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    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:35 pm

    Russian MoD to Purchase More Brand New Multiple Rocket Launchers by 2020

    The Russian Defense Ministry will purchase around 700 more multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) of three different types, produced by the Russian Motovilikha Plants manufacturer, by 2020, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said Friday.

    PERM (Russia) (Sputnik) – Russia is currently implementing a large-scale rearmament program to modernize 70 percent of its military hardware by 2020.

    “Motovilikha produces all three types [of the MLRSs] — Tornado-G, a new type, and Uragan and Smerch, which are new modifications of Tornado-S. The volume of purchases in the current state program of armaments is very large, about 700 more systems should be purchased,” Borisov said during a visit to the plant.

    “I think that in the newly proposed state program of armaments, these systems will be in demand, because of qualitative changes to the characteristics of the MLRSs, which are becoming high-precision weapons,” the deputy minister added.

    Russia is currently implementing a large-scale rearmament program, announced in 2010, to modernize 70 percent of its military hardware. The total modernization program cost is estimated to reach about 20 trillion rubles (some $291 billion at the current exchange rates).

    Motovilikha Plants JSC manufactures both metallurgical and military equipment. Besides MLRSs, the company produces field artillery guns, self-propelled artillery and mortars.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160408/1037696099/russia-mlrs-launchers.html#ixzz45F3IIYD5


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    Post  Viktor on Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:30 pm

    Massive thumbsup

    The Russian military for five years, will buy about 700 MLRS
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Apr 10, 2016 6:25 am

    Viktor wrote:Massive  thumbsup

    The Russian military for five years, will buy about 700 MLRS

    As I suspected, this is the 'asymmetrical response' VVP was talking about, 700 MLRS and probably at least 200 of them are Smerch 300mm MLRS, in which a single system could easily take out dozens of MBT's at a time with EFP's and anti-tank mines (designed to take out a MBT's mobility). With talks of extending the range of Smerch from 90 km to 150 km and even rumors of pushing the range out to 200 km, which should be an adequate asymmetrical response to NATO's build up in Eastern Europe, and we're talking about conventional warheads, let alone actual tactical nuclear warheads that could be used on a 150 km range 300mm Smerch rocket.
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    Post  Project Canada on Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:44 pm




    I am confused, the title says Tornado-S but they are showing what looks like a BM-30 Smerch, Am I missing something? is Tornado-S the missile itself? what happened to the supposed new chassis as shown in the above posts? thanks!
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    Post  Project Canada on Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:25 pm

    Russian Tornado-S Rocket Systems Deliver Blow That Rivals Nuclear Blast
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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:13 pm

    Project Canada wrote:


    I am confused, the title says Tornado-S but they are showing what looks like a BM-30 Smerch, Am I missing something? is Tornado-S the missile itself? what happened to the supposed new chassis as shown in the above posts? thanks!
    Yup even the left-most sign on the models at the end clearly says RS30 <<Smerch>>

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    Post  OminousSpudd on Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:15 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:


    I am confused, the title says Tornado-S but they are showing what looks like a BM-30 Smerch, Am I missing something? is Tornado-S the missile itself? what happened to the supposed new chassis as shown in the above posts? thanks!
    Yup even the left-most sign on the models at the end clearly says RS30 <<Smerch>>

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    Post  Project Canada on Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:41 am

    Smerch aka Tornado-S complete video


    so it seems they ditched the modified launch platform and sticked to a more simpler one with minor changes.
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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:26 am

    Most likely. Probably to save money. Although, what is the major difference between both systems?
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    Post  Militarov on Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:30 am

    sepheronx wrote:Most likely. Probably to save money. Although, what is the major difference between both systems?

    Navigation and fire control from what i can see. Rest is more or less the same.

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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:30 pm

    Part of state Corporation rostec has formed a new holding company, which will specialize in the design and manufacture of jet systems of volley fire (MLRS) “Smerch”. On Wednesday, August 31, according to video News Service.

    According to the interlocutor of the Agency in the defense industry, the company was founded on the basis of the Tula company “the Alloy”. Its establishment is associated with increased several times the demand for MLRS. The text notes that part of the holding, in addition to “Alloy”, includes such companies as “Motovilikhinskiye Zavody” (Perm), “Novosibirsk plant of artificial fiber” and “Bryansk chemical plant of a name 50-letiya SSSR”.

    The jet system of volley fire “Tornado”, developed in the first half of the 1980s, was adopted in 1987. The creation of a system to the experts “Tulagorvodokanal” (now “Fusion”).

    The range of fire of “Smerch” in the modernized version is 120 miles away. Depending on modification, the system can be equipped with four, six or 12 guides for 300-mm rockets. In the calculation of a combat machine consists of three people. Full volley machine of 12 rounds takes 40 seconds, after which the system three minutes can curl up and leave the position.

    Missiles “Tornado” equipped with cluster warheads with shrapnel, homing additive or shaped-charge fragmentation submunitions and a monobloc high-explosive and thermobaric parts. In addition, the “Tornado” can realize remote mining area or to launch reconnaissance drones.


    http://rushincrash.com/uncategorized/manufacturers-of-reactive-systems-of-volley-fire-in-russia-have-united-in-holding/
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    Post  George1 on Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:09 pm

    Russian army to get Tornado-S multiple rocket launchers in 2017

    The new Tornado-S will be armed with high accuracy rockets and a new automated control and aiming system

    MOSCOW, September 26. /TASS/. Russia’s army will start getting multiple rocket launchers Tornado-S starting from next year, the chief of the department concerned at the Defense Ministry’s state defense contract support department, Mikhail Osyko, said on Monday.

    "In 2016, the 220-mm system Uragan-M1 was authorized for service. So was the 300-mm system Tornado-S. It was approved in July-August-2016. The inter-departmental commission has approved the documentation," Osyko said on the Rossiya-24 television news channel.

    He recalled that the contract for providing Tornado-S and a number of new rockets for them was signed at the Army-2016 forum, held near Moscow, at the beginning of September.

    "The army will have them in 2017," he added.

    Earlier, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said that Tornado-S will begin to be manufactured serially in 2017.

    The new system will surpass its predecessor in terms of the range of fire. It will be armed with high accuracy rockets and a new automated control and aiming system.


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    Post  TheArmenian on Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:00 am

    Revealed on TV:

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    Post  franco on Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:03 pm

    First Tornado-S delivered to Russian Army. Not specified numbers or unit yet.

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    Post  BliTTzZ on Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:54 am

    Technically there are going to be fours MRLS systems:
    - Tornado-G (upgraded 122mm Grad);
    - Tornado-U (upgraded 220mm Uragan);
    - Tornado-S (upgraded 300mm Search);
    - new bicaliber system Uragan-1M, which can use 220mm and 300mm rockets. Didn't find any info about 122mm yet.
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    Post  Benya on Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:20 pm

    Russian Tornado-S 300mm Multiple Launch Rocket System MLRS has successfully passed state trials

    The Russian-made Tornado-S 300mm multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) by the Splav scientific production association (a subsidiary of the Russian Rostec state corporation) has successfully passed state trials, the Director General of the company, Vladimir Lepin told the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper.


    Russian-made Tornado-S 300mm MLRS (Multiple Launch Rocket System)

    "The Tornado-S is a really massive work. The state trials have been finished with a positive result; we have implemented the design and development work in total…It marks a new era in the industry," Lepin said.

    He added that Splav features a large portfolio of MLRS. "We have something to offer to the Russian Ministry of Defense, namely, Tornado-G, Tornado-S, Uragan-1M systems. These developments are new ones, and they have reflected in the Russian State Defense Order (GOZ, Gosoboronzakaz) program. We have increased the production output more than twofold for the last two years," the director said. He added that the company had implemented GOZ-2016 to full degree ahead-of-schedule. Lepin pointed out that the Tornado-G MLRS had been accepted for service in 2014.

    According to him, the items of hardware developed by Splav are in high demand on the global market. "The Rosoboronexport company (a subsidiary of the Rostec state corporation) has been increasing the volumes of our production sales in a drastic manner in the recent years. We are working closely with the Arab world, countries of the East, and India. For instance, the Grad MLRS has been delivered to 64 foreign countries since its development in 1963," Lepin emphasized.

    Source: Arrow http://www.armyrecognition.com/january_2017_global_defense_security_army_news_industry/russian_tornado-s_300mm_multiple_launch_rocket_system_mlrs_successfully_passed_state_trials_13101171.html

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    Post  BliTTzZ on Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:30 pm

    Benya wrote:

    Russian-made Tornado-S 300mm MLRS (Multiple Launch Rocket System)
    That's not "Tornado-S" on the picture, it's "Uragan-1M", new bicaliber MLRS. "Tornado-S" is upgraded BM-30 "Smerch", they look almost the same.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:39 am

    If one system can carry pallets of rockets ready to fire and can carry them in three different calibres (ie 122mm, 220mm and 300mm) then why also have upgraded models of the Grad, Uragan, and Smerch too?

    I mean I could understand the development of a light vehicle based on a light truck that carries one pallet of either 122mm, 220mm or 300mm that could go places the heavier vehicles could not and would be cheaper to buy and operate, and I can see the point in a much larger heavier vehicle that can carry two pallets of rockets ready to fire in the three calibres, but what I don't understand is the idea of having all three original vehicles in their different calibres plus a new vehicle able to carry the same ordinance as those three original vehicles.

    Just seems a little redundant.

    Perhaps what we are seeing is what the company wants to sell rather than what the Russian Army wants to buy.

    For now upgrades of the Grad make sense because the light vehicle has good mobility and low cost so it will always make sense, but having a slightly heavier vehicle able to replicate the loads of the three vehicles previously in service with all three calibre options means replacing three different vehicle types with two vehicle types without having to give up a calibre.


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    Post  BliTTzZ on Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:20 am

    GarryB wrote:If one system can carry pallets of rockets ready to fire and can carry them in three different calibres (ie 122mm, 220mm and 300mm) then why also have upgraded models of the Grad, Uragan, and Smerch too?

    I mean I could understand the development of a light vehicle based on a light truck that carries one pallet of either 122mm, 220mm or 300mm that could go places the heavier vehicles could not and would be cheaper to buy and operate, and I can see the point in a much larger heavier vehicle that can carry two pallets of rockets ready to fire in the three calibres, but what I don't understand is the idea of having all three original vehicles in their different calibres plus a new vehicle able to carry the same ordinance as those three original vehicles.

    Just seems a little redundant.

    Perhaps what we are seeing is what the company wants to sell rather than what the Russian Army wants to buy.

    For now upgrades of the Grad make sense because the light vehicle has good mobility and low cost so it will always make sense, but having a slightly heavier vehicle able to replicate the loads of the three vehicles previously in service with all three calibre options means replacing three different vehicle types with two vehicle types without having to give up a calibre.
    The interesting part is, as far as I know, that this system is going to use also ATACMS type of missiles, but funny enough I can't find any information about 122mm pellet packs. I personally think this system has its advantages over previous generation mono type vehicles. It requires less time to change the packs than to manually reload ammunition.

    Also I can't find any information about upgraded Uragan, only about Grad and Smerch.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:06 am

    I understand the concept of pallet packs speeding up reloading but in a real conflict after firing the rockets the most important thing is to move immediately.

    The time it takes to move to a new position means reloading when you arrive at a new position is not as urgent as some might think.

    Personally I think the idea of being able to carry different calibres of rocket on one truck platform is the best feature of the pallet load concept. The fast reload capacity a very secondary factor.

    Smerch rockets have stabilisation gyros on board to ensure a volley lands in a fairly tight group no matter what the range but AFAIK there are no ATACMs developed for the system. It would make more sense to use Tochka-U or Iskander for such missiones. There are sensor fused munition models for anti armour use but otherwise no homing models I know of.

    There will be ground launched Hermes type ground to ground rockets with terminal guidance systems, so guided unguided rockets would be redundant to me.


    Also I can't find any information about upgraded Uragan, only about Grad and Smerch.

    Again... a lighter vehicle makes sense and a heavier vehicle able to carry more rockets makes sense but a middle weight vehicle does not make sense to me... especially if the light vehicle can carry one pallet of all three rocket calibres and the larger vehicle can carry two pallets of all three rocket calibres... what would be left for the middle vehicle to do?

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    Post  BliTTzZ on Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:02 pm

    I understand the concept of pallet packs speeding up reloading but in a real conflict after firing the rockets the most iпmportant thing is to move immediately.

    The time it takes to move to a new position means reloading when you arrive at a new position is not as urgent as some might think.

    Personally I think the idea of being able to carry different calibres of rocket on one truck platform is the best feature of the pallet load concept. The fast reload capacity a very secondary factor.
    I agree with you on this but if you're involved in conflict with asymmetric warfare, when your forces against some guerrillas from no to minimum capability to retaliate after your strikes. Then reload time becomes more important here if, for example, it's necessary to cover large area quickly.


    Smerch rockets have stabilisation gyros on board to ensure a volley lands in a fairly tight group no matter what the range but AFAIK there are no ATACMs developed for the system. It would make more sense to use Tochka-U or Iskander for such missiones. There are sensor fused munition models for anti armour use but otherwise no homing models I know of.
    Right now I can't find the source of this info I mentioned before, sorry. IIRC it was some kind of blog, similar to bmpd.

    I was also very curious about it because of analogy with ATACMS for M270 and HIMARS. But in contrary to Russia US doesn't have independent platforms like Tochka or Iskander, so their vehicles are more multirole.


    Again... a lighter vehicle makes sense and a heavier vehicle able to carry more rockets makes sense but a middle weight vehicle does not make sense to me... especially if the light vehicle can carry one pallet of all three rocket calibres and the larger vehicle can carry two pallets of all three rocket calibres... what would be left for the middle vehicle to do?
    No, I was talking about modernisation for older Grad, Uragan and Smerch systems. First and third upgraded vehicles are already on duty, but no words about modernized Uragan. And as we can see 220mm rockets are planned for Uragan-1M, so there's still use for this type of ammunition.


    regarding the 122mm calibre pallets:




    On the first picture it's not Uragan-1M but modified Grad on Kamaz chassis, while the second one is pretty old, dated year 2013 IIRC.
    Most recent photos I've seen are from celebration of Artillery Day at Luga. And this particular vehicle presented there was equipped with 220mm and 300mm ammo containers. Don't get me wrong like I'm trying to argue what you said about 122mm packs, there's just to little footage of this vehicle nowadays.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:53 am

    Great News, Smerch's successor, Tornado-S will get GLONASS guided munitions capable of destroying targets beyond 200km's!

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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:37 am



    200km range is pretty good. the only down is that it only carry 12 missiles.
    Will have been nicer to see Super heavy trucks to carry ~36 missiles instead or better
    50 missiles . It might require a more bigger truck but the fire power will be worth of it.

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