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    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:24 am

    Yes, they have been promising this for some time... a little disappointing that they haven't completed development yet to make an actual operational system.

    More than a little ironic because it was the artillery part of the military that actually paid more than just lip service to UAVs in Soviet times with the Bumblebee being the only operational UAV system in Soviet regular use...
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    Post  George1 on Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:48 am

    Motorized rifle units of the 2nd Combined Arms Army of the Central Military District, within the state defence order, received fifteen Tornado-G MLRS.

    http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12201418@egNews
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    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:26 pm

    Heavy flamethrowers unit assumes combat duty in northwest Russia

    The TOS-1A Solntsepyok heavy flamethrower is a multiple launch rocket system, which comprises a BM-1 combat vehicle, a TZM-T transporter-loader and an ammunition load of rockets

    ST. PETERSBURG, November 13. /TASS/. A company armed with TOS-1A Solntsepyok (Scorching Sun) heavy flamethrower systems has been set up within the radiation, chemical and biological defense regiment of the combined arms army in the Western Military District, the District’s press office reported on Tuesday.

    The heavy flamethrowers company is based in the Leningrad Region in northwest Russia, the press office said.

    Before the company was set up, drills were held at a proving range in the Leningrad Region, using Solntsepyok heavy flamethrowers and RPO-A rocket-propelled infantry flamethrowers to practice strikes against enemy engineering fortifications. Now it has been officially announced that a new unit armed with TOS-1A heavy flamethrowers has been set up.

    "A unit of heavy flamethrower systems of the Western Military District has been formed in the Leningrad Region. The regiment has completed establishing the unit of heavy flamethrower systems, which has received TOS-1A Solntsepyok weapons as its armament. Also, reconnaissance units have received the most advanced RKhM-6 chemical reconnaissance vehicles under the defense procurement program this year," Commander of the Radiation, Chemical and Biological Defense Regiment Colonel Alexei Suslov was quoted by the District’s press office as saying.

    The TOS-1A Solntsepyok heavy flamethrower is a multiple launch rocket system, which comprises a BM-1 combat vehicle, a TZM-T transporter-loader and an ammunition load of rockets. The TOS-1A heavy flamethrower system is a unique weapon by its incorporated technical solutions, assigned combat missions and combat efficiency and is unrivaled in the world.

    The TOS-1A is capable of firing both thermobaric rockets and smoke-incendiary munitions. The flamethrower is designed to set ablaze and destroy buildings and structures and damage an enemy’s lightly armored vehicles.


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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:42 am

    The grad is a sort of step between nothing and MLRS the usa and uk are missing.

    I suspect the problem is precision.

    You can't fire a single rocket and hit a point target with it at range.

    The other aspect is that the individual munitions would be cheap and simple and could be made in enormous numbers, while the launch platforms are relatively simple and cheap too... and truck the right size would do, so the potential for profit is not really that good...

    It seems that NATO has no area targets and always knows precisely where all of its targets are located, so having a weapon that flattens a large area in a way that makes sure anything there gets hurt bad even if you can't actually see it from the launch area is interesting.

    I know the UK army prides itself on precision rifle fire even from infantry but I have seen plenty of video footage of western troops... not just British... just pointing their rifle in a general direction and firing long bursts not really sure what or where the target actually is...

    That is suppressive fire... I appreciate that is normal... I also remember CNN news docos about Afghanistan showing Soviets firing like that too, and of course criticism of the failure of the Soviets to take villages... normally they resort to artillery or air power to destroy the problem... which is exactly what we seem to see NATO doing today in places like Afghanistan.

    Certainly some sort of direct fire weapon with a range of 1.5-2km or so like an upgraded SPG-9 would be valuable even today, not to mention rocket artillery and indeed 120mm mortar support.

    Regarding these flamethrowers... originally they were intended to clear minefields as the blast wave from the thermobaric rounds lasts longer than with HE detonations and is more effective in setting off mines, but also has the benefit of using up oxygen in tunnels and bunkers because as it burns it consumes the oxygen in the air to do so...
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    Post  dino00 on Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:47 am

    The drone built into the MLRS Smerch missile has been tested

    The first samples of the drone are likely to be sold abroad, since Russia has already identified "structures that ensure the use of drones in the interests of the army."

    The press service of the concern "Tehmash" stated that work on the creation and testing of the UAV launched in the projectile of the Smerch multiple rocket launcher is in the final stage.

    As the General Designer of the Splav Research and Production Association Nikolay Makarovets said earlier, the UAV was developed, which is launched in the Smerch rocket launcher. According to him, the first customer is likely to become a foreign buyer, as in the Russian Federation "structures were identified that ensure the use of UAVs in the interests of the army."

    Recall, the MLRS "Smerch" is a 300-mm caliber Russian rocket launcher system designed to destroy personnel, armored vehicles, as well as artillery and mortar batteries and other targets.

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201811270752-468a.htm

    The delivery time of the drone to the target area is about 150 seconds.

    The MLRS "Smerch" UAV was created according to the aircraft scheme. Its main tasks are to determine wind parameters in the target area, transfer data on the recognition of reconnaissance objects with their coordinates to the command and staff vehicle, and conduct shooting results in real time mode.

    The information provided to the drone reported that the time spent in the air drone is up to half an hour, the mass of the payload - 7 pounds.

    The speed of the UAV is about 100 kilometers per hour, the maximum height is 3000 meters.


    Picture of the thing

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    The UAV is equipped with a TV and an IR camera, the resolution of the observed surface with a flight height of 500 m is at least 0.5 m in the center and 0.7 m at the edges

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201811271118-1myj.htm
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:17 am

    Pretty much the same model they have been showing for 15 years...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:34 am

    GarryB wrote:Pretty much the same model they have been showing for 15 years...

    Yeah, they've had that thing close to 2 decades, why is now only being tested? Perhaps journalistic folly.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:53 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Pretty much the same model they have been showing for 15 years...

    Yeah, they've had that thing close to 2 decades, why is now only being tested? Perhaps journalistic folly.

    concept was last 20 years but this one is IMHO updated implementation. Finally they got resources to implement that it.
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    Post  Hole on Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:34 pm

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    Post  Isos on Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:17 pm

    Hole wrote:Russian MRLS: Grad, Uragan, Smerch, Tornado-G/S - Page 9 Ytpc1h10

    This can be used for two big long range rockets in place of the 2×6 tubes.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:39 pm

    Hole wrote:Russian MRLS: Grad, Uragan, Smerch, Tornado-G/S - Page 9 Ytpc1h10

    where did u find it?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:40 am

    George1 wrote:
    Hole wrote:Russian MRLS: Grad, Uragan, Smerch, Tornado-G/S - Page 9 Ytpc1h10

    where did u find it?

    Probably on the Otvaga forums.
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    Post  Hole on Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:32 am

    On a secret source called Internet. Very Happy
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    Post  Hole on Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:49 pm

    Some guy on another forum mentioned that the container of the Burevestnik cruise missile looks quite similar to the containers of the Uragan-1M.
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    Post  dino00 on Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:28 pm

    Grad rocket launcher can be doubled

    The launcher being developed provides for a second ammunition with mechanized charging on a single chassis with artillery units from the BM-21 jet system

    MOSCOW, February 4. / TASS /. The Main Missile and Artillery Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is developing the Grad multiple launch rocket system with doubled ammunition and a mechanized reloading system mounted on a single chassis. This is stated in the thematic collection "Rocket-technical and artillery-technical support of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - 2018".

    "The launcher being developed provides for a second ammunition with mechanized charging on a single chassis with an artillery unit from the BM-21 jet system. As a result of these changes, the firepower of the launcher being developed doubles in comparison with the analogue, since the launcher can produce two successively volley and 80 shots, "- says in the collection.

    It is noted that the reloading time will be reduced from 6.5 to 2 minutes. The crew will be reduced from four to two people. The combat vehicle will allow firing from the cockpit without preparing a firing position.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6077582

    80 rockets for launcher is what this means? Very impressive upgrade
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    Post  Hole on Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:53 pm

    Its damn time. Czech version from the 70´s.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:32 am

    I always thought the Czech design was pointless... because being hand loaded the second volley of rockets would take time to load into the launchers to fire both volleys... the whole point of the system is to launch and then move... if you want to fire 80 rockets then put 80 launch tubes there and fire them all together and then move.

    When you get to the new firing point you can worry about reloading again, but don't fire and then reload and fire because the first volley will clearly mark your launch position and while you are reloading every enemy weapon in the area will be getting ready to rain crap on your position... you should not be reloading... even if it only takes 2 minutes... you should be moving to a new position and reload there... you should have time to do so...
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    Post  xeno on Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:01 am

    Exactly.
    It doesn't make any sense from tactical point of veiw.
    The only advantage that I can see is to reduce cost as you can have only two soldiers to operate one Grad instead of four, although you need to pay for this automatic reloading system,  machine will always be cheaper than people...
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    Post  dino00 on Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:56 pm

    Troops can get a new high-precision complex with a cruise missile

    The complex is a distributed network of autonomous transport-launch modules with cruise missiles, controlled from the command and control vehicle.

    MOSCOW, February 5. / TASS /. A new high-precision tactical-level missile system (VTRK) with a cruise missile, capable of increasing the efficiency of performing tasks in tactical depth by 20%, is being created in Russia. This is stated in the article by the staff of the 3rd Central Scientific Research Institute (CRI) of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in the thematic compendium "Rocket-technical and artillery-technical support of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - 2018".

    As follows from the materials of the article, the complex is a separated network of autonomous transport-launch modules with cruise missiles, controlled from the command and staff vehicle, the enemy is detected and target designation is carried out from unmanned aerial vehicles. Thus, the ability to provide continuous support to troops with fire strikes is most fully realized, while the time for their preparation and application is minimal. "Studies show that as a result of equipping high-profile missile complex formations and units of the Ground Forces, the concept of reconnaissance-strike network can be realized, allowing you to increase the efficiency of the performance of fire tasks of rocket forces and artillery in tactical depth by 15-20%" .

    As a result of the research, the main advantages of using such a high-precision rocket complex were revealed. This is a modular construction, container placement of missiles, remote control of target designation and launch, as well as low visibility for enemy reconnaissance. There is a wide range of missions for striking and "practical invulnerability for counterbattery".

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6080755

    I put here because for me its looks like tornado-S with Cruise missiles talked about years ago.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:39 am

    Nikolay Makarovets, the father of modern MLRS (head designer of Tornado-G, Tornado-S, Uragan-1M) has died...R.I.P.

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    Post  PhSt on Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:22 am

    Russia to showcase advanced projectile for Tornado-G rocket systems at Brazil arms show



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    MOSCOW, April 1. /TASS/. Russia’s Techmash (part of the state hi-tech corporation Rostec) will for the first time feature a high-explosive fragmentation shell of the enhanced capacity for Tornado-G multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) at the Laad arms show in Brazil, the company’s press office said on Monday.

    "Techmash of the Rostec Corporation will for the first time demonstrate a projectile with the high-explosive fragmentation warhead of the enhanced yield for Tornado-G MLRS at the Laad-2019 Latin American venue," the press office said.

    The shell that has been developed by Techmash’s Splav Research and Production Association is designated to strike both sheltered and unsheltered manpower, unarmored and light armored hardware, command posts and other targets.

    "The shell can be fired to a range of 5 - 20 km. The projectile can operate in a combat environment with temperatures ranging from minus 50 degrees to plus 50 degrees Celsius. The munition is twice as effective as the standard projectile for the Grad MLRS," Techmash said.

    Techmash will also feature another product developed by Splav: the new-generation S-80FP 80mm air-launched rocket with the high-explosive fragmentation piercing warhead designated to hit isolated and multiple targets.

    The Tornado-G is a 122m multiple launch rocket system derived from the Grad MLRS. The new system can conduct fire from unprepared positions in an automated mode. This allows quickly opening fire, after which the gunner can switch the system’s artillery gun into a travel mode directly from the vehicle’s cab and change the position.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:05 pm

    https://www.urdupoint.com/en/world/russian-forces-conduct-1st-combat-launches-fr-607544.html

    First combat tests during an exercice of Tornado-S MLRS.

    120km max range satelitte guided with Glonass. Replace bm-30 smerch and probably toshkas (??).
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:37 am

    AFAIK Tochka is gradually being withdrawn with the Iskander and its variants being the main replacement.

    What is not clear is what they are planning... this new vehicle can certainly replace the Smerch because it can carry two pallets each with 6 x 300mm rockets, which basically equates to the 12 ready to fire 300mm rockets on Smerch, but requiring loading of tubes, while the new model has pre loaded pallets of rockets of different calibre.

    There will be forces that used to use Uragan and Smerch and there will be forces that use Grad.

    It seems there is a Grad replacement in the form of the Tornado-G, which does not use a pallet based system and is just an upgraded Grad vehicle.

    The Tornado-S has a pallet based system which appears to have pallets holding 300mm Smerch rockets, 220mm Uragan rockets, and 122mm Grad rockets, so the Tornado-S can perform the role of Smerch, Uragan, or Grad as needed, by holding two pallets of 300mm, 220mm, and 122mm rockets.

    There was also a light truck model that unlike the new Tornado-G actually also carried rocket pallets and could therefore carry a single pallet of any of the three calibres of rockets making it half as powerful as the original Grad or the Smerch or Uragan depending on which calibre rockets it carried but being a smaller lighter cheaper vehicle you could probably operate it with lighter more mobile forces, so it could operate where a Smerch or Tornado-S could not operate.

    It would also mean that for naval use on river boats you could have any number of pallets on turret mounts for shore artillery use.
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    Post  Hole on Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:56 am

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    The vehicle in the pic of the link is the Uragan-1M. Tornado-S looks like Smerch, "just" with new electronics and rockets.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:39 pm

    But that is confusing because Uragan has a 220mm rocket and has 16 launch tubes, and if you look in the photo you just posted the two pods of 6 rockets look smaller than the Smerch vehicle next to it with 12 x 300mm tubes with three lots of four tubes... I thought the 6 rocket pod held 300mm rockets but it is clearly smaller in this photo.

    Personally I thought the picture you have posted was the Tornado-S next to the Smerch, but in this case the central vehicle in the image has a sign in front of it calling it the Uragan-1M and is loaded with tubes holding what appear to be 220mm Uragan rockets (based on the bigger 300mm tubes on the vehicle next to it)... and it is clearly named Uragan-1M and not Tornado-S

    Ironically if you look up the English translation of the word Smerch, it lists Tornado, Whirlwind, Hurricane, and Storm as alternative English translations, whose Russian retranslations are Tornado, Vikhr, Uragan, and Shturm.

    The new vehicles are supposed to be called Tornado-S and Tornado-G, Vikhr is the ATGM carried by the Hokum attack helo and now Mil helos too, Uragan is of course this:

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    and shturm is the second model ATGM carried by Hinds ( AT-2 swatter is first and AT-6 shturm is the second).

    This is the light vehicle I was referring to above:

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    So this is all very confusing... is the Uragan-1M also the Tornado-S, being a vehicle platform able to carry two pallets at a time that hold rockets of three different calibres at any one time?

    The Tornado-G is an upgraded version of the Grad that does not use pallets, so an upgrade of the Uragan would make sense to replace the Uragan and Smerch as its ability to carry 220mm and 300mm as well as 122mm rockets in pallets would allow it to replace both in terms of capacity for fire, while being lighter and cheaper and much more flexible.

    The new light vehicle that only carries one pallet would make it more flexible than a Grad, so in a way it could be a replacement for the Zil Grad that was lighter than the standard Ural Grad... it was easily identifyable because it only has 36 rocket tubes instead of 40 on the Ural.

    There was another version of the Grad that was pretty much indistinguishable from the Grad that fired only special anti saboteur rockets for the navy called the DP-62 or something...

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