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    Post  crod on Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:51 am

    Are there any tangible benefits now? Has the US (then safe to assume Israel) got all the info required now to defeat such older systems. What will Ian get? Is the Antey-2500 not a better option?


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    Post  Viktor on Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:50 am

    crod wrote:Are there any tangible benefits now? Has the US (then safe to assume Israel) got all the info required now to defeat such older systems. What will Ian get? Is the Antey-2500 not a better option?

    What info might that be?!?!?!  

    Dont believe in every piece of spam you read. Yes Antey-2500 is a better option but much longer in time.


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    My opinion is that this has nothing to do with the waring of US not to send arms to Ukraine because they have been doing it for some time - this is a done deal

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    Post  Viktor on Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:37 am

    According to Russian Security Council the S-300 delivery date to Iran is not far Very Happy


    Security Council of the Russian Federation on the date of delivery of S-300 to Iran: it is not a distant prospect


    Well Nikolai Patrushev sad at least 6 months - the important thing is that this thing started to unfold

    Patrushev: Iran gets the C-300 for at least six months


    This just keeps getting better as information keeps pouring in Very Happy

    Now the Iranian defense minister will be in Moscow this week Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

    Iranian Minister to Discuss S-300 Missile Defense System Delivery in Moscow

    According to a source in the Iranian Defense Ministry, Iranian Defense Minister Hossein Dehgan will discuss the conditions for delivering Russian S-300 missile defense systems to Tehran during his visit this week to Moscow.

    I think Russia should sweeten the deal and give Iran at Nebo-M! Very Happy


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    Post  crod on Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:26 pm

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    crod wrote:Are there any tangible benefits now? Has the US (then safe to assume Israel) got all the info required now to defeat such older systems. What will Ian get? Is the Antey-2500 not a better option?

    What info might that be?!?!?!  

    Dont believe in every piece of spam you read.

    So the system is not obsolete yet? Will it be strong enough to keep out the usual suspects? How many batteries are included in the deal Victor? And do you think this is just posturing from the Kremlin or do you think they will deliver?
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    Post  Viktor on Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:50 pm

    crod wrote:So the system is not obsolete yet?

    System which can attack 6 targets simultaneously and form an integrated air defense netwoork can NOT be called obsolete.



    crod wrote:Will it be strong enough to keep out the usual suspects?

    That depends on the numbers and strength of the opposing force. It makes no sense to put a single S-300 battery against entire US force and when eventually destroyed say that S-300

    lost because it was obsolete Very Happy but you may put 12 S-300 batteries in Syria and give them 75-100 MiG-35 and than say that their air space is secured. Got it.



    crod wrote:How many batteries are included in the deal Victor?

    5 batteries in a 800 million $ deal.

    5 batteries can shoot at 30 areal targets simultaneously with 72 missiles but its command post can integrate other Iranian SAM units under its umbrela providing

    calculations and target distribution.


    crod wrote:And do you think this is just posturing from the Kremlin or do you think they will deliver?
    Cheers,

    I think yes, definitely. There will be no screw up this time.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:18 pm

    Moscow's decision to deliver S-300 to Iran will not affect nuclear talks — EU commission

    The EU is concerned about Russia's decision to lift the ban on the supplies of S-300 air defense missiles to Iran

    BRUSSELS, April 14. /TASS/. The European Union is concerned about Russia's decision to lift the ban on the supplies of S-300 air defense missiles to Iran but it will not affect negotiations on the Islamic Republic's nuclear program, a spokesperson for EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini said on Tuesday.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday signed a decree on lifting the ban on supplies of S-300 air defense systems to Iran. Tehran now expects Russia to deliver S-300 air defense missile systems already this year.


    Why did Russia lift the ban?

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Monday Russia’s voluntary embargo on deliveries of S-300 missile systems to Iran is no longer needed due to progress in the resolution of the situation around Iran’s nuclear program.

    "Initially, the decision to suspend the implementation of the contract, which was already signed and came into force, was made in September 2010," he recalled. "It was done in the interests of support for consolidated efforts of the six international negotiators to stimulate a maximally constructive process of talks on settlement of the situation around Iran’s nuclear program."

    The minister particularly stressed that "it was done absolutely voluntarily."

    "Resolution 1929 of the Security Council, which was approved in 2010, just like any other UN resolutions did not impose any restrictions on deliveries of air defense weapons to Iran. I will emphasize, it was done in the spirit of goodwill to stimulate progress at the talks," he said.

    This year, Lavrov continued, the six international negotiators, after a regular round of talks with Iran, "stated" on April 2 in Lausanne "substantial progress in settling Iran’s nuclear problem."

    "The P5+1 stated progress in the settlement of Iran’s nuclear program. Political frameworks of the final agreement were coordinated. They received a high assessment everywhere on the international arena," he said.

    The P5+1 is the five permanent members of the UN Security Council - the United States, Russia, China, the United Kingdom, and France - plus Germany.

    "This result was in many respects achieved because the six international negotiators worked in a consolidated manner on political settlement of the serious problem," he said. "We are convinced that at this stage, there’s no more need of such an embargo, Russia’s separate voluntary embargo."

    "S-300 is an air defense missile system, which is of a purely defensive nature. It is not designed for attacks and will not put at risk the security of any regional state, including Israel, of course," Lavrov said.

    "Meanwhile, for Iran, taking into account the very tense situation in the region surrounding it, modern air defense systems are very important," he said.

    "This is in particular proven by an alarmingly fast development of events in the past week of the military situation around Yemen. Of course, we couldn’t but take into account commercial and reputational aspects too. As a result of contract suspension, Russia did not receive large sums we were to have received," Lavrov said.

    "We see no more necessity in doing that, taking into account progress in the talks on settlement of the Iranian nuclear program and an absolutely legitimate nature of this forthcoming deal," he said.
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    Post  Viktor on Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:10 pm

    Gota love the logic behind this reasoning ... Very Happy

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    The news of the week would be if Shoigu where to announce tomorrow that Russsia struck a deal with Iran about the sale of 100-150 Su-30 Very Happy

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    remember Mr.I.Korotchenko said about possible 11-13 bin $ deal Very Happy



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    Post  Viktor on Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:55 am

    Excellent - given all the sudden "coordination" I bet Iranian S-300 crew have been trained already


    Iranian Defense Minister: Iran will get the S-300 to the end of 2015

    Minister of Defence of the Islamic Republic, Gen. Hossein:
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:23 am

    Finally - just great thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup

    Iranian Defense Minister: the issue of delivery of S-300 resolved
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:13 pm

    Excellent ! thumbsup

    Deliveries will be over by the end of 2015 Very Happy

    Iran Expects Deliveries of Russian S-300 Missiles by Year End

    "We agreed to discuss all issues related to this contract and prepare an agreement within a month, so that the contract could be implemented by the end of the year."
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:38 pm

    Great Very Happy thumbsup

    Iran to Receive Modernized Version of Russian S-300 Missile Defense Systems

    and as suspected Very Happy

    Dehghan said that no additional Russian specialists would be needed since all of the Iranian specialists working with the system had already gone through training.
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    Post  macedonian on Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:53 pm

    Russian Foreign Ministry: delivery of S-300 systems to Iran is not a matter of near future
    The political decision to open such an opportunity is far more important, says the ministry
    TASS wrote:MOSCOW, April 23. /TASS/. The delivery of S-300 air defense systems to Iran is not a matter of near future, Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov told the media on Thursday.

    "I do not think that it is a matter of near future. It is far more important that a political and legal decision has been taken to open up such an opportunity," Ryabkov said.

    He pointed out that the situation had changed drastically after the Russian president’s decision taken on April 13 to lift the freeze from the sale of S-300 to Iran.

    TASS

    Is it just me, or is this getting ridiculously embarrassing?
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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:39 pm

    Probably mistranslation as it really doesnt make sense or fit into the whole article.

    Those S-300 will be sent to Iran, as deputy defense minister does not trump president of country.
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    Post  macedonian on Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:56 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Probably mistranslation as it really doesnt make sense or fit into the whole article.
    Those S-300 will be sent to Iran, as deputy defense minister does not trump president of country.

    Yeah, well I think they're a bit more coordinated than what you give them credit.
    It's not like Lavrov's deputy can just state his own personal opinion.
    No, I fear it may be another "maneuver" that (at least in my eyes) seems very wrong.
    A possible trade-off with Israel maybe. Hope it's not, but smells fishy.

    And not a mistranslation either:
    ТАСС wrote:МИД РФ: поставка С-300 Ирану не являются вопросом ближайшего времени

    ТАСС
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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:06 pm

    Interesting. seems fishy indeed. Guess its a wait and see. I would be pissed if they go back on theor word again. But the move of the president does outweigh that of a deputy defense minister.
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    Post  macedonian on Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:11 pm

    Israeli media is quick to pick it up (for obvious reasons).
    Must say - I find this very VERY disturbing. If Russia renegades on its word YET AGAIN! well that would be truly disappointing.
    A man (country) is only good as his word!

    JT wrote:Report: Russia says no S-300 missile sales to Iran soon
    Jerusalem Post

    TOI wrote:Russia says won’t deliver S-300 to Iran ‘in near future’
    Times of Israel

    As I said - very disappointing!
    And there goes the Mistral-high-moral-ground-stand out the door.
    IF true, of course.
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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:48 pm

    I thonk the ambassader to Russia from Iran should demand am explenation from this deputy defense minister. My understanding is that S-300, by order of Putin, is to be handed over to Iran by end of this year. If this guy is making his own statement outside what is allowed, hopefully he is forced to find a new job. If it was a mistake on reporters end, then they should be slapped a fee for misreporting.
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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:18 pm

    The jewish lobby is strong and there needs to be cut away from lobbyism from countries that are also undermining and harming russias national interests and security.
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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:00 pm

    Besides this one obscure article, cant find anything else.

    The article said wont be delivored anytime soon, amd goes on to say about the push by Putin. My understanding may be that he means not soon as in not in few months because last I heard, it wont be delivored till late this year. Coming from a deputy defense minister raises an eyebrow, but it could be misquoting for how vague his statement was.

    And when he uses the term "I think", it gives way to that it os an opinion more so than not.

    Hopefully Russia keeps to its word.
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:05 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Besides this one obscure article, cant find anything else.

    The article said wont be delivored anytime soon, amd goes on to say about the push by Putin. My understanding may be that he means not soon as in not in few months because last I heard, it wont be delivored till late this year. Coming from a deputy defense minister raises an eyebrow, but it could be misquoting for how vague his statement was.

    Nothing has changed. The thing Ryabkov was referring to is that the new contract needs to be singed (approx. 1 month) afterwards Iran will get its missiles (by the end of this year).

    "I do not think it's a question of the nearest time (delivery of S-300 to Iran). More importantly, the decision to political and legal, which opens up the opportunity. As for timing, it is the subject of an agreement between Moscow and Tehran," - said Ryabkov.

    LINK
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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:10 pm

    much thanks Victor for clearing things up. No homo or anything but your like an angel to my eyes for good news.
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    Post  macedonian on Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:14 pm

    Viktor wrote:Nothing has changed. The thing Ryabkov was referring to is that the new contract needs to be singed (approx. 1 month) afterwards Iran will get its missiles (by the end of this year).

    LINK

    About the bold part...is that your analysis of it?!
    Because that's not what I read in it. Perhaps I'm missing something.

    Besides, if nothing has changed - why publish this now? Makes no sense at all.
    And why is Israeli media all over this? Are they reading it differently too?

    Not trying to deny what you say is true at all Viktor, just doesn't make much sense to me - that's all.
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:56 pm

    Here you go Macedonian. After finalizing deal with the Iranians no date about the deliveries which will happen will not be published.

    That was not my analysis. It has been said previously that Iranian S-300 contract is to old and new one needs to be drafted. You can not do that overnight.

    Iranian might increase the order, add some S-350 too for instance but in any case will opt for a more modern version of S-300 because S-300PMU1 is no longer in production.


    The conditions of supply of S-300 to Iran are confidential information

    The Deputy Prime Minister of Russia said Friday that "the conditions of supply of missile defense systems S-300 to Iran are confidential and will not be announced," reports RIA Novosti .

    In April 2015 Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree lifting the ban on the supply of S-300 systems to Iran, introduced after the accession of Russia to the resolution of the Security Council of the UN in 2010.


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    Post  macedonian on Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:26 pm

    Yes, thanks Viktor.
    There's also this from today.
    We'll just have to wait and see (and hope for the best) I guess.

    RIA wrote:VIENNA (Sputnik) — The issues related to the existing contract on deliveries of S-300 air defense systems to Iran are time-consuming and could not be resolved in a few weeks, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said Thursday.

    "In my experience, it is a rather complex and time-consuming issue. It cannot be resolved in a matter of days or even weeks," Ryabkov told RIA Novosti ahead of a fresh round of Iran nuclear talks in Vienna.
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:34 pm

    macedonian wrote:Yes, thanks Viktor.
    There's also this from today.
    We'll just have to wait and see (and hope for the best) I guess.

    RIA wrote:VIENNA (Sputnik) — The issues related to the existing contract on deliveries of S-300 air defense systems to Iran are time-consuming and could not be resolved in a few weeks, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said Thursday.

    "In my experience, it is a rather complex and time-consuming issue. It cannot be resolved in a matter of days or even weeks," Ryabkov told RIA Novosti ahead of a fresh round of Iran nuclear talks in Vienna.

    Iranians wanted to sign a new contract by the end of this month ... it does not go that way nor that fast. In light of that was by my opinion Ryabkov statement.

    It does not take much for journos to make a mess and now the whole thing will go to "invisibility" mode Very Happy

    Given US policiy in Ukraine I have no doubt Iran, Argentina and whoever will se the best of Russian weapons in many more nice defense contracts to come Very Happy

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