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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  AMCXXL on Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:38 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Kimppis wrote:And Su-30 must certainly be counted as a fighter. I guess the Russians could've just built new Su-27s, which would probably have been cheaper as well, if such multirole capability wasn't needed, or whatever. So that's 500 "fighters" (in 2025) + 200 Su-34s and 150 MiG-31BMs + 50-100 older planes. Because if you don't count Su-30s, then Russia indeed will have more "strike fighters" (Su-30 and Su-34) than "air superiority fighters".

    By the end of 2025 there will be no MiG-31BM of any variant, same goes for non-SMT MiG-29 and non-upgraded Su-27. All that pool of planes will be gone and there's a high chance those 40 or so Algerian rejects will either be used for DACT, training purposes or completely dumped as well.

    Even if you count Su-30 in as 'air superiority fighter', it only adds 143 planes in the equation, along with the 98 Su-35s and on top of 100 or so (previously mentioned) Su-27SM/SM3. Accounting for losses every year, there will be less than 300 planes in that category by 2030 (4th Gen fighters).

    For Russia that is a very low number. Considering that by that time there won't be more than 100 (or so) Su-57 funded and operational.

    Counting in Fullback as 'fighter' is interesting but, in the end of the day, the Su-34 will be Russia's sole tactical bomber by the late 2020s. Su-24s (as well as Tu-22M3) will also be gone by then. Someone needs to do the bombing also.

    98 Su-35 as minimun in 2020, more contract when needed starting in 2018 with Su-30SM and Su-34
    The state arms program is already outlined, after the re-election of Putin, will be announced by the incoming defense minister


    In 2025 there will be:
    60 Su-57
    165 Su-35
    120-140 Su-30SM
    110 MiG-31
    50 MiG-35
    50 MiG-29SMT (if Russia dont sell the "algerians")
    20 Su-30M2
    575-600

    In the Navy:
    20 Su-33
    24 Su-27SM3 (if finally is modernized one Sq.)
    24-48 MiG-31
    80-105 Su-30SM (if there are regiment in Pacific Fleet)
    150-200


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  AMCXXL on Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:46 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:They can always increase fighter production if they deem it necessary....I would imagine increasing production of Su-30's and Su-35's wouldn't be that difficult if need be

    Production of Su-35 is 20 per year since the end of the SU-30Mk2 production
    The question is China get the half this year and the next
    After that Russia can get 14 per year and other 6 Indonesia or other country

    The production of Su-30SM will be increased when new order is made nex year. Plant is capable to produce more than 30 as in 2015
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    Post  AMCXXL on Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:02 pm

    George1 wrote:BTW AMCXXL can you give us detailed numbers for remaining Su-24 and MiG-31?

    BTW ?? what is this??

    MiG-31:
    105 VVS (4 regiments+ 1 conversión squadron)
    25 Navy (2 squadrons)
    Total 130
    Now 100 modernized (two of them crashed), waiting 20 more of the planing of this year (handed over in the first half of 2018) and 13 of the planing if next year

    Su-24M:
    VVS about 60-70 airplanes
    4 or 5 squuadrons (it is not clear if Khurba stll will fly one sq. next year) + Lipestk
    Gvardeyskoye(Crimea) , Marinovka , Chelyabisnk (2) and Khurba??

    Navy: 2 1/2 squadrons waiting for Su-30SM replacement (1/2 Saki, Chernyakhovsk,Monchegorsk): 30 airplanes


    Su-24MR:
    VVS : 4 squadrons (Marinovka, Shatalovo, Chelyabisnk, Varfolomeyevka): 50 airplanes
    Navy: 1 1/2 sq, (1/2 saki and Monchegorsk) 18 SU-24MR


    Total, about 100 Su-24M and 70 Su-24MR to be replaced for 100 Su-34 and 50 Su-30SM, really a good change
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    Post  eehnie on Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:56 pm

    Then, which would be fraction of the signed orders to be completed after the begin of 2018?

    Preview from some months ago by Franco.

    franco wrote:The procurement plans extending into 2025 is due to be finalized in the fall but in the interim the present orders are coming close to the end. As of the end of 2017, planned procurement's against orders will be:

    Su-30SM - 104/116  (Air Force 88 and Navy 28)
    Su-35S - 68/98
    Su-34 - 105/124 (option for 16 more)
    Yak-130 - 99/109

    Already completed;

    Mig-29SMT - 52/52
    Mig-29K - 24/24
    Su-30M2 - 20/20
    Su-27SM3 - 12/12

    Have read there will be an order for 24 Mig-35 signed soon but until the MoD announce it.
    There is also an order for another 36 Su-27SM3's but they are rebuilt Su-27P. First 4 due in 2017.


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    Post  Kimppis on Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:13 pm

    AMCXXL, thanks for the informative posts, summed up well. I want to also point out that my numbers indeed combined the RuAF and Navy ("700 new 'fighters'", etc.).
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:40 pm

    [quote="eehnie"]Then, which would be fraction of the signed orders to be completed after the begin of 2018?

    Preview from some months ago by Franco.

    franco wrote:The procurement plans extending into 2025 is due to be finalized in the fall but in the interim the present orders are coming close to the end. As of the end of 2017, planned procurement's against orders will be:

    Su-34 - 107/129 (103 we have now)

    that are the correct numbers according my calculations


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:33 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:
    The modernized Su-27 will be retired in 2025 or 2026 , and the MiG-29 about 2020 except some UB´s of instructons centers

    Basically we can expect in 2020-2025:

    6 regiments of Su-27/35 + kubinka , lipestk, etc...
    4 regiments of MiG-31 + Savasleyka
    3-4 regments of Su-30SM + kubinka, etc...
    0-1 regiments of MiG-29SMT and 1 squsdron now in Astrakhan
    and later, 2 regiments of Su-57 in 2025
    MiG-35 only in suqdrons (Erebuni, Kubinka, Astrakhan)
    16 regiments and some squadrons

    In the Navy:
    2 regiments "flankers" (Kaliningrado and 279KIAP)
    3-4 regiments Su-30SM (if there are regiment for Pacific Fleet)
    2 regiments or squadrons of MiG-31

    7/8 regiments


    This means at least 25% of the airplanes will be in the Navy, so is not posible 700 in the RuAF. Only if Su-34 is included it is possible to overcome that number
    There will be 600 in RuAF and 150-200 in te Navy

    Anyway is necesary wait for the new State Armament Program

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  AMCXXL on Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:48 am

    eehnie wrote:Then, which would be fraction of the signed orders to be completed after the begin of 2018?

    Preview from some months ago by Franco.

    franco wrote:The procurement plans extending into 2025 is due to be finalized in the fall but in the interim the present orders are coming close to the end. As of the end of 2017, planned procurement's against orders will be:

    Su-30SM - 104/116  (Air Force 88 and Navy 28)
    Su-35S - 68/98
    Su-34 - 105/124 (option for 16 more)
    Yak-130 - 99/109

    Already completed;

    Mig-29SMT - 52/52
    Mig-29K - 24/24
    Su-30M2 - 20/20
    Su-27SM3 - 12/12

    Have read there will be an order for 24 Mig-35 signed soon but until the MoD announce it.
    There is also an order for another 36 Su-27SM3's but they are rebuilt Su-27P. First 4 due in 2017.

    By tye end of 2017:
    Su-30SM - 100/116  (Air Force 88 and Navy 28) remaining 16
    Su-35S - 68/98 remaining 30
    Su-34 - 107/129 remaining 22
    Yak-130 - 99/109 remaining 10

    And 50 SMT/UBT (42+8 )

    There are enough for 2018 but the production lines cannot stop so are necesary new contrcts before the summer
    ALso is posible the production of Su-30SM will be more of 16 next year, at least 12 for VVS and 8 for Navy , this means the new contract will be firmed just after elections by the incoming Defence Minister
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:58 am

    Mig-29 SMT 28 + 16 = ?
    Mig-29 UBT 6 + 2 =

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    Post  AMCXXL on Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:40 am

    franco wrote:Mig-29 SMT 28 + 16 = ?
    Mig-29 UBT 6 + 2 =


    Algerians= 34 (28+6UB) based in Kursk (24+4) Lipestk (2+1) and Astrakhan (2+1)
    New= 16 (14+2UB) in Astrakhan , numbers 20-35 (except Nº29 and 33) and UB´s 50,51
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:19 am

    what is your certainty about the numbers of orders you are predicting?

    I know for the 2027 budget it is going to increase orders of Su-35 as example, possibly Su-30. But there seems to be a lot of uncertainty other than what Bondarev stated about 700 new fighters.

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    Post  ult on Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:42 am

    There are no new orders on Su-30SM and Su-34 because UAC is working on Su-30SM1 and Su-34M. But the production lines won't just suddenly come to a halt. They will order enough to keep yearly production at the same volume as it is right now.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:00 am

    I guess by next round of orders, by then, SM1 (fixing flaws found) and 34M should be more or less ready then.
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    Post  eehnie on Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:47 am

    AMCXXL wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Isos wrote:

    Can you you give us an updated list of their air forces numbers ?

    They had so many Su-37 and mig-29, now it seem they don't and all the numbers seems totally fake on the net (specially wikipedia where they say they have like 200 mig-29 or Something like that).

    Su-27 - all types including training and Naval ~ 150
    Mig-29 - all types including training and Naval ~120

    Besovets: 12 Su-27SM , half a dozen Su-27P and 3 Su-27UB . other 40-45 Su-27S stored waiting for recicling
    Khotilovo: 12 Su-27SM , half a dozen Su-27S/P and 3 Su-27UB.
    Belbek: 12 Su-27SM , 12 Su-27P , 3 Su-27UB
    Krymsk: 14 Su-27SM3 , 4 Su-27P , 2 Su-27UB , other 2 dozens grounded since 2011 in process of recicling
    Kubinka 8-10 Su-27P waiting for replacement of Su-35S
    Kushchovskaya: 10 Su-27UB/S (8+2)
    Aktubinsk: 2 Su-27UB and 3 Su-27SM not working, should be transferred after repairs
    East 7 Su-27SM not working, should be transferred to West after repairs
    NAVY: 10 Su-27P and 3 Su-27UB waiting for more Su-27P of Besovets, Khotilovo or from repair plants.

    Total 121 VVS and 13 Navy= 134 . If Su-27K (Su-33) is inlcluded then are 154

    About the MiG-29 , excluding 50 Su-29SMT/UBT , are about 65-70 , hafl of them UB´s:
    6 UB´s Lipestk
    12 UB´s Kushchovskaya
    14-16 Astrakhan
    16 Kubinka
    18 Yerevan

    Then, doing the sum of all, it would be:

    196-203 Su-27 (20 more with the Su-33)
    116-118 MiG-29

    these would not be aircrfts in the reserve, right?

    AMCXXL wrote:In 2009 , 10 squadrons and 125 MiG-31
    The planes stored in flying condition in Lipestk (40-50) have been used for modernization.
    Other 70 are in 514 ARZ used for parts, most older versions

    Again, doing the sum, it would be:

    125 MiG-31 active
    120 MiG-31 reserve

    For a total active of Fighters (FAS+FMR) and Fighter Interceptors of:

    125 MiG-31

    068 Su-35
    020 Su-33
    120 Su-30
    196-203 Su-27

    000 MiG-35
    116-118 MiG-29

    645-654 Total begin 2018.
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    Post  AMCXXL on Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:49 am

    ult wrote:There are no new orders on Su-30SM and Su-34 because UAC is working on Su-30SM1 and Su-34M. But the production lines won't just suddenly come to a halt. They will order enough to keep yearly production at the same volume as it is right now.

    The new SAP is ready, waiting only for the new legislature in Russia. Putin is now in campaign. Do not expect a politician to announce arms purchases on the eve of an election

    You can place the order when you want and with the conditions you want

    Also the current orders are enough for 2018


    miketheterrible wrote:what is your certainty about the numbers of orders you are predicting?

    I know for the 2027 budget it is going to increase orders of Su-35 as example, possibly Su-30.  But there seems to be a lot of uncertainty other than what Bondarev stated about 700 new fighters.



    We can expect the simply replacement of existing units. And without great hurry , at the same rates as now or little more. It's a long-term plan
    Every year one squadron of Su-35 and other for VVS (probably only until to 2020), and also othersquadron of Su-30SM for Navy since 2019 .
    Of course one sqdn of new version of Su-34 since 2020.
    Also small ammounts of Su-57 and MiG-35 , this is all that Russia needs in next 8 years

    The Su-35 new contract in no necesary until the begining of 2020 but you can be sure the Su-35 will be in production for Russia at least for 15 years starting since 2011.The prodiction is 20 per year and when China receives its 24, the Russia can reeive 12 or 14 per year, the other 6-8 for export.

    About the Su-30SM, VVS need another contract of 28 for end the current deployment. This have no doubt , airplanes for complete Millerovo, Kursk and the two seater for Su-35S squadorns will be purchased. If other regiment is raised, then in 2021

    For the Navy "about 50" have been announced , this is just to replace the 4 existing squadrons of Su-24M/MR , if there are other regiment in the Pacific Fleet , then more in 2022.
    The matter with Navy is does not had figther pilots, Su-24 is very different. It is different in all aspects, including variable wings , all the squadrosn will be raised staring from zero, so at first you do not need a lot of airplanes, at the moment 20 in 4 years, later it should be a full squadron a year

    The Su-34 current contract will be completed in 2019 totalling 10 squadrons and probably the new contract for 5 or 6 more squadrons will follow in late 2019 or 2020 of the new versión Su-34M that it will also cover the task of the Su-24MR.

    About the Su-57 , only 12 for 2020 , later a couple of regments until 2025 and perphaps 2 more until 2030

    The MiG-35 24 for 2020 replacing Yerevan? and half of Kubinka sq,(single seaters) ,and other small ammount until 2025 for replacement of other squadrons in Astrakah , Lípetsk and Kubinka , some of them UB´s


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    Post  AMCXXL on Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:03 am

    eehnie wrote:
    AMCXXL wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Isos wrote:

    Can you you give us an updated list of their air forces numbers ?

    They had so many Su-37 and mig-29, now it seem they don't and all the numbers seems totally fake on the net (specially wikipedia where they say they have like 200 mig-29 or Something like that).

    Su-27 - all types including training and Naval ~ 150
    Mig-29 - all types including training and Naval ~120

    Besovets: 12 Su-27SM , half a dozen Su-27P and 3 Su-27UB . other 40-45 Su-27S stored waiting for recicling
    Khotilovo: 12 Su-27SM , half a dozen Su-27S/P and 3 Su-27UB.
    Belbek: 12 Su-27SM , 12 Su-27P , 3 Su-27UB
    Krymsk: 14 Su-27SM3 , 4 Su-27P , 2 Su-27UB , other 2 dozens grounded since 2011 in process of recicling
    Kubinka 8-10 Su-27P waiting for replacement of Su-35S
    Kushchovskaya: 10 Su-27UB/S (8+2)
    Aktubinsk: 2 Su-27UB and 3 Su-27SM not working, should be transferred after repairs
    East 7 Su-27SM not working, should be transferred to West after repairs
    NAVY: 10 Su-27P and 3 Su-27UB waiting for more Su-27P of Besovets, Khotilovo or from repair plants.

    Total 121 VVS and 13 Navy= 134 . If Su-27K (Su-33) is inlcluded then are 154

    About the MiG-29 , excluding 50 Su-29SMT/UBT , are about 65-70 , hafl of them UB´s:
    6 UB´s Lipestk
    12 UB´s Kushchovskaya
    14-16 Astrakhan
    16 Kubinka
    18 Yerevan

    Then, doing the sum of all, it would be:

    196-203 Su-27 (20 more with the Su-33)
    116-118 MiG-29

    these would not be aircrfts in the reserve, right?

    AMCXXL wrote:In 2009 , 10 squadrons and 125 MiG-31
    The planes stored in flying condition in Lipestk (40-50) have been used for modernization.
    Other 70 are in 514 ARZ used for parts, most older versions

    Again, doing the sum, it would be:

    125 MiG-31 active
    120 MiG-31 reserve

    For a total active of Fighters (FAS+FMR) and Fighter Interceptors of:

    125 MiG-31

    068 Su-35
    020 Su-33
    120 Su-30
    196-203 Su-27

    000 MiG-35
    116-118 MiG-29

    645-654 Total begin 2018.

    No, you cannot include airplanes grounded for 15-20 years that are only for parts or the way of being recicled.
    The MiG-31 of the first versions and SU-27S will not fly never again and will be scrapped or are being scrapped already

    The only reserve is in Lipestk , and most of 50 MiG-31 stored there already were modernized (mainly BSM) and replaced the MiG-31BS/DZ in the airbases in the two or tree past years.
    The 70 airplanes in 514 ARZ at Rzhev, the same of other ARZ are very old , some of them stripped and for canibalization and are decomissioned , the same that of other stored in the ARZ´s

    Particulary the airplanes of Krymsk were of the older of VVS and were abandoned there when the base closed.Are out of his useful life. The same happens with some junk thrown in a lot of air bases.
    The cotract for recicling the Su-27 of Krymsk was signed in 2014 or 2015 once the base reopened. In the satellite is posible to see aircraft that are disassembled for scrap. Of about 40 left behind there are already only 20 waiting their turn
    https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9595898,38.0004565,191m/data=!3m1!1e3

    The same in Besovets , etc... The contracts for recycle older MiG-31 of Yelizovo, Khotilovo, etc.. was also signed past years


    In  2018:
    122 Su-27 P/SM/UB
    +/-70 MiG-29
    135 MiG-31
    327 soviet made

    68 Su-35
    12 Su-27SM3
    100 Su-30SM
    20 Su-30M2 (despite are for instruction)
    50 MiG-29SMT/UBT
    23 MiG-29K
    20 Su-33
    293 russian made

    Total 620 (510 VVS and 110 in the Navy)

    This is about the same number since 2009 , that had about 600 in VVS and only 20 Su-33 in the Navy
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  eehnie on Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:18 am

    AMCXXL wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    AMCXXL wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Isos wrote:

    Can you you give us an updated list of their air forces numbers ?

    They had so many Su-37 and mig-29, now it seem they don't and all the numbers seems totally fake on the net (specially wikipedia where they say they have like 200 mig-29 or Something like that).

    Su-27 - all types including training and Naval ~ 150
    Mig-29 - all types including training and Naval ~120

    Besovets: 12 Su-27SM , half a dozen Su-27P and 3 Su-27UB . other 40-45 Su-27S stored waiting for recicling
    Khotilovo: 12 Su-27SM , half a dozen Su-27S/P and 3 Su-27UB.
    Belbek: 12 Su-27SM , 12 Su-27P , 3 Su-27UB
    Krymsk: 14 Su-27SM3 , 4 Su-27P , 2 Su-27UB , other 2 dozens grounded since 2011 in process of recicling
    Kubinka 8-10 Su-27P waiting for replacement of Su-35S
    Kushchovskaya: 10 Su-27UB/S (8+2)
    Aktubinsk: 2 Su-27UB and 3 Su-27SM not working, should be transferred after repairs
    East 7 Su-27SM not working, should be transferred to West after repairs
    NAVY: 10 Su-27P and 3 Su-27UB waiting for more Su-27P of Besovets, Khotilovo or from repair plants.

    Total 121 VVS and 13 Navy= 134 . If Su-27K (Su-33) is inlcluded then are 154

    About the MiG-29 , excluding 50 Su-29SMT/UBT , are about 65-70 , hafl of them UB´s:
    6 UB´s Lipestk
    12 UB´s Kushchovskaya
    14-16 Astrakhan
    16 Kubinka
    18 Yerevan

    Then, doing the sum of all, it would be:

    196-203 Su-27 (20 more with the Su-33)
    116-118 MiG-29

    these would not be aircrfts in the reserve, right?

    AMCXXL wrote:In 2009 , 10 squadrons and 125 MiG-31
    The planes stored in flying condition in Lipestk (40-50) have been used for modernization.
    Other 70 are in 514 ARZ used for parts, most older versions

    Again, doing the sum, it would be:

    125 MiG-31 active
    120 MiG-31 reserve

    For a total active of Fighters (FAS+FMR) and Fighter Interceptors of:

    125 MiG-31

    068 Su-35
    020 Su-33
    120 Su-30
    196-203 Su-27

    000 MiG-35
    116-118 MiG-29

    645-654 Total begin 2018.

    No, you cannot include airplanes grounded for 15-20 years that are only for parts or the way of being recicled.
    The MiG-31 of the first versions and SU-27S will not fly never again and will be scrapped or are being scrapped already

    The only reserve is in Lipestk , and most of 50 MiG-31 stored there already were modernized (mainly BSM) and replaced the MiG-31BS/DZ in the airbases in the two or tree past years.
    The 70 airplanes in 514 ARZ at Rzhev, the same of other ARZ are very old , some of them stripped and for canibalization and are decomissioned , the same that of other stored in the ARZ´s

    Particulary the airplanes of Krymsk were of the older of VVS and were abandoned there when the base closed.Are out of his useful life. The same happens with some junk thrown in a lot of air bases.
    The cotract for recicling the Su-27 of Krymsk was signed in 2014 or 2015 once the base reopened. In the satellite is posible to see aircraft that are disassembled for scrap. Of about 40 left behind there are already only 20 waiting their turn
    https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9595898,38.0004565,191m/data=!3m1!1e3

    The same in Besovets , etc... The contracts for recycle older MiG-31 of Yelizovo, Khotilovo, etc.. was also signed past years


    In  2018:
    122 Su-27 P/SM/UB
    +/-70 MiG-29
    135 MiG-31
    327 soviet made

    68 Su-35
    12 Su-27SM3
    100 Su-30SM
    20 Su-30M2 (despite are for instruction)
    50 MiG-29SMT/UBT
    23 MiG-29K
    20 Su-33
    293 russian made

    Total 620 (510 VVS and 110 in the Navy)

    This is about the same number since 2009 , that had about 600 in VVS and only 20 Su-33 in the Navy

    I understad if there is people that wants a count of only the "elite", I will not say you that this count of the "best" aircrfts is wrong. I can agree with it, knowing that additionally to this there are many real units, that allow as example to send recently 4 MiG-27 restored to Syria, ad that allow to see in 2017 15 engines of MiG-23 offered to auction.

    Also I understand that there is people that like to count future units that have not been still ordered. I prefer to stay still in the signed orders.

    In my case, I also like to see counted older but real units, that in many cases can return to fly with some maintenance (far lower than the cost of a new aircraft). Basically the years of scrapping of young aircrafts to please the US are finished. And in case of war, I mean strong war, most of them would be restored fast. It is a different approach, but also legit and fair.

    I was taking the numbers you commented to reach a result in line with a different way of counting, to reach a count without exclussions.

    I found the numbers you included about the Su-27 and the MiG-29, in line with my previous data only if all are units in active service (I would have 75 Su-27 and 237 MiG-29 more in the reserve). Unless serious accident, there is not a reason to say that a Su-27 or a MiG-29 can not be repaired, because these aircrafts are still in production and there is also a production of spare parts.

    And finally, I found the numbers you included about the MiG-31 in line with my previous data (125A 110-120R in your comment, 122A 115+R in my previous data). From your comment I counted since the begin those of Lipestk and the 514 ARZ as in the reserve.

    Sovietic production means not aircraft to scrappe. It is necessary to take into account that the early Su-27 and MiG-29 are of the age of the Tu-160, that no-one see as something to scrappe. Many of these Sovietic Su-27 and MiG-29 have still a future.
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:03 pm

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3021206.html

    - 35 DA42T twin prop trainers to be purchased for basic air training of Military Transport Aviation air crew
    - MoD interested in another 18 L-410UVP 19-seat STOL to be manufactured in Russia
    - also a updated version of the Israeli Searcher Mk2 assembled in Russia made completely with Russian parts to also be purchased. (There were ~ 30 Searchers complexes or Forpost in Russian purchased, each with Control, Recovery, Maintenance units along with 3 UAV's.)
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:32 pm

    with the last Su-34s delivered the 2017 program of fighter aircarfts delivery was completed

    2017 Deliveries Update

    Su-30SM: 17 (12 to VKS, 5 to Ru Navy)
    Su-35S: 10
    Su-34: 16

    Now for 2018 we expect:

    16xSu-30SM (8 for Navy and 8 for Air Force)
    10xSu-35S
    16xSu-34


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    Post  George1 on Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:04 am

    Deliveries of combat aircraft to the Armed Forces of Russia in 2017

    In 2017, the Russian aviation industry continued to maintain a very high rate of supply of new aircraft to the Armed Forces of Russia. At the same time, the total number of combat aircraft and combat training planes transferred under the State Defense Order to the Russian Air Force and the Russian Navy decreased, which is primarily due to the completion in 2016 of contracts for the supply of MiG-29SMT and MiG-29KR / CUBR fighters, fighters Su-30M2, as well as with a decrease in the supply of Yak-130 combat training aircraft. At the same time, the deliveries of the main modern combat aircraft Su-30SM, Su-34 and Su-35S were maintained at the already standard level.

    In total, according to known data, in 2017, the Armed Forces of Russia received 43 combat aircraft of new production (17 Su-30SM, 16 Su-34 and ten Su-35S) and six Yak-130 combat training planes.

    Deliveries of combat and training-combat aircraft of new production to the Armed Forces of Russia in 2008-2017


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  walle83 on Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:56 am

    George1 wrote:Deliveries of combat aircraft to the Armed Forces of Russia in 2017

     In 2017, the Russian aviation industry continued to maintain a very high rate of supply of new aircraft to the Armed Forces of Russia. At the same time, the total number of combat aircraft and combat training planes transferred under the State Defense Order to the Russian Air Force and the Russian Navy decreased, which is primarily due to the completion in 2016 of contracts for the supply of MiG-29SMT and MiG-29KR / CUBR fighters, fighters Su-30M2, as well as with a decrease in the supply of Yak-130 combat training aircraft. At the same time, the deliveries of the main modern combat aircraft Su-30SM, Su-34 and Su-35S were maintained at the already standard level.

     In total, according to known data, in 2017, the Armed Forces of Russia received 43 combat aircraft of new production (17 Su-30SM, 16 Su-34 and ten Su-35S) and six Yak-130 combat training planes.

    Deliveries of combat and training-combat aircraft of new production to the Armed Forces of Russia in 2008-2017


    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3036294.html

    I doubt 24 Su-35s was deliverd in 2014.
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  AMCXXL on Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:22 pm

    walle83 wrote:
    George1 wrote:Deliveries of combat aircraft to the Armed Forces of Russia in 2017

     In 2017, the Russian aviation industry continued to maintain a very high rate of supply of new aircraft to the Armed Forces of Russia. At the same time, the total number of combat aircraft and combat training planes transferred under the State Defense Order to the Russian Air Force and the Russian Navy decreased, which is primarily due to the completion in 2016 of contracts for the supply of MiG-29SMT and MiG-29KR / CUBR fighters, fighters Su-30M2, as well as with a decrease in the supply of Yak-130 combat training aircraft. At the same time, the deliveries of the main modern combat aircraft Su-30SM, Su-34 and Su-35S were maintained at the already standard level.

     In total, according to known data, in 2017, the Armed Forces of Russia received 43 combat aircraft of new production (17 Su-30SM, 16 Su-34 and ten Su-35S) and six Yak-130 combat training planes.

    Deliveries of combat and training-combat aircraft of new production to the Armed Forces of Russia in 2008-2017


    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3036294.html

    I doubt 24 Su-35s was deliverd in 2014.

    Of course, 12 in 2013 and 12 in 2014.
    The production of Su-35S for Russia has been:
    2 in 2011
    8 in 2012
    12 in 2013
    12 in 2014
    14 in 2015
    10 in 2016 (+ 4 for China)
    10 in 2017 (+ 10 for China)
    and in 2018 is projected 10 for Russia (+ 10 for Chna)

    The ceremony of arriving to 23 IAP pf the 12 Su-35 produced and handed over in 2013, was on february of 2014, but the airplanes was made and have the first fligth in 2013
    The table is mistaken because takes the planes sometimes for the year in which it corresponds to its manufacture / first flight and other times the following year when the news comes out in the press, since many aircraft delivered to the air force in December travel to their regiments in the first weeks of next year
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  eehnie on Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:12 pm

    franco wrote:https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3021206.html

    - 35 DA42T twin prop trainers to be purchased for basic air training of Military Transport Aviation air crew
    - MoD interested in another 18 L-410UVP 19-seat STOL to be manufactured in Russia
    - also a updated version of the Israeli Searcher Mk2 assembled in Russia made completely with Russian parts to also be purchased. (There were ~ 30 Searchers complexes or Forpost in Russian purchased, each with Control, Recovery, Maintenance units along with 3 UAV's.)    

    This is intereting. It refers to some of the weakest contracts of air equipment, and all have the same factory involved.

    The L-410 and the Diamond DA42 are both small auxiliary aircrafts of foreign orignin and low technological level, that make not a difference in the defense of Russia. The Diamond DA42 has still to pass some tests in 2018, where can have some problems, and likely the L-410 will require some tests too. The UAV includes a little more advanced technology, but at this point is surpassed.

    The three are fairly dispensable for Russia. I do not expect these contracts to be completed.

    If there is budget for these contracts with this factory, it is obvious that the problem would be with the products to produce in the factory. Very likely this factory needs a new strong product to make. Maybe some of the most modern UAVs.
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:44 am

    A western view of how the Russian Air Force develops over the next Arms Procurement period.

    https://russiamil.wordpress.com/2018/01/24/russian-air-force-procurement-plans-2/
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  Manov on Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:27 pm

    Was him that guy that said the Su-57 would enter in service by 2027?

    He is clearly an antirussian, but kind of moderate considering the hostile climate.

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