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    Post  franco on Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:16 pm

    The "G" is an improved version of the Grad. The "S" is an improved version of the Smerch while the "U" is the multi caliber (pallet) version. For usage from my understanding, the "G" provides direct unit support, the "U" will provide Combined Arms Army support and the "S" will provide Military District support.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:35 am

    So the light single pallet model is for mountain forces or air mobile forces or light recon forces or export?
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    Post  franco on Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:40 pm

    GarryB wrote:So the light single pallet model is for mountain forces or air mobile forces or light recon forces or export?

    Not sure... certainly would have it's use for Air mobile Rapid Deployment.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 04, 2019 2:15 pm

    Slevin, this post is not relevant to this thread, and because you repeated this post on the correct relevant threads I will delete this post rather than move it to where it is more suitable...

    Would remind you that it is a forum rule that you introduce yourself here:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/f6-member-introductions-and-rules
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    Post  dino00 on Mon May 06, 2019 10:39 am

    "Tornado-S" will receive shells of greater range and accuracy with new combat units

    Work on further improvement is also going on the Tornado-G multiple launch rocket system.

    "Currently, work is underway to further improve the ammunition of the MLRS Tornado-S. It is planned not only to increase the range and accuracy of shooting, but also to expand the range of tasks that solve this system’s ammunition by creating projectiles with new types of combat units" said Lepin.

    According to him, similar work on further improvement is being carried out on the Tornado-G 122-mm rocket launcher.

    Lepin noted that due to their high characteristics, the MLRS of the new generation Tornado-G and Tornado-S have good export prospects. “We plan to work in this direction,” the agency’s interlocutor said in conclusion.

    Full article
    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6403915
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    Post  George1 on Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:23 am

    Flamethrowers of the Southern Military District used thermobaric shells of increased range and power during live firing from the TOS-1A Solntsepek heavy flamethrower systems as part of a command and staff exercise with troops and forces of the Southern Military District

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:15 pm

    Probably the best footage of TOS-1 I've ever seen!

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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:26 am

    ^^^
    Looks great...

    Something similar...Mass firing of UR-77's

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    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:55 am

    New contract of the Ministry of Defense of Russia on MLRS "Tornado-S"


    According to the newspaper Kommersant, in a material by Dmitry Astakhov, Motovilikhinsky Plants will be loaded in one gulp. The group that entered into a major contract for the Tornado-S MLRS, CJSC SKB, in which, after the bankruptcy of the Motovilikhinskiye Zavody, the defense industry was concentrated and received the first major military order. It's about the supply of multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) "Tornado-S". According to Kommersant’s interlocutors, the contract may amount to 6–7 billion rubles, which will be enough to produce about 20 cars. According to experts, the fact that the Motovilikhinsky factories themselves are still in bankruptcy proceedings will not affect the implementation of the contract.

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    Fighting vehicle 9A54 modernized 300-mm multiple launch rocket system 9K515 "Tornado-S" (s) popmeh.ru

    CJSC Special Design Bureau (SKB, part of the Motovilikhinskiye Zavody group) has signed a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense, sources told Kommersant. According to them, at a meeting of the board of directors of enterprises of Motovilikhinsky district on September 20, it was announced that a major defense contract would be concluded that “will allow the enterprise to develop stably and preserve jobs.” From Motovilikhinsky Zavody, the meeting was attended by an adviser to the head of the holding, Aleksey Antipov. The press service of Motovilikhinskiye Zavody declined to comment.

    According to Kommersant’s interlocutors, we are talking about the manufacture and supply of combat and transport-loading vehicles from the Tornado-S MLRS. The contract between the Special Design Bureau and the Ministry of Defense was concluded in the summer, the equipment should be transferred to the state customer in 2020. The size of the contract and its volumes were not disclosed. In informal conversations, top managers at Motovilikha factories talk about volumes of up to 6-7 billion rubles. Based on this, about two dozen MLRS Tornado-S can be delivered.

    The enterprise responsible for the implementation of defense contracts was Motovilikhinskiye Zavody PJSC, but since March 2018, the parent organization managing the holding has been in bankruptcy proceedings. The volume of accounts payable exceeds 17 billion rubles. The main creditor is Rostec Group of Companies. PJSC employees were employed in subsidiaries of the Ministry of Health. Thus, SKB CJSC focused on defense issues, and Motovilikha - Civil Engineering (MGM) LLC - on civilian products. For previously concluded contracts with the Ministry of Defense, PJSC MH responded.

    The transition of the holding business to subsidiaries is noticeable in the dynamics of financial indicators. So, according to the results of 2018, SKB increased revenue from 295 million rubles. to 1.5 billion rubles., At the same time, the loss also increased - from 60 million rubles. up to 1.2 billion rubles. MGM reported revenue growth from 2.2 billion rubles. to 7.3 billion rubles., The loss increased from 164 million rubles. up to 355 million rubles. At the same time, Motovilikhinsky Plants reduced revenue from 11 billion rubles. up to 4.2 billion rubles, reducing the loss from 9.8 billion rubles. up to 3.3 billion rubles.

    “Tornado-S” is a modified version of the highly effective MLRS “Smerch” and passed state tests in 2015. It can hit targets both in one gulp and single high-precision missiles, and also use adjustable ammunition. The firing range is up to 120 km.

    Gennady Kuzmitsky, the former general director of the Perm Perm Powder Plant, believes that the army will continue to order special products at MH enterprises, despite the bankruptcy of the parent company — there is nowhere else to produce these products. According to Mr. Kuzmitsky, the bankruptcy of the parent company does not pose a threat to the subsidiary fulfilling the defense contract: the funds for its execution go to special accounts, which the tax service and creditors cannot impose interim measures.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3785087.html
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    Post  George1 on Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:08 pm

    Contract for Tornado-S MLRS

    According to Kommersant, Perm-based ZAO Special Design Bureau (SKB) received a contract worth 6-7 billion rubles ($93-$108 million) to produce 20 combat systems for the Russian MOD. The paper’s sources say the contract is for Tornado-S multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) and transport-reload vehicles. The equipment is to be delivered in 2020.

    The 12-tube, 300-mm Tornado-S (9K515) MLRS is a “deeply modernized” version of the Smerch. It reportedly features GLONASS satellite navigation, automated fire control, and 9M542 PGMs. Unlike earlier systems, Tornado-S gives specific flight profile data to each rocket. Its effective range is 120 km.

    Tornado-S first entered the inventory in late 2016. Smerch was accepted for service in 1989.

    The new 9K515 weapons system includes the 9A54 launch vehicle and 9T255 transport-reload vehicle.


    The 20 systems in the contract likely include 16 launch vehicles (two battalions of eight) and four transport-reload vehicles (two per launch battalion).

    The Russian MOD is using new Tornado-S MLRS to build a heavy rocket launcher brigade at the district level in each of its four MDs. In Soviet times, each MD (front) disposed of its own rocket launcher brigade, typically four battalions of 18 40-tube, 122-mm BM-21 Grad systems.

    Those “brigades” look like this now:

    Western MD…Tver…79th Brigade…three battalions of Tornado-S…12 launchers.
    Southern MD…Znamensk…439th Brigade…??? battalions of Tornado-S…??? launchers.
    Central MD…Shchuchye…232nd Brigade…two battalions of 220-mm Uragan…16 launchers.
    Eastern MD…Novosysoyevka…338th Brigade…2-3 battalions of Uragan…16-18 launchers.
    But these are more like rocket battalions than the brigades of old days.

    The first Tornado-S deployments began in 2017 in the Western MD and continued in the Southern MD in early 2019.

    It seems likely the Tornado-S systems due in 2020 will go to the Central or Eastern MD before the Western or Southern get more.

    Kommersant detailed the poor financial status of ZAO SKB. Its parent, long-time sole producer of Russian MLRS Motovilikhinskiye Plants is bankrupt. SKB was split away to keep creditors at bay. The rest of Motovilikha is supposed to retool to make civilian products. The growing problem of insolvency in Russia’s OPK is worthy of a look.

    https://russiandefpolicy.blog/2019/09/29/contract-for-tornado-s-mlrs/
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:06 am

    The best way to deal with debt is not repeat mistakes that created the debt in the first place and produce products and work your way out of debt...

    BTW what civilian stuff are they making... I would be happy to buy some interesting stuff if they made it and I could use it...
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    Post  dino00 on Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:11 pm

    "Tornado" after the "Grad": the latest reactive systems will protect Crimea

    Troops of the Southern Military District received upgraded MLRS


    ...The maximum firing range of the Tornado-G is 40 km and in the future it can be increased to 100 km. The combat capabilities of the new system have been expanded with new rocket ammunition...


    https://iz.ru/927161/aleksei-kozachenko-aleksei-ramm/tornado-posle-grada-krym-zashchitiat-noveishie-reaktivnye-sistemy
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    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:28 pm

    Defense firm delivers final batch of latest Tornado-G rocket systems to Russian troops


    The work to repair and upgrade combat vehicles of Grad multiple launch rocket systems to the Tornado-G level has been implemented in full and on time, according to the official statement

    MOSCOW, November 12. /TASS/. Russia’s Defense Ministry has received the final batch of the latest Tornado-G multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) this year under the defense procurement plan, the press office of RT-Capital (part of the state hi-tech corporation Rostec) reported on Tuesday.


    "The Special Design Bureau integrated into the Motivilikha Plants (within Rostec) has dispatched the final batch of combat vehicles of Tornado-G multiple launch rocket systems to units of Russia’s Defense Ministry under the defense procurement plan," RT-Capital said in a statement.

    The work to repair and upgrade combat vehicles of Grad multiple launch rocket systems to the Tornado-G level under the 2019 program has been implemented in full and on time, the statement says.

    The Motivilikha Plants are Russia’s sole manufacturer of combat and transporter-loader vehicles for Grad and Smerch multiple launch rocket systems and also of their upgraded Tornado-G and Tornado-S versions, the press office informed.

    The Tornado-G is a 122mm multiple launch rocket system derived from the Grad MLRS. The new system can conduct fire from unprepared positions in an automated mode. This allows quickly opening fire, after which the gunner can switch the system’s artillery gun into a travel mode directly from the vehicle’s cab and change the position.

    The system has been developed by the Splav Research and Production Association integrated into the Tecmash Group within Rostec. As its major advantages, the system features better fire efficiency, more powerful shells and automated guidance, sighting, topographic positioning and navigation systems. The Tornado-G was accepted for service in the Russian Army in 2014.

    https://tass.com/defense/1088279
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    Post  Isos on Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:23 pm

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    Reportedly, the 1st sketches of the TOS-2 MLRS, which recently received a patent. This appears to continue in the vein of the Habrosok program of putting artillery pieces on wheeled vehicles, and it apparently will have its own crane for reloading. 2/


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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:05 pm

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    Reportedly, the 1st sketches of the TOS-2 MLRS, which recently received a patent. This appears to continue in the vein of the Habrosok program of putting artillery pieces on wheeled vehicles, and it apparently will have its own crane for reloading. 2/


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    It's not an artillery piece
    More like the Sturmtiger in WW2, a fire support vehicle

    Anyway here is some more info:

    http://mil.today/2019/Weapons4/

    Russian Flamethrower Tosochka to Start State Trials by Yearend

    The new second-generation heavy flame-throwing system Tosochka will begin state trials in 2019, director of concern Techmash, Vladimir Lepin told Mil.Press Today at the Army-2019 forum.

    According to him, Tosochka has better performance characteristics, as compared to TOS-1A Solntsepyok.

    "In contrast to its predecessor, Solntsepyok, the new system is based on the wheeled chassis", added Vladimir Lepin. The designers made such decision drawing on the operational experience of track-based flamethrower systems in desert zones.

    In the falls 2018, directors of Techmash announced that in 2019 the state trials of Tosochka would finish.

    The heavy flamethrower systems are intended to destroy light-armor vehicles, incapacitation of personnel deployed on open spaces or in shelters, initiate fires and smokescreens by smoke/incendiary munitions.

    The systems are armed with fuel-air explosive munitions that use spraying of combustible material and explosion of the formed gas cloud. In terms of power, they are compared with midget tactical nuclear munitions, though have no radiation effect.
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    Post  flamming_python Yesterday at 1:35 pm

    From last year

    A Zaslon Centre invention; S-80 rockets volley fired as a short-range fire support system.
    Like on all those makeshift technicals in conflicts around the world

    Well it might be interesting for some of the ultra-light battallions Russia is developing. Or more likely, perhaps the Syrians or Iranians, who are big on their their technicals and light mobile firepower. But problem is that they can just come up with such systems themselves.

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    Post  Regular Yesterday at 2:45 pm

    So wheeled vehicles are getting traction in Russia? Why is that? It's silly to be dependent on infrastructure in a country with such geography like Russia. Or this will go to Rosgvardiya?
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    Post  PapaDragon Yesterday at 3:35 pm

    Regular wrote:So wheeled vehicles are getting traction in Russia? Why is that? It's silly to be dependent on infrastructure in a country with such geography like Russia. Or this will go to Rosgvardiya?


    They are building infrastructure

    And any war that would require massive number vehicles to move off-road like in WW2 would be handled by nukes anyway so why bother?

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    Post  Regular Yesterday at 3:48 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Regular wrote:So wheeled vehicles are getting traction in Russia? Why is that? It's silly to be dependent on infrastructure in a country with such geography like Russia. Or this will go to Rosgvardiya?


    They are building infrastructure

    And any war that would require massive number vehicles to move off-road like in WW2 would be handled by nukes anyway so why bother?


    Infrastructure is really getting better every year. Maintenance should be also cheaper for wheeled vehicles. Well, atleast motorized forces are getting some love, but I do hope tracked vehicles won't go out of fashion too, knowing that Russia had so much experience with these platforms.
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    Post  PapaDragon Yesterday at 3:52 pm


    Also reason why TOS-1 was on tracked chassis was because rockets were short range so they used tank as platform for armor

    This new version probably has longer range so tank chassis is no longer required (they talked about this earlier)
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    Post  flamming_python Yesterday at 4:23 pm

    Regular wrote:So wheeled vehicles are getting traction in Russia? Why is that? It's silly to be dependent on infrastructure in a country with such geography like Russia. Or this will go to Rosgvardiya?

    Wheeled-vehicles can still move off-road if they're light enough and have 4-wheel drive. Like any Toyota pickup type vehicle, or indeed the Chaborz buggy.

    The wide-use of technicals in wars in the Middle East, North Africa is testament to that. Technicals move around and deploy quickly using the highways but in tactical battle position themselves and advance off-road just fine. The Syrians have in fact reformed part of their army into light-infantry based on technicals, away from the Soviet model of armour-tank forces and mech infantry (although they still do have those). They have the advantage not only of mobility and economy, but also a minimal logistics trail, and the ability to move out and deploy immediately without preparation.

    And it's for these sorts of wars that Russia want an ultra-light battallion or two on the basis of the UAZ Patriot chassis, and for use in special forces raids. For example the Wagnerites are in Libya now, probably using technicals as well.

    You can have Patriot pickups purely for transporting troops in the back, as well as those with HMGs/autocannons, ATGM launchers, and indeed something like this mini-MLRS. Ideal for harassment and raids.

    More useful in the Middle East and Central Asia though than most of Russia. But then those are the areas where Russia is active.
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    Post  Regular Yesterday at 5:05 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Wheeled-vehicles can still move off-road if they're light enough and have 4-wheel drive. Like any Toyota pickup type vehicle, or indeed the Chaborz buggy.

    The wide-use of technicals in wars in the Middle East, North Africa is testament to that. Technicals move around and deploy quickly using the highways but in tactical battle position themselves and advance off-road just fine. The Syrians have in fact reformed part of their army into light-infantry based on technicals, away from the Soviet model of armour-tank forces and mech infantry (although they still do have those). They have the advantage not only of mobility and economy, but also a minimal logistics trail, and the ability to move out and deploy immediately without preparation.

    And it's for these sorts of wars that Russia want an ultra-light battallion or two on the basis of the UAZ Patriot chassis, and for use in special forces raids. For example the Wagnerites are in Libya now, probably using technicals as well.

    You can have Patriot pickups purely for transporting troops in the back, as well as those with HMGs/autocannons, ATGM launchers, and indeed something like this mini-MLRS. Ideal for harassment and raids.

    More useful in the Middle East and Central Asia though than most of Russia. But then those are the areas where Russia is active.

    I agree about Middle East, but in Russia cross-country offroading is near impossible through spring and autumn seasons. There's no wheeled vehicle created that could go where old matalyga can go.
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    Post  flamming_python Yesterday at 5:07 pm

    Regular wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Wheeled-vehicles can still move off-road if they're light enough and have 4-wheel drive. Like any Toyota pickup type vehicle, or indeed the Chaborz buggy.

    The wide-use of technicals in wars in the Middle East, North Africa is testament to that. Technicals move around and deploy quickly using the highways but in tactical battle position themselves and advance off-road just fine. The Syrians have in fact reformed part of their army into light-infantry based on technicals, away from the Soviet model of armour-tank forces and mech infantry (although they still do have those). They have the advantage not only of mobility and economy, but also a minimal logistics trail, and the ability to move out and deploy immediately without preparation.

    And it's for these sorts of wars that Russia want an ultra-light battallion or two on the basis of the UAZ Patriot chassis, and for use in special forces raids. For example the Wagnerites are in Libya now, probably using technicals as well.

    You can have Patriot pickups purely for transporting troops in the back, as well as those with HMGs/autocannons, ATGM launchers, and indeed something like this mini-MLRS. Ideal for harassment and raids.

    More useful in the Middle East and Central Asia though than most of Russia. But then those are the areas where Russia is active.

    I agree about Middle East, but in Russia cross-country offroading is near impossible through spring and autumn seasons. There's no wheeled vehicle created that could go where old matalyga can go.

    Even in Russia, geography tends to vary. There are deserts in southern Siberia, in and near the north Caucasus too. Of course in Kazakhstan and further south of it all the way to Tajikistan it's mostly steppe, also ideal terrain for such vehicles.
    From what I've seen of the Russian 201st base in Tajikistan, they already have trucks with Zu-23-2s mounted on them, as in the Afghan war era.
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    Post  GarryB Today at 6:29 am

    So wheeled vehicles are getting traction in Russia? Why is that? It's silly to be dependent on infrastructure in a country with such geography like Russia. Or this will go to Rosgvardiya?

    They are showing it on the back of a light utility vehicle, but the animation showed it on a range of vehicles from dune buggy types to armoured vehicles.

    I think the point is its modularity... these things could be added to something like an Armata Tank or a BMPT vehicle to add rocket fire power to deliver some HE quickly and easily when needed with a cheap in service already in production rocket type.

    New laser guided models offering precision without the cost of an ATGM, while direct fire short range potential to deluge an enemy position with rockets from a vehicle platform that can arrive... fire and then leave rapidly.

    It could be part of an armoured force or it could be a special forces group like the British SAS used to use jeeps in the desert... they seem to be fully remote control and can be fired from inside the vehicle with a driver and an operator... so any MRAP or light vehicle could use them.

    Sounds like a clever idea to me.

    Also remember the range of 80mm rockets already in production is actually quite big from HE frag to penetrating HE, to HEAT to FAE rockets as well as various other rounds including flare and chaff rounds as well as illumination rockets that could be used to light up the sky around the target while the area around your forces is dark which is an advantage too. There are even UAV models that could rapidly accelerate out to 6-8km away and then loiter for a period of time looking for targets or threats.

    A four wheel drive light vehicle with a decent winch should be able to operate all sorts of places reasonably well... and where they can't these rocket pods could just as easily be mounted on tracked vehicles or even water based craft and hovercraft...

    Well, atleast motorized forces are getting some love, but I do hope tracked vehicles won't go out of fashion too, knowing that Russia had so much experience with these platforms.

    Low operating costs will appeal and lower maintenance costs and higher running speeds will also be appealing, but they could just as easily fit these rocket pods to MTLB vehicles and even their new vehicles... it would be a useful addition to the BMPT for example.

    Also reason why TOS-1 was on tracked chassis was because rockets were short range so they used tank as platform for armor

    Indeed, Tos was tank based because it was supposed to operate on the front line with thanks... often clearing ways through minefields and clearing out trenches pretty quickly...

    Speed can often be more important than protection... sometimes it is better not to get hit in the first place... so being light and fast means you get in and attack and then get out of there before they can respond with more than small arms fire and live to fight another day.
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    BTW they are also starting to build a lot more roads and rail lines to really open the country up... traditionally Air Force air defence systems like S-300 and Pantsir have traditionally used wheeled vehicles for good mobility around airfields... if you imagine a main airfield that has a 5km long runway... a single SA-9 battery sitting at one end couldn't cover the entire length of the runway...

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