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    Re: Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:23 pm

    Still sad 'bout seeing those pics of the S-300 system Russia should have sold getting utilised  Sad 

    What a damn waste.

    As for Iran, with the lawsuit, it looks like they're sending a message to Russia - and I can understand where they are coming from. They are fighting for the principle, not for the system. The system itself is an obsolete one and China would probably be willing to sell Iran something more capable anyway.

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    Re: Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

    Post  lulldapull on Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:17 am

    I guess this is an abject lesson for Russia to honour its contracts with clients. Only makes Russia look goofy, unprofessional and unreliable.

    Good on Iran to make them look silly in this whole episode.

    Hopefully Iran rejects their future proposals too.
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    Re: Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

    Post  GarryB on Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:31 am

    Certainly a lesson for Russia to totally ignore western pressure to break contracts with Iran.
    Their about turn where they now say that the S-300 sales would have been legal are sickening considering at the time they were pleading with Russia to not deliver them.

    Iran can refuse anything it likes, but at the end of the day there is only one country willing to build civilian nuclear reactors for them... if they want to burn their bridges with such a country then that is fine.... they can remain in the dark ages... literally.


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    Re: Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

    Post  TR1 on Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:18 am

    lulldapull wrote:
    Hopefully Iran rejects their future proposals too.

    Good, then Iran gets the middle finger and nothing else.

    Iran is the one who desperately needs the deal, not Russia.

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    Re: Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

    Post  lulldapull on Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:19 am

    Sure doofus. Iran managed just fine without those S-300's. Russian reputation in Iran is like that of a slut-skaya. Ready to part the butt cheeks at the flash of money.

    I'll have a nice laugh at you when these western delegations strike huge business deals, and these delegations are making the rounds in Tehran and willing to drop to their knees for a quick BJ at the drop of a dime now. It's Russia's loss not Iran's.  Laughing 

    Everyone is wooing Iran now for business.


    TR1 wrote:
    lulldapull wrote:
    Hopefully Iran rejects their future proposals too.

    Good, then Iran gets the middle finger and nothing else.

    Iran is the one who desperately needs the deal, not Russia.
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    Re: Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

    Post  TR1 on Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:24 am

    I am sure Russia is terribly torn up about its reputation in Iran. remind me again which nation is the international Pariah, and sanctioned by most of the world? It ain't Russia. Smile

    LOL who is wooing Iran for business? It is under sanctions, both military and petroleum.

    Please, show me some details of these Westerners wooing IRan for military deals, you know, instead of S-300.

    My god, how can one be so hopelessly full of shit?

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    Re: Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

    Post  lulldapull on Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:43 am

    Looks like our friend 'TR-1' needs a news flash, being out on heroin for days is outta style buddy:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/french-business-delegation-in-landmark-iran-visit/2014/02/03/340f4860-8ccf-11e3-9ed8-259977a48789_story.html

    http://www.thetower.org/european-scramble-iran-threatens-undermine-white-house-credibility-heighten-calls-congressional-oversight-final-deal/

    http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/001420.html

    You, along with the 'sluts-kaya' Russian administration will be the losers.

    And for the umpteenth time............Iran no longer 'needs' S300's. Laughing 

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    Re: Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

    Post  TR1 on Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:48 am

    haha, keep digging your hole, "heroin" boy.

    Oh wow, a few visits! Amazing!

    Oh wait.....http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-iran-russia-negotiating-big-oil-goods-deal-101521838.html

    OMG! Russia and Iran ARE doing business, already, not just talking! And looks like its once again, Iran desperate for any outside way to sell its oil!

    Oh and if Iran does not need S-300, why are they trying desperately to sue Russia to get the missiles? Did that little piece of news fly over your head?

    Man, stop trolling. You suck at it.


    "During a televised interview on Feb. 5, President Hassan Rouhani commented on Iran’s international relations, asserting that there will be a new dynamic in Iran-Russia relations"

    Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/02/iran-russia-relations-new-chapter.html##ixzz2suYCCfTu

    Yep, despite all of these FACTS that Russia and Iran have a deep relationship, and the FACT that Iran desperately wants S-300 because it is shit scared of American and Israeli air strikes, and the FACT that it is very willing indeed to deal with Russia since Russia (despite the S-300 dispute) is one of the few nations that actually deals with Iran fairly......clearly Russia is losing out here.

    Friendly advice. Try not posting after snorting your girlfriend's birthcontrol.

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    Re: Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

    Post  lulldapull on Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:09 am

    Bhuwahahahaaa..........Yeah keep dreaming and jacking off on some magical Iran Russia defense relations TR-1, while sitting somewhere in a trailer park in the midwest.  Laughing 

    Iran/ Russia trade relations are currently at $2 billion per year ya buffoon.

    Now if that doesn't bust your bubble, god knows what else will!

    Iran does more business with many third world countries than with Russia!

    And for the tenth time, Iran is not interested anymore in S300's, nor does it fear any Israeli or U.S. strikes. It wants it's money back from Russia that was paid for the goods, and the goods not delivered.

    And the chances of doing business with Russia on any further reactors is also out of the question after the nasty 'slut-skaya' experience from Bushehr.

    Maybe you like slut-skaya's or that sort of behaviour in your trailer park.... lol! .....Iran is certainly not a fan of Russian integrity, because it doesn't exist.
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    Re: Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

    Post  TR1 on Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:18 am

    Jesus, you are intent on making a jackass of yourself eh?

    You get clear proof of Iran wanting close relations with Russia, indeed doing big business, but yet, you cling on to your BS.

    Iran already got the money it gave to Russia. The lawsuit is over the contract, which Iran desperately wants re-instated. Try to follow along, mkay?

    And consider yourself reported, douchebag.

    BTW:

    In June 2012, Iranian Industry, Mines and Trade Minister Mehdi Ghazanfari said that annual trade between Iran and Russia is currently around $4 billion.


    Anyways I have no idea where the hell you are taking this tangent.
    I could care less about Iran. But they clearly want S-300s and close relations with the only nation that will sell them anything worthwhile militarily. Deal with it.

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    Post  lulldapull on Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:50 am

    Sounds like you are on drugs if you believe Iran/ Russia deals will happen, when in reality they don't exist. Neither trade nor defense Laughing 

    Russia has reneged on almost all its equipment or services contracts to Iran, and the last 25 odd years are a good gauge to go by.

    The failed T-72 and BMP contracts is another one, not to mention delaying the Bushehr powerplant by 20 fukkin years you fool!

    Keep living a fools fantasy TR-1.........

    The writing is on the wall for Russia as an unreliable country to do business with.....in Iran atleast. In your trailer park it might be a different story. Rolling Eyes 

    Funny thing is India is fast catching on too every year on this 'slut-skaya' behaviour  welcome 

    Yeah, and I should report you to Garry as an insolent juvenile for starting an unprovoked personal attack by calling me a retard..........
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    Re: Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

    Post  TR1 on Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:55 am

    I said never go full retard. It is a movie quote.

    Though so far you have demonstarted that you truly are a complete retard. Report away.

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    Re: Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

    Post  sheytanelkebir on Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:59 am

    I don't think iran is in a position to make enemies with Russia. Nor is Russia looking to "break ties" with Iran. Ultimately both countries are better off with good relations... and apart from a brief period during the cold war Russia-Iran relations were always quite cosy?

    Real question is what will Iran get now? will they maybe go for a mix of S350 and Antey 2500? or maybe wait another year to buy S400?

    Their neighbours (Saudi, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Iraq, Turkey and not to mention Israel) are all arming up massively over the next few years and already mostly surpass Iran's antiquated air force. Iran does pretty desperately need an effective deterrent to their superior air forces.

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    Re: Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

    Post  lulldapull on Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:02 pm

    Next time...........don't name call or pick a fight, if you can't end it.

    now fukk off to your trailer park.

    TR1 wrote:I said never go full retard. It is a movie quote.

    Though so far you have demonstarted that you truly are a complete retard. Report away.

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    Re: Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

    Post  lulldapull on Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:07 pm

    Dude, Russia is the last place Iran will look to shop.........Iran is largely self sufficient now in arms.

    Iran's absolutely massive SRBM/ IRBM ensure that most of the Persian Gulf kingdumbs remain vulnerable to annihilation.

    you know and I know that they can't fight Iran. Mommy U.S and Israel protect them. Not their Allah.

    sheytanelkebir wrote:I don't think iran is in a position to make enemies with Russia. Nor is Russia looking to "break ties" with Iran. Ultimately both countries are better off with good relations... and apart from a brief period during the cold war Russia-Iran relations were always quite cosy?

    Real question is what will Iran get now? will they maybe go for a mix of S350 and Antey 2500? or maybe wait another year to buy S400?

    Their neighbours (Saudi, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Iraq, Turkey and not to mention Israel) are all arming up massively over the next few years and already mostly surpass Iran's antiquated air force. Iran does pretty desperately need an effective deterrent to their superior air forces.
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    Re: Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

    Post  TR1 on Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:08 pm

    Aww, mad you look like a retard for all to see.
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    Post  TR1 on Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:13 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:I don't think iran is in a position to make enemies with Russia. Nor is Russia looking to "break ties" with Iran. Ultimately both countries are better off with good relations... and apart from a brief period during the cold war Russia-Iran relations were always quite cosy?

    Real question is what will Iran get now? will they maybe go for a mix of S350 and Antey 2500? or maybe wait another year to buy S400?

    Their neighbours (Saudi, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Iraq, Turkey and not to mention Israel) are all arming up massively over the next few years and already mostly surpass Iran's antiquated air force. Iran does pretty desperately need an effective deterrent to their superior air forces.

    S-400 will not be available untill 2016 at best. Iran should just accept the Anteii, only a fool would pass on that.
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    Re: Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:47 am

    The point many miss is that Iran doesn't trust Russia any more than it trusts the west.

    It deals with Russia because Russia will deal with them on things like nuclear power stations.

    On paper if Iran was best friends with Russia and the Soviet Union they could have replaced their fleet of worn out F-14s and F-4s with Su-35s or at least Su-30SMs and upgraded their Mig-29s to M standard at least.

    Considering their requirements I would have said a few units of Mig-31Es would have been the best solution to defend from the inevitable cruise missile attack from the US.


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    Re: Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

    Post  sheytanelkebir on Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:21 am

    yea. MiG31E would have been a very good "fit" for Iran. Did Russia refuse to sell them? Or did the Iranians not want them is the question...

    letting their air force go down into its current decrepit state seems very odd from a purely military standpoint... but then again they seem to believe they can replace their air force with ballistic missiles... which makes the building of effective land based air defences all the more urgent.

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:26 am

    lulldapull wrote:Dude, Russia is the last place Iran will look to shop.........Iran is largely self sufficient now in arms.

    for many things they are. But still not for long range SAMs or fighter aircraft...

    Iran's absolutely massive SRBM/ IRBM ensure that most of the Persian Gulf kingdumbs remain vulnerable to annihilation.

    only if they fit them with nukes. The gulfies are investing massively in THAAD, PATRIOT PAC2-3, AN/FPS-132 Block 5 in Qatar... and not to mention their shed load of 4.5 Gen fighters and ample supplies of cruise missiles and GPS guided ordnance... unless Iran has nukes on (some) of its missiles, they do not have an effective deterrent to the gulf.

    you know and I know that they can't fight Iran. Mommy U.S and Israel protect them. Not their Allah.

    They don't want to fight iran directly, that is true, but if they "had to" they can destroy Iran's conventional military quite comprehensively without setting foot on Iranian Soil... hence why Iran needs effective protection from their fighters, missiles etc...
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    Re: Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:39 am

    yea. MiG31E would have been a very good "fit" for Iran. Did Russia refuse to sell them? Or did the Iranians not want them is the question...

    I don't think Iran seriously considered them, though I would think a few hundred Su-27SMs might have been the ideal replacement for the F-14s and F-4s... long range, plenty of missiles carried... relatively large radar... potentially low maintainence.

    I have read the Iranians quite liked their Su-24s and Mig-29s but the service they got from Mig was not ideal.

    Dude, Russia is the last place Iran will look to shop.........Iran is largely self sufficient now in arms.

    Not really... they can't keep remaking 1960s/1970s US aircraft forever.

    unless Iran has nukes on (some) of its missiles, they do not have an effective deterrent to the gulf.

    Agreed... not so precise missiles require nuke warheads to be effective. If they could get accuracy down to less than 10m then nuclear warheads would not be needed but they are not at that level yet.

    They don't want to fight iran directly, that is true, but if they "had to" they can destroy Iran's conventional military quite comprehensively without setting foot on Iranian Soil... hence why Iran needs effective protection from their fighters, missiles etc...

    Iran would not be the pushover Iraq has been, but I think their opponents would enjoy Iran fighting back so they can target population as well as military targets... they want to get rid of the whole regime...


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    Re: Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:24 pm

    Their neighbours (Saudi, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Iraq, Turkey and not to mention Israel) are all arming up massively over the next few years and already mostly surpass Iran's antiquated air force. Iran does pretty desperately need an effective deterrent to their superior air forces.

    Not a single of this countries would even consider to fight Iran for this or that reason let alone that Iran can beat all of them despite their antiquated air force.
    Enough with this, stupid, paranoid, inhibited Jewish rhetoric.  
    Iran needs new stuff to exert influence in central Asia and the Shia populations around.
    For West this is a no no situation but West loosing track and Iran proved stubborn.
    Russia is, like always, in total disarray having no clear vision about the future of the planet so moves back and forth.
    China should favor Iran heavily but Chinese being clever and patient people will not do this openly until they are sure that they can take all West on directly and still prevail,
    economically that is.
    India is less clear where fits in, probably losing vital time focusing in an introvert, mostly useless and irrelevant, antagonism with Pakistan.
    India is a superpower on the making, no reason to spend time with this backward, astray brothers, write them off is the best strategy.

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    Post  Austin on Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:24 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:India is less clear where fits in, probably losing vital time focusing in an introvert, mostly useless and irrelevant, antagonism with Pakistan.
    India is a superpower on the making, no reason to spend time with this backward, astray brothers, write them off is the best strategy.

    Being an Indian I can say I have no illusion of a Superpower in making at best in the next 2 decade a regional power.

    We dont have any good leader to lead and show super power quality and if any thing time and again Pakistan has shown when push comes to shove we fumble and collapse , thats because the powers that be are neck deep in corruption.

    And yes pakistan is least of our problem if handled well.

    Our key problem right now is Corruption , Poverty , Unemployment and Good Governance.

    If we can fix the above we can grow well and get out of the mess we are in and that needs 2 decade of good growth and good governance.

    After 2 decades say in 2035 we can see if we have the ability to lead the world......we have a long way to go.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:44 pm

    Well, two decades is an eternity for a dog, quite a bit for a man or an elephant but tomorrow for a nation  Wink 
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    Re: Russia-Iran S-300 missile systems deal

    Post  gaurav on Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:18 pm


    Our key problem right now is Corruption , Poverty , Unemployment and Good Governance
    I fully agree. all defence deals should be cancelled and money allocated for health , poverty, etc etc.
    Our per capita income is 67K inr PER YEAR.

    This translates to 1k USD per year or 90usd /month.

    Defence deals can be restarted in 2020 or later.

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