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    Post  TR1 on Thu May 15, 2014 2:10 am

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/852972.html

    Zelenodolsk received an order for 5 more project 22100 coast guard ships, for FSB use in the North primarily. The lead ship of the class was laid down in 2012, and should be launched this year.
    These are the biggest ships built by the shipyard, at around 3000 tons.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:25 am

    The state-owned United Shipbuilding Corporation, or USC, might undergo a radical restructuring in an attempt to lift itself out of a slump of consistently poor performance.

    The majority of enterprises in the corporation are routinely unprofitable, with many of them losing more than 500 million rubles ($15.5 million) each year, according to a report to be reviewed Friday at a conference of the Russian government's Marine Council, Kommersant reported.

    The reasons behind the company's stagnation are many and systemic: its facilities are worn out, renovation is slow, production is 20 to 50 percent more expensive than making ships abroad and takes up to twice as long.

    USC’s new strategy states that to facilitate growth, the company will require investments totaling one trillion rubles ($31 billion) by 2030, with 20 percent of that sum coming from the federal budget.

    The company’s plan hopes to increase profits from the current 160 billion rubles a year to 500 billion rubles a year by 2030.

    The plan says USC will need to completely overhaul its operations to do so, abandoning regional subholdings in favor of five new production divisions — three military and two civil.

    This restructuring would see such cornerstones of Russian shipbuilding as St. Petersburg's Baltic Shipyard and Admiralty Shipyard shut down and their operations moved to other existing facilities.

    The strategy, developed by recently appointed USC head Vladimir Shmakov, is completely the opposite of that taken by his predecessor Andrei Dyachkov, who pursued decentralization through the transfer of authority to regional sub-holdings and the construction of new shipyards.

    Dyachkov was fired in May following censure from Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who is head of the Marine Council and oversees the defense industry.

    Individuals familiar with the topic said Shmakov's strategy could face opposition from Rogozin, who favors the development of new facilities.

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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  Austin on Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:52 am

    Request to any one who understands Russian , Its an interview with USC President.

    Can some one translate the key points of interview ?


    Alexey Rakhmanov President of "United sudostoitelnaya Corporation"


    Russian shipbuilding in the new political and economic realities



    http://www.echo.msk.ru/programs/arsenal/1367958-echo/
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:39 am

    The Zvezda Shipbuilding Complex is expected to manufacture tankers with a displacement of up to 350 thousand tons, LNG carriers, ice class vessels, specialized vessels, and offshore platform units in 2020.

    After 2020 this could be a good place to start production of military aircraft carriers...


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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:21 pm

    http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1101&MainCatID=11&id=20140930000078
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  zg18 on Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:02 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1101&MainCatID=11&id=20140930000078

    IMHO Shipbuilding was hardest hit by the post-USSR collapse , it will take the longest time to recuperate fully. It would be wise to inch a deal with Chinese to build ship frames and load it with new Russian tech. In any case , they are more reliable than French due to full strategic independence.
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  Mike E on Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:51 pm

    zg18 wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1101&MainCatID=11&id=20140930000078

    IMHO Shipbuilding was hardest hit by the post-USSR collapse , it will take the longest time to recuperate fully. It would be wise to inch a deal with Chinese to build ship frames and load it with new Russian tech. In any case , they are more reliable than French due to full strategic independence.
    That article reeks of crap... The Russian naval industry is continually restrengthening, and shouldn't rely on foreign ships... Besides, the 054A would slot right below the Gorshkov, making it compete with the indigenous and arguably superior Grigorovich. - It would be a downgrade... Its only advantage is its lower cost, but you get what you pay for!

    They claim the Gorshkov is "lacking funding and inadequate facility technology"!

    "Russia has been a mentor to China as it builds up its national defense technology. Now that the Chinese student has outpaced the Russian teacher, "there is no shame" asking for assistance from China, the report said." - Outpace? - Sure. Create better products? - Now way in $#%&!

    "China's Type 054A frigate, codenamed Jiangkai II by NATO, is a perfect fit for the Russian navy for many reasons. First of all, the model was designed and built with help from Russia's leading shipmaker, the Northern Design Bureau in St Petersburg. Second, the ship is equipped with weapons and electronic facilities that are designed according to the specs of samples, allowing the parts to be interchanged conveniently. Third, the advanced war ship meets Russian's demands for powerful weapons, invisibility, adaptability and endurance. Finally, the Type 054A frigate worked well with Russian flotillas well during the Russia-China military drill in May, which shows its capability to work side-by-side with Russian ships."

    These guys must be kidding... 

    1) Sure, it was partly designed by NDB, but what good is that when it is an export! - NBD wouldn't give them anything that Russia's fleet doesn't have...

    2) Most ships nowadays are modular, including the future Russian frigates...

    3) Powerful weapons? - All Chinese made versions of Soviet technology!

    That being said, zg18, you are correct... Scoring a deal where China *only* builds the hull etc, and Russia is the one in control of R&D would be a win-win for both countries. Russia gets the ships that it wants, at a lower cost, in less time, without compromising its other naval projects. While China, gets a paycheck and work.....
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  zg18 on Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:51 pm

    Mike E wrote:That article reeks of crap... The Russian naval industry is continually restrengthening, and shouldn't rely on foreign ships... Besides, the 054A would slot right below the Gorshkov, making it compete with the indigenous and arguably superior Grigorovich. - It would be a downgrade... Its only advantage is its lower cost, but you get what you pay for!

    What do you expect? It`s expected that Chinese will brag about if someone thinks in Russia that Moscow should order from Chinese shipbuilding.

    There is no denying that great progress has been achieved but also there is no denying that some programs are very slow , it would be prudent just in case to order cheap and quick delivery platforms from China and fill it with new Russian systems.

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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:29 am

    The problem with getting the Chinese to build hulls for the Russian Navy is that if they are building them what are Russian shipyards going to be doing?

    Surely investing in a foreign company... no matter how friendly and reliable is just exporting money and expertise at the expense of the local industry.

    St Petersberg showed it could build a hull as quickly as the French and on time... where is the problem?

    BTW did you actually read the link provided?

    It is a chinese website claiming the Russian Navy wants to stop making ships and start buying Chinese ships instead... and you guys don't find that a little suspicious?


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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:53 am

    GarryB wrote:The problem with getting the Chinese to build hulls for the Russian Navy is that if they are building them what are Russian shipyards going to be doing?

    Surely investing in a foreign company... no matter how friendly and reliable is just exporting money and expertise at the expense of the local industry.

    St Petersberg showed it could build a hull as quickly as the French and on time... where is the problem?

    BTW did you actually read the link provided?

    It is a chinese website claiming the Russian Navy wants to stop making ships and start buying Chinese ships instead... and you guys don't find that a little suspicious?

    Wantchinatimes is not a Chinese paper, they're a Pro-Taiwanese paper based in Canada and I think the head editor is the infamous Andrei Chang (the female equivalent of Gordon Chang I bet), it's like calling a Pro-Ukrainian newspaper based in Canada a "Russian newspaper".
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  Mike E on Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:06 am

    GarryB wrote:The problem with getting the Chinese to build hulls for the Russian Navy is that if they are building them what are Russian shipyards going to be doing?

    Surely investing in a foreign company... no matter how friendly and reliable is just exporting money and expertise at the expense of the local industry.

    St Petersberg showed it could build a hull as quickly as the French and on time... where is the problem?

    BTW did you actually read the link provided?

    It is a chinese website claiming the Russian Navy wants to stop making ships and start buying Chinese ships instead... and you guys don't find that a little suspicious?
    No no noooooo..... The idea is to have Chinese naval yards assist the Russian ones so that the Russian naval yards can focus more on other projects and be *quicker* as well. For example, Gorshkovs could be "made in China" while other ships need the attention etc. It will help boast their economy, while being cheaper for Russia...

    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    They could do it even quicker at a lower cost. Rather than having a couple Gorshkovs getting built, you could have 10 more being built without over-over-loading the Russian naval industry.

    Sketchy link to say the least, but Magnum said it for me...

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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:24 am



    CHina building warships for Russia will be bad for Russia image... world wide.. it could damage their sales
    to India for example that buy many RUssian warships. Russia instead better build more shipyards ,they will need it..
    Things between Russia and US will only go more tense as time pass.. and Russia needs to expand and modernize
    its defense industry , so that they can develop much more faster planes ,tanks and warships. Is totally unnaceptable
    that for example Syria paid Russia for a dozen of mig-29 back in 2007 and tanks and that 7 years later Russia have failed to deliver them.. Same with India.. India had lots of problems with RUssia delays.. Algeria had problems with the quality of Russian hardware.. all those things damage the Image of Russia as a reliable vendor. Russia should have enough Industry to fulfill orders withing just one year to any frigate or combat plane they are ordered.
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  Mike E on Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:01 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    CHina building warships for Russia will be bad for Russia image... world wide.. it could damage their sales
    to India for example that buy many RUssian warships. Russia instead better build more shipyards ,they will need it..
    Things between Russia and US will only go more tense as time pass.. and Russia needs to expand and modernize
    its defense industry , so that they can develop much more faster planes ,tanks and warships. Is totally unnaceptable
    that for example Syria paid Russia for a dozen of mig-29 back in 2007 and tanks and that 7 years later Russia have failed to deliver them.. Same with India.. India had lots of problems with RUssia delays.. Algeria had problems with the quality of Russian hardware.. all those things damage the Image of Russia as a reliable vendor. Russia should have enough Industry to fulfill orders withing just one year to any frigate or combat plane they are ordered.
    Once again..... The idea is to have China build the ships that Russia can't build because of their load. This would allow Russia to receive many more ships, sooner, and at a lower cost. - In return, China gets the work and money. This wouldn't hurt their image at all, because like I mentioned earlier, it would just be "extra ships".
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:21 am

    Russia to Create Shipbuilding Cluster in Kaliningrad Region
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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:17 pm

    Plant "Zvezda" modernizing power to repair submarines
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    russian naval industry

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Feb 01, 2015 4:52 am

    thumbsup Some positive news in Crimea:

    On the reconstruction of the torpedo factory in Crimea "Gidropribor"
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    Post  George1 on Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:33 pm

    Kronstadt Naval plant will be part of "United Shipbuilding Corporation" on June 1st, 2015
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    Post  George1 on Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:02 am

    Annual Report of JSC Shipyard "Yantar" for 2014


    Key events in the activities of "Shipyard" Yantar "that occurred during 2014

    In 2014, as part of the basis for the activities of the Company were as follows the main events:
    During the construction and repair of ships for the Russian Defense Ministry:

    BDK continued construction of the project 11711 "Ivan Gren" (Head. Wc-301):
    work was carried out on completion and installation, electrical installation standard equipment.

    BDK continued construction of the project 11711 "Peter Morgunov" (Head. Wc-302):
    carried out construction work started stacker assembly hull.

    continued construction of the oceanographic vessel of project 22010 "Amber" (Head. №01602) - carried out the order completion, mooring trials in November 2014 launched the order to the factory sea trials.

    continued work on the construction project orders 11356R for the Russian Defense Ministry:
    - "Admiral Grigorovich" order manager. №357 - launched, over completion, started preparing for the kind of tests
    - "Admiral Essen" order manager. №358 - launched, over loading and installation of mechanical and special equipment, pipelines and systems
    - "Admiral Makarov" inquiry head. №359 loaded main and auxiliary engines, hull and superstructure are fully formed, the order is ready to be launched.

    works on service maintenance and repair of ships and vessels of the Baltic Fleet in the framework of the state defense order.

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    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:28 pm

    Shipbuilding complex "Zvezda" will attract 10 thousand new workers

    Ship-building complex is created on the basis of the factory "Zvezda" - the only in the Far East, specializes in the repair, refurbishing and modernizing ships nuclear missile submarines.

    VLADIVOSTOK, July 2 - RIA Novosti. Under construction in Primorye shipbuilding complex "Star" will attract 10 thousand new employees, according to the regional administration with reference to the governor of the region Vladimir Miklushevsky.

    "The complex will allow us to develop production, create new jobs, improve the tax base. Ten thousand is planned to attract professionals to work: some of them - residents of Primorye, part - the newcomers. They need to build housing with developed social infrastructure," - said Miklushevsky.

    He stressed that today there are four options for the future of housing professionals. One of them - the federal program "Housing for Russian families," the second option - the creation of cooperatives of shareholders, which allows you to build housing cheaper by 30%. It is also possible to build departmental housing. And planned construction of a kindergarten for 240 places to the 2018-2019 years.

    Plant "Zvezda" in Big Stone is a leading enterprise on repair of submarines of the Pacific Fleet and the only one in the Far East, specializing in the repair, refurbishing and modernizing ships nuclear missile submarines. Now here comes the creation of the shipbuilding complex "Star".

    The first phase of construction of the shipyard ends in 2016 (it is allocated 45 billion rubles), the second and third stages - in 2018. Start of production is scheduled to begin in the first quarter of 2016. It is expected that the complex will be engaged in the construction of ships for the development of hydrocarbon deposits on the Arctic shelf.


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    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:34 pm

    The main activities of JSC "Far East Plant" Zvezda "in 2014:

    1. In the reporting year, the main work on the SDO segment were conducted in the Premier League "Irkutsk" Project 949A head. Number 619 [modernization project 949AM within state contract from 05.04.2013 № R / 1/2/0117 / GK-13-DGOZ] and submarines "Ryazan" 667BDR project manager. Number 376 [on-condition repair under the state contract from 26.08.2011 № R / 1/2/0526 / GK-11-DGOZ with the initial maturity date in 2013.]. In accordance with the decree of the Russian Government recognized the Company the sole executor of the state defense order in part to repair the deep modernization of submarines [probably submarine project 949A].
    2. Completed repairs of "Tomsk" Project 949A head. Number 663 on the main state contract [is unclear what is meant - state contract from 27.11.2009 № 714/13/27 / EC / 1339-09 for the repair of a technical extension of overhaul life of 3.5 years, or government contract from 18.12. 2012 number P / 1/2/0722 / GK-12-DGOZ to identified during repair work extra cost 499 million rubles. with maturity date in October 2013.]. December 25, 2014 the ship departed to the place of permanent deployment. Formalized accounting documents for the closure of the state contract.
    3. In the process of repair PLAC "Kuzbass" Project 971 head. Number 516 identified an additional amount of work not covered by the state contract [Again, it is unclear about the first government contract from 17.08.2009 № 714/13/27 / EC / 0974-09 to renovate the technical condition with date 2010. with the price of 1.01 billion rubles. or a second contract for additional work with unaccounted cost 463.9 million. from 18.12.2012 № R / 1/2/0723 / GK-12-DGOZ with a maturity date in 2013.]. Concluded new government contract to date November 2015
    4. Work on the federal targeted programs are not executed in full. Change the requirements for the project of reconstruction, providing for the possibility of their use without building alterations to repair submarines Generation IV, changes the fundamental technology of repair and modernization of submarines of the third generation, with the result that there was a necessity to adjust the PSD feasibility study.
    5. Unable to fully execute its investment program for the construction of shipbuilding complex "Star" due to transfer the bulk of funding for the coming years.
    6. Segment military-technical cooperation were working on submarine dismantlement "Zelenograd" 667BDRM project manager. Number 393 on an agreement with the Agency to reduce the threat of US Department of Defense [according to the site of public procurement in 2014-15g. was taken two orders for disposal of nuclear submarines worth more than 745 mln., the planned completion date 2017.].

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    Re: Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

    Post  franco on Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:33 pm

    Still having productivity issues though. That is a lot of production penalties.
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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:26 am

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150709/1123632132.html

    Seems that shipbuilding organization USC is still in trouble, and Borisov is quite pissed that they did what all they could in terms of measures, and same issues still persist. My best bet is piss poor management. Also, Zvezda shipyard is apparently under staffed and from what I heard, it is due to piss poor pay and lack of accommodation for workers. Piss poor pay is a problem and could become a bigger one if the government cuts defense spending at all.

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150709/1123714387.html

    So it seems that they will be using military scientists(?) at shipyards and he stated specifically Zvezda shipyard as an example of using military scientists to provide assistance.

    I say, if the shipyard is that much of a problem, why not privatize it. I imagine someone else may be able to make better of it if the government/USC cannot.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:15 pm

    I say, if the shipyard is that much of a problem, why not privatize it. I imagine someone else may be able to make better of it if the government/USC cannot.

    Why do westerners think privatisation is a solution?

    First of all producing military equipment... which private companies would you like to own this shipyard... Boeing? The French?

    Privatisation means basically firing half the workers and then making the remaining workers do three times more work than they did before for less wages, while the new management steal the profits and retirement funds of the workers...


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    Post  Firebird on Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:34 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    I say, if the shipyard is that much of a problem, why not privatize it. I imagine someone else may be able to make better of it if the government/USC cannot.

    Why do westerners think privatisation is a solution?

    First of all producing military equipment... which private companies would you like to own this shipyard... Boeing? The French?

    Privatisation means basically firing half the workers and then making the remaining workers do three times more work than they did before for less wages, while the new management steal the profits and retirement funds of the workers...

    Its only SOME westerners Garry.
    Usually those who feast off others labour and do fuck all themselves.

    Personally I think it all depends on the *type* of enterprise.

    For instance. America's Apollo mission.
    A state run project using zillions of taxpayers money.
    Its purpose? To "prove" that private enterprise was better than state run enterprise.

    So they "proved" private enterprise was better than state enterprise... by having a (supposedly) successful state run enterprise.

    Hmm....

    You couldnt make this shit up.

    Altho they do claim to have "lost" the orginal moon landing tapes.
    So maybe... they did make the whole thing up!
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:09 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    I say, if the shipyard is that much of a problem, why not privatize it. I imagine someone else may be able to make better of it if the government/USC cannot.

    Why do westerners think privatisation is a solution?

    First of all producing military equipment... which private companies would you like to own this shipyard... Boeing? The French?

    Privatisation means basically firing half the workers and then making the remaining workers do three times more work than they did before for less wages, while the new management steal the profits and retirement funds of the workers...

    When it comes to shipbuilding Russia has tried every carrot in the book. No results whatsoever.

    Maybe generous application of stick is just what the doctor ordered.

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