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    Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

    Post  franco on Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:56 am

    George1 wrote:From what i conclude, Tornado is only modernization of older MRLSs? Not completely a new system?


    Not sure about how much the actual rockets have been modernized but the rest of the system is totally new. And would appear to also replace the Smerch by combining them into one vehicle with interchangeable rocket pods.
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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:39 am

    technically this is just a serious upgrade of the electronics of the Grad, Uragan, and Smerch... the main difference however is that the Uragan and Smerch seem to now have a unified platform, and they are loaded in pallets instead of individually.



    This seems to show another 122mm pallet with 3 rows of 5 rockets in each pack.

    Has anyone see the 220mm rocket pallets?

    The 300mm 6 packs are visible in the picture above too.

    I would expect a 220mm rocket pack would include about 8 tubes so it equates (with two pallets) to the 16 tubes of Uragan... the Smerch 300mm rockets have 6 tubes each which matches the original system when two pallets are used of 12 rockets. The above 15 shot pallets of Grad 122mm is just short of the original system 30 instead of 40 which perhaps explains why the Grad has been replaced with a Grad with 40 fixed tubes instead of pallets.
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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

    Post  franco on Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:48 am

    GarryB wrote:technically this is just a serious upgrade of the electronics of the Grad, Uragan, and Smerch... the main difference however is that the Uragan and Smerch seem to now have a unified platform, and they are loaded in pallets instead of individually.



    This seems to show another 122mm pallet with 3 rows of 5 rockets in each pack.

    Has anyone see the 220mm rocket pallets?

    The 300mm 6 packs are visible in the picture above too.

    I would expect a 220mm rocket pack would include about 8 tubes so it equates (with two pallets) to the 16 tubes of Uragan... the Smerch 300mm rockets have 6 tubes each which matches the original system when two pallets are used of 12 rockets. The above 15 shot pallets of Grad 122mm is just short of the original system 30 instead of 40 which perhaps explains why the Grad has been replaced with a Grad with 40 fixed tubes instead of pallets.

    A 12 round 220mm rocket pack (660x880) would be pretty close in size to a 6 round 300mm rocket pack (600x900) but I have not seen anything yet.

    Also those 122mm pods are 4x5 or 20 rounds each.
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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:07 pm

    GarryB wrote:technically this is just a serious upgrade of the electronics of the Grad, Uragan, and Smerch... the main difference however is that the Uragan and Smerch seem to now have a unified platform, and they are loaded in pallets instead of individually.



    This seems to show another 122mm pallet with 3 rows of 5 rockets in each pack.

    Has anyone see the 220mm rocket pallets?

    The 300mm 6 packs are visible in the picture above too.

    I would expect a 220mm rocket pack would include about 8 tubes so it equates (with two pallets) to the 16 tubes of Uragan... the Smerch 300mm rockets have 6 tubes each which matches the original system when two pallets are used of 12 rockets. The above 15 shot pallets of Grad 122mm is just short of the original system 30 instead of 40 which perhaps explains why the Grad has been replaced with a Grad with 40 fixed tubes instead of pallets.

    Look closer. 4x5.

    The Grad is being replaced by a Tornado-G model, but AFAIK it looks more or less the same as a normal Grad. So maybe its just a modernization, while the 122mm pallets will be used on similar size but new trucks tha might not be ready yet; which explains why we've only seen Uragan and Smersh sized trucks
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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 25, 2015 5:58 am

    Well duh... I should look at these images at full size rather than glancing at the thumbnails.

    The Grad is being replaced by a Tornado-G model, but AFAIK it looks more or less the same as a normal Grad. So maybe its just a modernization, while the 122mm pallets will be used on similar size but new trucks tha might not be ready yet; which explains why we've only seen Uragan and Smersh sized trucks

    That is possible, but I suspect that the future plan is for the Grad lookalike Tornado-G to just replace the Grad vehicles... they seem to have fixed tubes rather than loaded pallets.

    TO me therefore I suspect the other vehicle we see with the separate pallets that seems to be a replacement for both the Uragan and Smerch that can carry two pallets so assuming 122mm, 220mm and 300mm pallets in any combination should be a useful flexible vehicle.

    On other vehicle we have seen is a light truck with a single pallet... now assuming the single pallet light truck uses standard pallets that means it could carry one 122mm, 220mm 0r 300mm pallet to support different units over different ranges of targets.

    This would mean for light units that use light rockets (122mm) they could use Tornado-G, while light mobile units might use the light truck Tornado with a single pallet capacity, while heavier units or units than need heavy fire power could use the other Tornado with the two pallets.
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    MLRS "Smerch" and "Tornado-S" will receive guided missiles

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:37 am

    MLRS "Smerch" and "Tornado-S" will receive guided missiles

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20151121/1325676321.html
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    MOSCOW, 21 Nov — RIA Novosti. Guided missiles will be developed for reactive systems of volley fire (MLRS) "Smerch" and "Tornado-S", said Saturday the Deputy chief of Rocket troops and artillery (Rvia) of Russian Land forces the General-major Alexander Drahomaretskiy.
    "For "Smerch" and "Tornado-S" in the future will be developed guided missiles, which will carry out the exact defeat of the purposes",- said the General-the major in radio station interview "Russian news service".
    Earlier it was reported that MLRS "Tornado-S" will greatly enhance the capability of the troops. It will enhance the combat potential of the existing "Tornado" through the creation of a new family of rockets, new approaches and improvements that are associated with a geodetic reference guidance

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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:59 am

    Deadly Typhoon: Russian Army to Receive Over 40 Tornado Rocket Systems

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160116/1033232222/tornado-rocket-system-russia.html#ixzz3xQKEngJj
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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

    Post  George1 on Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:17 am

    From various pages i have reached the following conclusions about Tornado systems:

    1. 9A52-4 Tornado.

    The 9A52-4 Tornado system is based on the chassis of the KamAZ-63501 8x8 military truck, which provides good tactical mobility. It is equipped with a single container with six launcher tubes for 300-mm rockets, which can fire all current Smerch rockets, including HE-FRAG, incendiary, thermobaric, cluster with anti-personnel or anti-tank mines.
    Maximum range of fire is 70 km with ordinary and 90 km with extended-range rockets. Rockets are fitted with range and direction correction system for better accuracy.

    The 9A52-4 multiple launch rocket system may be Russia's answer to the US HIMARS. It is a lightweight and universal version of the Smerch MLRS. The 9A52-4 is more strategically and tactically mobile, but mobility comes at a cost of reduced firepower.




    2. 9A53-G Tornado (2x15 1x40 One 122mm Upgraded BM-21 "Grad" Multiple Rocket Launcher Module, based on a Kamaz Truck.



    The new Tornado-G looks in view similar to the ageing Grad, but it has a number of improvements. Rockets of this new system have improved range and more powerful warheads. The Tornado-G is also fitted with automatic positioning, navigation, aiming and laying systems.

    The Tornado-G rockets are fitted with cluster warheads with self-guided multi-purpose submunitions. These have a range of 30 km and can be used against enemy infantry and armored vehicles. These submunitions penetrate 60 to 100 mm of RHA. Also there are rockets with HE-FRAG warheads. These have a range of up to 40 km.


    3. 9A53-S Tornado. 300mm Upgraded BM-30 "Smerch"



    Only the 2nd type has entered service. I would like to see 1st type also which is considered analogue to US HIMARS


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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

    Post  George1 on Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:37 am

    Western MD artillery formation received 8 Uragan MLRS



    One of the Western MD artillery formations received 8 Uragan multiple launch rocket systems and 16 transport-loading vehicles. These systems are to raise combat capabilities of the formation while defensive and offensive operations.

    These MLRS are designed for engaging covered manpower, light-armored and armored combat hardware, artillery, tactic missile complexes, command and communication centers, and other infrastructural objects of the enemy.

    The 220mm Uragan systems are capable to perform firing by single projectiles as by full barrage at targets located in the area of about 40 hectares at the distance up to 35 kilometers. Each projectile weights 280 kg.

    It takes no more than three minutes to prepare the system for firing. Full barrage is performed in 20 seconds. The MLRS battery is ready to perform marching in a minute after firing.

    http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12078125@egNews
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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:35 am

    Russian MoD to Purchase More Brand New Multiple Rocket Launchers by 2020

    The Russian Defense Ministry will purchase around 700 more multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) of three different types, produced by the Russian Motovilikha Plants manufacturer, by 2020, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said Friday.

    PERM (Russia) (Sputnik) – Russia is currently implementing a large-scale rearmament program to modernize 70 percent of its military hardware by 2020.

    “Motovilikha produces all three types [of the MLRSs] — Tornado-G, a new type, and Uragan and Smerch, which are new modifications of Tornado-S. The volume of purchases in the current state program of armaments is very large, about 700 more systems should be purchased,” Borisov said during a visit to the plant.

    “I think that in the newly proposed state program of armaments, these systems will be in demand, because of qualitative changes to the characteristics of the MLRSs, which are becoming high-precision weapons,” the deputy minister added.

    Russia is currently implementing a large-scale rearmament program, announced in 2010, to modernize 70 percent of its military hardware. The total modernization program cost is estimated to reach about 20 trillion rubles (some $291 billion at the current exchange rates).

    Motovilikha Plants JSC manufactures both metallurgical and military equipment. Besides MLRSs, the company produces field artillery guns, self-propelled artillery and mortars.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160408/1037696099/russia-mlrs-launchers.html#ixzz45F3IIYD5
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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

    Post  Viktor on Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:30 pm

    Massive thumbsup

    The Russian military for five years, will buy about 700 MLRS
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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Apr 10, 2016 12:25 am

    Viktor wrote:Massive  thumbsup

    The Russian military for five years, will buy about 700 MLRS

    As I suspected, this is the 'asymmetrical response' VVP was talking about, 700 MLRS and probably at least 200 of them are Smerch 300mm MLRS, in which a single system could easily take out dozens of MBT's at a time with EFP's and anti-tank mines (designed to take out a MBT's mobility). With talks of extending the range of Smerch from 90 km to 150 km and even rumors of pushing the range out to 200 km, which should be an adequate asymmetrical response to NATO's build up in Eastern Europe, and we're talking about conventional warheads, let alone actual tactical nuclear warheads that could be used on a 150 km range 300mm Smerch rocket.

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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

    Post  Project Canada on Sat Apr 16, 2016 4:44 pm




    I am confused, the title says Tornado-S but they are showing what looks like a BM-30 Smerch, Am I missing something? is Tornado-S the missile itself? what happened to the supposed new chassis as shown in the above posts? thanks!

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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

    Post  Project Canada on Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:25 am

    Russian Tornado-S Rocket Systems Deliver Blow That Rivals Nuclear Blast
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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:13 am

    Project Canada wrote:


    I am confused, the title says Tornado-S but they are showing what looks like a BM-30 Smerch, Am I missing something? is Tornado-S the missile itself? what happened to the supposed new chassis as shown in the above posts? thanks!
    Yup even the left-most sign on the models at the end clearly says RS30 <<Smerch>>

    Who they foolin'?
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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

    Post  OminousSpudd on Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:15 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:


    I am confused, the title says Tornado-S but they are showing what looks like a BM-30 Smerch, Am I missing something? is Tornado-S the missile itself? what happened to the supposed new chassis as shown in the above posts? thanks!
    Yup even the left-most sign on the models at the end clearly says RS30 <<Smerch>>

    Who they foolin'?

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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

    Post  Project Canada on Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:41 pm

    Smerch aka Tornado-S complete video


    so it seems they ditched the modified launch platform and sticked to a more simpler one with minor changes.
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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:26 pm

    Most likely. Probably to save money. Although, what is the major difference between both systems?
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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

    Post  Militarov on Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:30 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Most likely. Probably to save money. Although, what is the major difference between both systems?

    Navigation and fire control from what i can see. Rest is more or less the same.
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    Recent excercise with TOS-1 and BM-21

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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:30 pm

    Part of state Corporation rostec has formed a new holding company, which will specialize in the design and manufacture of jet systems of volley fire (MLRS) “Smerch”. On Wednesday, August 31, according to video News Service.

    According to the interlocutor of the Agency in the defense industry, the company was founded on the basis of the Tula company “the Alloy”. Its establishment is associated with increased several times the demand for MLRS. The text notes that part of the holding, in addition to “Alloy”, includes such companies as “Motovilikhinskiye Zavody” (Perm), “Novosibirsk plant of artificial fiber” and “Bryansk chemical plant of a name 50-letiya SSSR”.

    The jet system of volley fire “Tornado”, developed in the first half of the 1980s, was adopted in 1987. The creation of a system to the experts “Tulagorvodokanal” (now “Fusion”).

    The range of fire of “Smerch” in the modernized version is 120 miles away. Depending on modification, the system can be equipped with four, six or 12 guides for 300-mm rockets. In the calculation of a combat machine consists of three people. Full volley machine of 12 rounds takes 40 seconds, after which the system three minutes can curl up and leave the position.

    Missiles “Tornado” equipped with cluster warheads with shrapnel, homing additive or shaped-charge fragmentation submunitions and a monobloc high-explosive and thermobaric parts. In addition, the “Tornado” can realize remote mining area or to launch reconnaissance drones.


    http://rushincrash.com/uncategorized/manufacturers-of-reactive-systems-of-volley-fire-in-russia-have-united-in-holding/
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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan, Tornado

    Post  George1 on Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:09 am

    Russian army to get Tornado-S multiple rocket launchers in 2017

    The new Tornado-S will be armed with high accuracy rockets and a new automated control and aiming system

    MOSCOW, September 26. /TASS/. Russia’s army will start getting multiple rocket launchers Tornado-S starting from next year, the chief of the department concerned at the Defense Ministry’s state defense contract support department, Mikhail Osyko, said on Monday.

    "In 2016, the 220-mm system Uragan-M1 was authorized for service. So was the 300-mm system Tornado-S. It was approved in July-August-2016. The inter-departmental commission has approved the documentation," Osyko said on the Rossiya-24 television news channel.

    He recalled that the contract for providing Tornado-S and a number of new rockets for them was signed at the Army-2016 forum, held near Moscow, at the beginning of September.

    "The army will have them in 2017," he added.

    Earlier, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said that Tornado-S will begin to be manufactured serially in 2017.

    The new system will surpass its predecessor in terms of the range of fire. It will be armed with high accuracy rockets and a new automated control and aiming system.


    More:
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    Post  Benya on Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:23 am

    I really hope that this will be the TOS-2 on Armata chassis


    Russia will develop new generation of flamethrower designated as Tosochka in 2017.

    A new-generation heavy flamethrower system developed on the basis of the TOS-1 Buratino flamethrower will start undergoing state trials in 2017, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said.


    TOS-1 Russian-made 220mm heavy flame thrower system

    "We are expected to complete the development work on the promising flamethrower system in 2017 and I hope that the system will be serial-produced after it passes state trials. This development work is designated as Tosochka," Borisov said.

    Head of the Defense Ministry’s Defense Procurement Department Colonel Mikhail Osyko said earlier that the Defense Ministry was studying an option to develop a new extended-range heavy flamethrower system.

    The TOS-1 heavy flame thrower system is a 220mm 30-barrel multiple rocket launcher system which can fire rockets with thermobaric or incendiary warheads. The Russian development of the TOS-1 began in the late 1980s. Heavy flamethrower system TOS-1 was designed and created by the beginning of the 1980s.

    The TOS-1 fires 220mm unguided rockets with a mimum range of 600 m and a maximum range of 4,000 m. All the rocket can be fired at the same time in 6 seconds maximum. The zone of ensured destruction from a Buratino salvo is 200 x 400 meters.

    Source: Arrow http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/russia_will_develop_new_generation_of_flamethrower_designated_as_tosochka_in_2017_tass_12209163.html


    I also hope that they will double its range to become unreachable by enemy ATGMs, since if anything hits the rocket container on the top of the vehicle, it will cause an explosion so big that the crew would have zero chance to survive.

    In this video, a TOS-1 Buratino can be seen being blown into smithereens by a Syrian rebel ATGM.

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