, such as Buyan-M corvettes, to fire the weapon was a demonstration of distributed lethality with weapons and sensors spread out to multiple units instead of being concentrated on a few large platforms.

    The design incorporates stealth features to reduce the radar cross section. The flexible open architecture of the ships allows for modifications according to the future requirements. The corvette features better sea-keeping capabilities for navigation in stormy conditions. It can use weapons in conditions of sea state 4.

    With the displacement of less than 1,000 tons the Buyan-M has the land targets strike capability comparable to the US Arleigh Buke class destroyer with the displacement of 6900 tons. The Kalibr missile is a weapon to change the calculus of the reach and effectiveness of smaller naval combatants. The use of Kalibr during the Syrian conflict demonstrated that today Russia is second to none when it comes to long-range precision strike capability.

    The ship has an important advantage to make it unique. Its displacement allows it to effectively operate in rivers. The Volga and the tributaries form the biggest riverine system in Europe connected to the Caspian Sea. Armed with the weapons not covered by the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, the relatively cheap corvette can be easily redeployed using Russia’s inland waterways. The Buyan class corvettes based in the Caspian Sea can use the riverine ways to operate in different areas.

    A ship of this class can go to Moscow, «the port of five seas», through the Moscow Canal and then move to the Black Sea, the Caspian Sea, the White Sea, the Sea of Azov and the Baltic. The corvette can launch cruise missiles from a vast expanse of territory. The Buyan-M ship with long range missiles on board does not violate the Intermediate Forces Treaty (INF), which bans only ground-based intermediate range missiles. The NATO ballistic missile defense sites in Romania and Poland are within the range of its cruise missiles.

    The corvette is highly mobile and difficult to track. According to a US naval intelligence report, «The new technologically advanced Russian Navy, increasingly armed with the Kalibr family of weapons, will be able to more capably defend the maritime approaches to the Russian Federation and exert significant influence in adjacent seas».

    The Buyan-M is a unique example of the Russian Navy’s ability to make general purpose naval forces perform the function of non-nuclear deterrence against potential enemies. The corvette is a perfect tool to carry out peacetime missions, including the fight against terrorism in local and low-intensity conflicts. The Syrian campaign clearly showed the need for such ships.

    The operational range of the missiles installed on the Buyan-M ships homeported in the Caspian and Black seas covers the entire Caucasus and large parts of Central Asia and the Middle East - the areas where threats to Russia’s national security are most likely to emerge, especially from international terrorist organizations. The ship is a good example of effective deterrence against contemporary threats.

    New technology and modular design means lots of complicated interactions that needed to be tested.

    They are making this boat stealthy which means precision manufacturing.... I am sure you are aware that a B-2 is built to sub mm tollerances and anything less would make stealth ineffective... but Russia should be able to pump out cheap simple corvettes like sausages like they used to.

    WAKE UP.

    Size means nothing here corvettes are cheap so Russia can build many of them. Plenty of NATO ships can kill bases from that far away, it doesn't matter the size what matters is the number of armament and Buyan-M doesn't have enough missiles to pose a threat to a ship larger then it. Kaliber is a good missile sure but it is no wonder missile.

    As noted in the article above those missiles can directly target NATO land positions with nuclear armed warheads.

    Oh wait I forgot russian missiles are magic and can make ships sink just by being near it!.

    No they disguise themselves as cargo ships and just run into US ships...

    US can build ships of same tonnage MUCH faster, china, Japan, Korea....

    You have said yourself an icebreaker is not the same as an aircraft carrier.... well I would suggest that a Buyan-M is about as similar to the same tonnage ships the US is mass producing... but no, I am already dismissed as a non thinking fan boy.


    AB destroyers cannot see in the dark now......dude for a guy who just called people idiots that comment alone is by far some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen said here. You clearly know shit about the US Navy. This is why I hate fanboys they cannot be objective etc be critical of something they like but can make up what is clear lies.

    So a few delays in production of small vessels in a few Russian ship yards and the whole Russian ship building infrastructure is shot, but US supermen.... also known as Navy captains don't post lookouts in busy ship lanes and two smash into civilian ships over a very short period and I cannot say a fucking word about the US navy.

    Those AB Destroyers will wreck whatever surface ship russia sends after them minus a upgraded Kirov. You are beyond delusional if you think the Russian navy poses any remote threat to the US navy in open waters. Cause they really don't.

    You talk about magic Russian anti ship missiles as a put down... love that you are such a hypocrite... sure.. the US navy has an excellent record for Killing.... I mean Iranian airbuses get attacked by US warships illegally in Iranian waters, and US Navy sub captains love sinking Japanese fishing boats when surfacing to show off to visitors on board, but against real enemies their record is rather non existent.

    Of course a couple of F-14s shooting down some Su-22 light bombers when one of them drops a drop tank shows their real character... trigger happy cowards I believe is the correct term.

    The sad thing is you seem to think I want Russia to fight the US and be able to beat them... I am glad the Russians are not wasting that sort of money and the US is...

    Hilary Clinton is going to beat Trump to become president of the USA, Russia wont stand up to the US terrorists in Syria and Assad will fall, Russia wont stop NATO from taking Sevastopol, US Carriers are safe from everything, and your opinion about the Russian military and their ability to make ships is important to me.

    My list of things that the western experts got wrong... not a complete list obviously...

    They don't want too many corvettes. They are also keeping money for bigger ships and for upgrading facilities .. new port in black sea, upgrading tartous, upgrading shipyards ... It doesn t matter that they are cheap corvettes, if you buy lot of them it will cost lot.

    these are not just little torpedo boats or missile boats... these vessels are full of state of the art electronics and comms systems... floating 50 up the various rivers of Russia and arm them with land attack nuclear armed 3-5,000km range cruise missiles and you totally bypass the INF treaty...

    Most of US fanboys think that the theorical calculs they do with the anti air capabilities of the aegis will work aagainst true anti ship missiles ... the fact is that it won't.

    Talk of magic anti ship missiles... the ABs are magic.... they are at the same time filled with land attack cruise missiles AND SAMs to both attack and defend themselves.... just like their carrier groups at the same time see all threats but are totally silent and emission free and hard to find...

    Firstly, this fact that russia doesn't need to rely on its navy as much as the west doesn't mean ridiculous build times are acceptable. Like it or not, Russia NEEDS new ships ASAP because it needs to replace  a massive amount of aging ones.

    Based on what?

    First you say they don't need a navy and then you say it is critical they build lots of ships right now.

    The Soviet navy was much bigger than the Russian navy needs to be... there are plenty of vessels they don't need that they have... there is no rush for an all new fleet.

    Secondly, the faster these ships are built, the more of the docks are free to take in new projects and build new ships for export.

    They seem to be exporting vessels just fine... there is no huge unsatisfied market right now.

    Germany also doesn't need a large navy and they're not in a hurry, yet they don't take 7-12 FUCKIN YEARS to build and test new frigates and naval technology. It wouldn't take as long even if they had to build new engines for them from scratch.

    Germany couldn't send three corvettes to the Med and hit 20 odd targets with precision guided cruise missiles... even her subs couldn't do that.

    The excuse that once the production problems with the first  ship are sorted out the rest of the class will be built much faster is a crock of BS. There are 6 buyans already, and all of them have pathetic build times.

    Funny... I thought there was an M in front of the most recent designs... are they really all identical and all from the same shipyard?

    Looking at the wiki page...

    the first Buyan was the Astrakhan Laid down 30th Jan 2004 launched October 2005 and commissioned the following year on the first of september 2006.

    That is not bad for the first in a series. Clearly the later delays have nothing to do with actually building the ship because they had already built one.

    It doesn't matter how uber powerful Russian naval weapons are, as long as they aren't on combat ships they don't mean shit, so don't use that as your counterargument.

    NATO can pump out all the little cheap gunboats it likes they are inconsequential... Russia does not need any of those.

    Russia could make shit little boats with Soviet era weapons and electronics and pump out dozens a year but what the fuck would be the point... ego? to please internet warriors like you who want to brag about how many new ships the Russians are making?

    I am glad they are making them more capable than NATO Frigates... sell them to some African countries and watch the once mighty colonial european powers scatter like leaves...

    BTW aren't the 9M96, Shtil, and UKSK mounts already matured enough to reduce test and build time of Russian military ships?

    Yeah, they are all the same... they just put M in front of every ship class name after they make a few to make it look like they are improving the design based on production and operational testing... smoke and mirrors.


    Considering how odd these shipyards are working, i can't help but feel that there may be some internal struggles happening between these yards and the MoD, like what happened with Sergei Korolev, Vladimir Chelomey and Valentin Glushko during the Soviet moon mission.

    Don't be silly.... they have obviously forgotten how to make ships...

    The Russians are inept at this so it shouldn't be an example at all.

    Love the irony... the Russians are no good at subverting democracy and imposing regime change on other soverign countries... the US are the experts on violating all democratic and peaceful norms... have to agree... but Russia will win because they will send Russian hackers....[/quote]
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  George1 on Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:48 pm

    United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC)

    The United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) is the largest shipbuilding holding in Russia. The corporation includes 40 shipbuilding, ship-repair factories and design bureaus. At the USC enterprises 80,000 people work. Almost all warships under construction and developed for the Russian Navy (95%) are manufactured and repaired by the enterprises of the corporation. 100% stake in USC is owned by the state.

    1. "Admiralty Shipyards" (St. Petersburg).

    One of the oldest shipbuilding enterprises in Russia, the first industrial enterprise of the northern capital. The basic enterprise of the shipbuilding industry, the center of non-nuclear submarine shipbuilding in Russia.

    Over 310 years of operations, the company has built more than 2,600 ships and vessels of various types and classes: the first Russian steamships, battleships and cruisers, the world's first nuclear icebreaker, unique research and deepwater vehicles, tankers of various types, including reinforced ice class, more than 300 submarines of various projects, which have no analogues in the world shipbuilding.
    The enterprise implements a number of contracts for domestic and foreign customers.





    2. "Arctec Helsinki Shipyard" / Arctech Helsinki Shipyard.

    The shipyard, located in Finland, was established in 1865. The company is engaged in the construction of icebreakers and special vessels for the development of the Arctic shelf, as well as vessels providing platforms.

    Now the shipyard is building four of the most modern in its class vessel and a tanker-kondesatovoz.



    The construction of an icebreaker supply vessel of the project P-71014 was named "Gennady Nevelskoy". Three more ships will receive the names: "Stepan Makarov", "Fedor Ushakov" and "Mikhail Lazarev."



    The main functions of ships are the supply of drilling platforms in the northeastern part of the Sakhalin shelf.



    In December 2010 Arctech Helsinki Shipyard became a member of the United Shipbuilding Corporation.


    3. The Baltic factory.

    The enterprise produces ships and vessels, nuclear and diesel-electric icebreakers of a new generation, floating nuclear power plants, as well as equipment for shipbuilding, nuclear and chemical industries, and machine building products. Founded on May 26, 1856, the Baltic Plant created more than 550 ships and ships.



    The largest in Russia slipway of a length of 350 meters allows the enterprise to build ships with a dead-weight of up to 100,000 tons.

    The nuclear icebreaker "Arctic" - the main ship of Project 22220. Launched on June 16, 2016.
    It is the largest and most powerful icebreaker in the world. The limiting thickness of the ice to be overcome is 2.8 meters.



    The Baltic Plant is the only manufacturer in Russia of large propellers made of bronze and brass with a diameter of up to 8 meters.



    Large-sized equipment is transported by self-propelled platforms with lifting capacity of 150 and 200 tons.



    The weight of one section assembled at the Baltic plant reaches 140 tons.

    Dostrochnaya embankment of the Baltic plant. Now the floating power unit with two reactors "Akademik Lomonosov" is being built here. It is designed for operation in the Far North and Far East. "Academician Lomonosov" will be installed in the city of Pevek of the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug.




    4. Shipyard "Severnaya Verf".


    The largest shipbuilding factory in Russia, which is engaged in the construction of combat surface ships of the corvette, frigate, destroyer and special-purpose ships for the Russian Navy.

    Severnaya Verf (formerly Putilovskaya) was founded in 1912 and is one of the leading enterprises of the Russian defense industry.



    Over a hundred years of history, the shipyard built about 600 surface ships and commercial vessels for the Navy and civilian fleets, including missile cruisers, anti-aircraft defense ships, large anti-submarine ships and destroyers, passenger and dry cargo ships, container ships, ro-ro type vessels , bulkers, tugboats, supply vessels, ferries and floating docks.



    The ship of logistical support "Elbrus" of the project 23120. It is intended for transportation of dry cargoes, towage maintenance and rendering of the help.



    5. The Middle Nevsky Shipyard.

    The leader of composite shipbuilding in Russia and the only enterprise in the country that mastered the construction of ships and vessels of four types of materials: shipbuilding, low-magnetic steel, composite materials and aluminum-magnesium alloys.



    The enterprise has mastered the modern technology of manufacturing cases from composite materials by the method of vacuum infusion.

    The essence of the method in creating a vacuum inside the enclosure, through which impregnation of the reinforcing material and retraction of resins occurs.



    Infusion reduces the voids in the structure of the material, increases the environmental friendliness of production and reduces financial costs.

    The Sredne-Nevsky Plant takes part in the international ITER project to create the world's first experimental thermonuclear reactor. The project is intended to demonstrate the possibilities of commercial use of a thermonuclear reactor. The ITER facilities are located on an area of ​​180 hectares in France.

    At the enterprise in St. Petersburg one of the six coils of the magnetic system of a thermonuclear reactor is produced. These coils are necessary for the formation and retention of plasma in the reactor. The planned completion dates for the ITER project are 2021.




    6. Vyborg Shipyard.

    One of the largest shipbuilding enterprises located in the North-West region of Russia, specializing in the production of deep-sea semi-submersible drilling platforms and floating extraction complexes for the development and development of offshore fields. Vyborg Shipyard also produces stationary production platforms, icebreakers, fishing trawlers, ice-class vessels and supply vessels.

    For 68 years, the shipyard has built 210 vessels for various purposes, 9 offshore drilling platforms and 105 modules for the development of oil and gas fields.

    The shipyard has the necessary equipment and personnel to carry out a complex of works on the repair and re-equipment of ships.



    The enterprise is engaged in the work on the dimensional modernization of vessels and the re-equipment of vessels of the river register class in the "river-sea" vessels.



    Novorossiysk is the third icebreaker in the 21900M project series. The vessels of this project are able to overcome ice thickness up to 1.5 meters. These are the most powerful diesel-electric icebreakers among all operating icebreakers in Russia.



    7. The Kronstadt Marine Plant.

    The plant has been one of the leading ship repair enterprises in Russia for the last century and a half, the largest in the North-West region. Among the ships and ships repaired by the Marine Plant, the first domestic battleships, the first nautical destroyer "Vzryv", cruisers "Aurora", "Varyag", battleships "Sevastopol", "October Revolution", destroyers of the "Novik" type, submarines, icebreakers "Ermak "And" Krasin "and many others.



    The solemn opening of the Marine Plant took place on March 3 (15), 1858, in the presence of Emperor Alexander II.

    The company has four dry docks. They allow to carry out dοck repairs of ships and vessels up to 230 meters long and displacement up to 40,000 tons.
    The total length of the berth of the repair embankments is 500 meters.



    Gas-turbine production at the Marine Plant has been in existence since 1967. Over the years, more than 360 units of ship engines and plants have been repaired. The bench complex created at the enterprise allows to carry out a full cycle of engine tests.




    8. Production Association "Sevmash".

    Sevmash is the largest shipbuilding complex in Russia, the only shipyard in the country that builds nuclear submarines for the Navy. In addition to military shipbuilding, Sevmash carries out orders for the construction of civil vessels, marine equipment for oil and gas production, manufactures products for engineering, metallurgical, oil and gas and other industries.



    The capabilities of the slipways allow the enterprise to build ships with a hull width up to 38 meters with deadweight up to 100,000 tons.

    Sevmash designs ships, offshore structures, ship equipment and equipment for oil and gas production, provides warranty repair services, upgrades of nuclear submarines and surface ships, and recycles.

    The enterprise is located on the territory of more than 300 hectares and unites more than 100 subdivisions in its structure.



    9. The Baltic shipyard Yantar.

    The only Russian shipbuilding company located in the southeast non-freezing part of the Baltic Sea. The Baltic Shipyard specializes in military and civil shipbuilding, as well as ship repair, engineering and metalworking. The main specificity of the Yantar shipyard is ships and vessels with a high degree of technical saturation.



    The area of ​​the covered buildings and slipways of the enterprise is more than 600,000 square meters. m. Possibilities for assembling sections and metal structures - up to 15 000 tons per year.
    The outfitting resources of the enterprise are two staple complexes - "Yantar" and "Burevestnik". Dimensions of the Yantar slipway allow the construction of ships and vessels with a launch weight of up to 10,000 tons, displacement up to 12,000 tons, with a maximum length of 145 meters and a width of 26 meters. The small slipway "Burevestnik" provides the construction of vessels with a launching weight of up to 2200 tons, a width of up to 15 meters.
    The unique climatic conditions of the non-freezing Baltic make it possible to carry out year-round ship transportation to customers.



    The shipyard 33 is located in the most western city of Russia - Baltiysk, Kaliningrad region.

    It is a strategic enterprise of the military-industrial complex and specializes in the repair of warships, boats, special ships and auxiliary fleet vessels. Since the early 1990s, the plant has mastered and accumulated a unique experience in repairing civilian vessels: the fishing fleet, the river-sea transport type, oil-loading, dry-cargo and research vessels, including hovercraft.



    ​​For off-site repair, the plant has two floating composite docks of the project 10090 with a carrying capacity of 4,500 tons each. The docks are inspected by the safety inspection of diving and deepwater navigation, as well as by the inspection of the guest inspection.



    The company repairs and balances propellers made of carbon and stainless steel, bronze and brass.

    For out-of-service repairs the plant 33 has equipped quays, including berth 46 with a port crane with a payload capacity of 16 tons and a repair pier equipped with a portal crane with a payload capacity of 32 tons.



    10. Amur Shipbuilding Plant is the largest shipbuilding enterprise in the Far East, located in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.



    The plant builds submarines and combat surface ships for the Navy, as well as vessels of various classes and purposes. This is the only enterprise in the Far East that has a base for building ships with a nuclear power plant.

    The Amur Shipbuilding Plant possesses the necessary production facilities and technologies for the construction of ships and ships of military and civilian use with a displacement of up to 25,000 tons. The complex consists of closed heated shelters, including 9 docks, a bulk pool and water area.

    Throughout history, the Amur Shipyard has built more than 300 ships and vessels for various purposes.



    11. Khabarovsk Shipyard.


    One of the largest shipbuilding enterprises in the Far East. Khabarovsk Shipbuilding Plant builds both military ships for the Russian Navy and foreign customers, as well as civil ships (including hovercraft). He is engaged in the manufacture of technical products for all industries and ship repair.



    The technical capabilities of the plant allow building ships with a displacement of up to 1500 tons, and after the completion of modernization, up to 2500.

    The Murena-E landing craft under construction at Project 12061E. Designed to receive and transport detachments of marines.


    12. Plant "Red Sormovo".

    One of the oldest Russian shipbuilding plants, founded in 1849. For 75 years, built and modernized more than 300 submarines and rescue vehicles, including 25 nuclear. And for all its history Sormovskaya shipyard built about 2,000 ships of the civilian fleet.



    Today Krasnoye Sormovo builds commercial fleet vessels. The plant has mastered the construction of the largest oil tankers with a deadweight of more than 13,000 tons, chemical tankers and methanol carriers.




    13. The branch "Sevastopol Marine Plant" of the Ship Repair Center "Zvezdochka".

    One of the largest enterprises is not only ship repair, but also shipbuilding, located on the south-western coast of the Crimea. Founded in 1783 as the Sevastopol Marine Plant. Ordzhonikidze, is one of the city's city-forming enterprises. The enterprise can build vessels up to 100 meters long, up to 27 meters wide, with a displacement of up to 6,000 tons and a launch weight of up to 3,000 tons.



    In its history, the Sevastopol Marine Plant has built more than 500 ships and vessels and more than 70 floating cranes with load capacity from 50 to 1600 tons. Repaired more than 5,000 ships and ships.

    Dostrochnye embankments allow you to moor ships and ships up to 300 meters in length and displacement up to 150,000 tons. Location peculiarities and production capacities allow performing year-round repairs, docking, re-equipment and modernization of ships and vessels of various class and purpose.




    14. Shipyard "Lotus".


    It is one of the largest enterprises in the Astrakhan region and the Southern Federal District. "Lotus" is building river-sea class vessels. Shipbuilders implement projects of dry-cargo ships, chemical tankers, oil tankers and barges-turnkey sites.



    The plant's capacities allow to produce slip and all types of repair work of various vessels up to 6,000 tons and up to 140 meters in length.

    Shipbuilding plant "Lotos" is the first resident of the special economic zone.

    15. Astrakhan Shipbuilding Production Association (AFS).

    AFS is the production division of the group of companies "Caspian Energy". The structure of AFS included the largest Astrakhan shipbuilding yards: ASPO Headquarters, ASPO Site 3 and shipbuilding plant "Lotos". Favorable geographical location of production sites, proximity to the Caspian Sea, as well as a unique experience in the construction and modernization of drilling platforms make the AFS production complex optimal for the construction of technical facilities for exploration and production of hydrocarbons on the shelf.

    On the photo: Works on construction of blocks of the support base of the block-conductor (marine ice-resistant stationary platform) of project 4740.



    The capacities of assembly and welding production allow to collect and export modules weighing up to 1000 tons to an open site.
    The production capacity for the manufacture of metal structures in the workshops of hull-processing production is 12,000 tons per year.



    Floating crane "Volgar" - single-hull, non-self-propelled crane length of 86 meters.

    The reloading berth for the floating crane "Volgar" is located on the southern slipway of the head shipyard of the AFS. Plavkran consists of one non-rotating boom with the lifts placed on it. Load capacity 1550 tons, the crew of 23 people.



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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  ZoA on Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:51 pm

    That some sexy post George. Should get NSFW tag Razz
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:06 pm

    Plant "Yantar" plans to receive orders from the Ministry of Defense of Russia for auxiliary vessels

    As reported by the St. Petersburg edition of the newspaper Kommersant in an article by Herman Kostrinsky, "Yantar" expects a supporting series. New orders of the Ministry of Defense must load the plant from 2019 ", to ensure the loading of the Kaliningrad Baltic shipyard Yantar in the coming years will be able to order the Russian Ministry of Defense for auxiliary vessels." Taking into account the impossibility of completing the construction of frigates 11356 because of the non-delivery of Ukrainian power units, for the shipyard is extremely important: the completion of the remaining frigates will take slightly more than six months, after which the plant's portfolio will be reduced to a minimum over the past few years.

    In 2019, the Baltic shipyard Yantar can receive new orders from the Ministry of Defense, said shipyard general director Eduard Efimov during a meeting with the union of the enterprise. Information about the meeting was published in the factory trade union newspaper Vpered !, the factory expects to receive auxiliary vessels.

    "From 2019, the prospect of obtaining contracts from the Ministry of Defense for the construction of auxiliary vessels opens, since we are approved as the sole executor of such orders. In addition, the Main Directorate of Deepwater Research (MGUGI) of the RF Ministry of Defense intends to build another Almaz-type vessel, its bookmark is scheduled for 2019, "- says the factory edition. The material does not indicate which vessels Yantar is claiming and how many will require the fleet. The press service of the shipyard refused to answer the questions of Kommersant concerning auxiliary vessels.

    Of known projects for these parameters suits a vessel-kilector (for underwater cargo operations), an order for which Kaliningrad was to receive in early 2017. A conflict of interest between several design bureaus and shipyards is associated with the ship. To build it was intended private factory "Pella". The designer was ZAO Spetssudoproekt, which, together with Pella, developed a draft of the vessel 23120M. To do this, Spetssudoproekt was reworked by the project 23120 created earlier. The plant's proposal had one weak point: the construction was to be carried out at the Hamburg plant Pella Sietas GmbH. The German shipyard has the necessary production facilities for the shipbuilding, at the same time it badly needs new orders. But the federal government's policy of placing large shipbuilding orders on the territory of Russia led to the abandonment of construction in Germany in favor of Kaliningrad. According to Kommersant's interlocutors in the industry, the Nizhny Novgorod Vympel was claimed for the development of the vessel's documentation, which is intended to be entrusted to the USC by almost all civil engineering design and the TsKB "Baltsuudoproekt", which is part of the Krylov State Research Center. However, at the beginning of the year the Navy abandoned the construction, moving it for an indefinite period. According to sources, "Kommersant", the reason was supposedly the difference between the plant and the customer in price.

    According to Kommersant's information, a new technical assignment for the development of the project of a klektor should be announced by the Navy before the end of the year. The development of documentation will take about a year, that is, construction will begin no earlier than 2019. In addition, the ministry also needs a tanker and a dry cargo ship.

    Kommersant's interlocutors note that new orders are needed for Yantar in the coming years. The frigates of the project 11356, which provided the main loading of the plant, were almost completed: "Admiral Makarov" (third in the series) was practically transferred to the fleet, Butakov was launched, Istomin was on the pile with a practically completed superstructure, the Kornilov corps was assembled, but add-in is not installed. The last three frigates after the start of the Russian-Ukrainian conflict never received gas turbine power plants from the city of Nikolaev. The completion of ships will be carried out in the event that they are bought by India, negotiations with which have been going on for more than a year. "Kornilov", given its readiness, can remain in the state of the welded hull - Russian-made gas turbines for this series will be available in a few years: the first in line for power units are the more modern frigates 22350 built at the Northern shipyard. According to the interlocutors of "Kommersant" in the industry, the completion of the fourth and fifth "admirals" will take no more than six months.

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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:13 pm

    The construction of floating cranes was resumed at the Sevastopol Marine Plant

    As reported by United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), on October 31, 2017 at the Inkerman production site of the branch "Sevastopol Marine Works" JSC "Ship Repair Center" Zvezdochka "(part of USC) was started the cutting of metal for the construction of a floating section of a floating crane of a carrying capacity 400 tons under the project of CDB "Coral" (Sevastopol). The floating crane received the serial number 0001 and the official name of the PK-400 "Sevastopol".



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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  George1 on Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:16 pm

    Start of construction of a new shipbuilding complex at the Northern Shipyard

    As Severnaya Verf Shipyard reported in its press release, within the framework of the first stage of the New Shipbuilding Project, Severnaya Verf (part of OSK) and Metrostroy signed a contract for the construction of a site and a slipway. the complex will allow the Northern Shipyard to build large-capacity vessels and ships.

    Under the terms of the contract, Metrostroy will build a platform site with a two-spiral slip of 250m x 140m x 75m. The Elling will be equipped with overhead cranes with a payload capacity of 350 tons and modern transmission equipment based on self-propelled ship trains. It will house the production sites of the slip, dostroechnogo and mehanomontazhnogo production. The work should be completed in the first quarter of 2019.



    At the second stage it is planned to modernize the shipyard and assembly and welding production of the shipyard.

    Igor Ponomarev, General Director of the Northern Shipyard, explained: "The sources of financing were the funds of the United Shipbuilding Corporation and the Federal Target Program." He stressed that the new complex will allow to build large-block way large-capacity vessels and ships with a mass of up to 25 thousand tons. This will expand the range of products manufactured at the plant to new-generation frigates, landing craft, gas carriers, oil tankers.

    The general director of JSC "Metrostroy" Nikolai Alexandrov said that metro construction workers had already entered the construction site. Now she is settling in a construction town, testing the test pile bushes. In parallel, Metrostroy is in talks with suppliers of materials and equipment, places orders for the manufacture of metal structures, develops logistic schemes of supply.

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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  miroslav on Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:14 am

    Shady business in the Admiralty shipyard, hope it doesn't interfere with the production of submarines for Pacific fleet.

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