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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:03 pm

    2017 Deliveries Update

    Su-30SM: 13 (8 to VKS, 5 to Ru Navy)
    Su-35S: 0
    Su-34: 8


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:58 pm

    George1 wrote:2017 Deliveries Update

    Su-30SM: 13 (8 to VKS, 5 to Ru Navy)
    Su-35S: 0
    Su-34: 8

    According to this article, the first new Su-35S's this year are expected at Besovets shortly;

    http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12147873@egNews
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:11 pm

    franco wrote:
    George1 wrote:2017 Deliveries Update

    Su-30SM: 13 (8 to VKS, 5 to Ru Navy)
    Su-35S: 0
    Su-34: 8

    According to this article, the first new Su-35S's this year are expected at Besovets shortly;

    http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12147873@egNews

    And here they are

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/99470/
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:17 pm

    Aircraft for the next GPV + until 2030

    2 regiments of Tu-160M2 on 2 two squadrons = total 48
    8 regiments of Su-57 on 3 squadrons = total 288
    6 regiments of Su-35S on 3 squadrons = total
    10 regiments Su-30SM on 3 squadrons = total 360
    4 regiment MiG-35 on 3 squadrons = total 144
    8 regiments of Su-34 on 3 squadrons = total 288
    4 regiments of advanced heavy interceptors on 2 squadrons = total 96
    4 regiment MiG-31BMM on 2 squadrons = total 96
    6 regiments of Su-25SM4 on 2 squadrons = total 144

    200-240 The UAV of the Hunter
    1000-1200 UAV "Orion-E"
    300-360 UAV "Altair-M" or Orion-2
    100-160 DBFPA Orion-3
    1000 UAV-convertoplanes up to 1 ton of take-off from "Kronstadt"

    https://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/2084859.html


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:41 am

    George1 wrote:Aircraft for the next GPV + until 2030

    2 regiments of Tu-160M2 on 2 two squadrons = total 48
    8 regiments of Su-57 on 3 squadrons = total 288
    6 regiments of Su-35S on 3 squadrons = total
    10 regiments Su-30SM on 3 squadrons = total 360
    4 regiment MiG-35 on 3 squadrons = total 144
    8 regiments of Su-34 on 3 squadrons = total 288
    4 regiments of advanced heavy interceptors on 2 squadrons = total 96
    4 regiment MiG-31BMM on 2 squadrons = total 96
    6 regiments of Su-25SM4 on 2 squadrons = total 144

       200-240 The UAV of the Hunter
       1000-1200 UAV "Orion-E"
       300-360 UAV "Altair-M" or Orion-2
       100-160 DBFPA Orion-3
       1000 UAV-convertoplanes up to 1 ton of take-off from "Kronstadt"

    https://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/2084859.html

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:51 am

    George1 wrote:Aircraft for the next GPV + until 2030

    2 regiments of Tu-160M2 on 2 two squadrons = total 48
    8 regiments of Su-57 on 3 squadrons = total 288
    6 regiments of Su-35S on 3 squadrons = total
    10 regiments Su-30SM on 3 squadrons = total 360
    4 regiment MiG-35 on 3 squadrons = total 144
    8 regiments of Su-34 on 3 squadrons = total 288
    4 regiments of advanced heavy interceptors on 2 squadrons = total 96
    4 regiment MiG-31BMM on 2 squadrons = total 96
    6 regiments of Su-25SM4 on 2 squadrons = total 144

       200-240 The UAV of the Hunter
       1000-1200 UAV "Orion-E"
       300-360 UAV "Altair-M" or Orion-2
       100-160 DBFPA Orion-3
       1000 UAV-convertoplanes up to 1 ton of take-off from "Kronstadt"

    https://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/2084859.html


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  AMCXXL on Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:27 am

    George1 wrote:Aircraft for the next GPV + until 2030

    2 regiments of Tu-160M2 on 2 two squadrons = total 48
    8 regiments of Su-57 on 3 squadrons = total 288
    6 regiments of Su-35S on 3 squadrons = total
    10 regiments Su-30SM on 3 squadrons = total 360
    4 regiment MiG-35 on 3 squadrons = total 144
    8 regiments of Su-34 on 3 squadrons = total 288
    4 regiments of advanced heavy interceptors on 2 squadrons = total 96
    4 regiment MiG-31BMM on 2 squadrons = total 96
    6 regiments of Su-25SM4 on 2 squadrons = total 144

       200-240 The UAV of the Hunter
       1000-1200 UAV "Orion-E"
       300-360 UAV "Altair-M" or Orion-2
       100-160 DBFPA Orion-3
       1000 UAV-convertoplanes up to 1 ton of take-off from "Kronstadt"

    https://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/2084859.html

    Then ... the USSR returns ???? lol!

    First, the current 2015-2020 reform will leave 2 squadron regiments, and to restore some regiments unfolding the ones that now have 2 different types of aircraft (Vladivostok, Khotilovo, Monchegorsk ..)

    The number of regiments can be similar in some cases if you count the Navy , but in ther cases is ridiculous.
    Also , the avanced interceptors (Mig-41 ?) replace the MiG-31 for starting 2028-2030
    MiG-35 is not for the RuAF , perhaps the squadron of Armenia , other for display in Kubinka and other for combat training in Astrakhan or Kushchevskaya. One regment of MiG-35 replacing MiG-29SMT could be possible but unlikely.


    By 2025 will have:

    2 Su-57 regiments  (expecting for 2 more before 2030)
    6 Su-35 regiments  (expecting for 2 more before 2030 for the Navy , replacing  Su-27 of Kaliningrad and the Su-33)
    2 Regiments of "soviet flankers" in the Navy (kaliningrad and the Su-33 regiment) 
    7-8 Su-30SM regiments (3-4 VVS and 4 for the Navy , one each fleet)
    1 regiment ? and one sq.(Yerevan) of MiG-35 (as much)
    1 regiment of MiG-29K in the Navy (proably completed until 24+4)
    4 regíments of MiG-31 in the VVS and 2 sqdn/reg, in the Navy

    7 regiments + 1sqdn.(Crimea) of Su-34
    5 regiments + 2sqdn (Crimea and Kant) of Su-25SM/SM3

    1 regiment of Tu-160 (1 sqdn. of new Tu-160M2 and other modernized of Tu-160M-1) and starting a second regiment of Tu-160M2 to complete in 2030
    Expecting for PaK-DA for replace the Tu-22M3
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:54 pm

    2017 Deliveries Update

    Su-30SM: 15 (10 to VKS, 5 to Ru Navy)
    Su-35S: 6
    Su-34: 8


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  eehnie on Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:51 am

    George1 wrote:2017 Deliveries Update

    Su-30SM: 15 (10 to VKS, 5 to Ru Navy)
    Su-35S: 6
    Su-34: 8

    is meaning the procurement of these new aircrafts the movement to the reserve of older aircrafts? or are for new regiments/squadrons?
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:08 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    George1 wrote:2017 Deliveries Update

    Su-30SM: 15 (10 to VKS, 5 to Ru Navy)
    Su-35S: 6
    Su-34: 8

    is meaning the procurement of these new aircrafts the movement to the reserve of older aircrafts? or are for new regiments/squadrons?

    -30SM VKS replacing Mig-29SMT
    -30SM Navy replacing Su-24M
    -35S replacing Su-27P
    -34 replacing Su-24M

    All from old units.
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  AMCXXL on Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:38 am

    franco wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    George1 wrote:2017 Deliveries Update

    Su-30SM: 15 (10 to VKS, 5 to Ru Navy)
    Su-35S: 6
    Su-34: 8

    is meaning the procurement of these new aircrafts the movement to the reserve of older aircrafts? or are for new regiments/squadrons?

    -30SM VKS replacing Mig-29SMT
    -30SM Navy replacing Su-24M
    -35S replacing Su-27P
    -34 replacing Su-24M

    All from old units.


    Well , that's the general idea, but it's not entirely true that all planes replace old planes.
    New squadrons and regiments are also being created

    For example, this year a squadron is created at Kursk with Su-30SM , and the next will have a regiment. 
    It is not clear that Mig-29SMT will be withdrawn if they are destined to another base and a new regiment is opened
    In the Navy , the Su-30SM are for a new squadron thet will be completed in 2018
    The Su-24M are not still retired , in theory the 4 OMShAP of Chernyakhovsk will be restored with one Su-30SM and one Su-24M squadrons
    In the same way , the squadron of Su-30SM received last years in Saki is for restore the 43 OMShAP , 1 sq, SU-30SM and other Su-24M
    in long term , the Su-24 squadrons of Navy will be replaced for Su-30SM , but not 1:1 , the total force is slowly increasing , for the moment 2 new squadrons.


    About Su-35, will replace the SU-27S/P and later also the Su-27SM
    For the moment, the 3 sq. of Su-35S deployed in the East ,they have allowed to bring to the West 3 squadrons of Su-27SM, open a new base in Belbek , and probably other squadron of Su-27P will be transfer to Kaliningrad for restore the 689 IAP once Chkalovsk is reopened.
    The Su-35 for Besovets allows to remove the older Su-27S
    The number of squadrons Su-27/35 in the West part has raised form 6 in to 8 , and should get 10 before 2020

    In the case of Su-34 , will remove all Su-24M / M2 / MR once the additional systems are mounted, probably in the new Su-34M versión
    The number of regiments will increase, for example in the southern district there was a regiment of SU-24M (3sq) and a MR squadron
    After receiving 3 sq. of Su-34, in addition to Sq. MR there are now two new squadrons of Su-24M (Crimea and Marinovka) that will be replaced later by Su-34M?
    Then the force of tactical bombers squadrons in the South district has increased form 3 to 5
    Also , probably this year will be formed other squadron of Su-34 in the West part, once are received the other 8 Su-34 and with the 16 Su-34 of 2018 , other complete regiment
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  Luq man on Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:36 pm

    How many Su-24 (all variants) are there still to be replaced?
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  eehnie on Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:58 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:
    franco wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    George1 wrote:2017 Deliveries Update

    Su-30SM: 15 (10 to VKS, 5 to Ru Navy)
    Su-35S: 6
    Su-34: 8

    is meaning the procurement of these new aircrafts the movement to the reserve of older aircrafts? or are for new regiments/squadrons?

    -30SM VKS replacing Mig-29SMT
    -30SM Navy replacing Su-24M
    -35S replacing Su-27P
    -34 replacing Su-24M

    All from old units.


    Well , that's the general idea, but it's not entirely true that all planes replace old planes.
    New squadrons and regiments are also being created

    For example, this year a squadron is created at Kursk with Su-30SM , and the next will have a regiment. 
    It is not clear that Mig-29SMT will be withdrawn if they are destined to another base and a new regiment is opened
    In the Navy , the Su-30SM are for a new squadron thet will be completed in 2018
    The Su-24M are not still retired , in theory the 4 OMShAP of Chernyakhovsk will be restored with one Su-30SM and one Su-24M squadrons
    In the same way , the squadron of Su-30SM received last years in Saki is for restore the 43 OMShAP , 1 sq, SU-30SM and other Su-24M
    in long term , the Su-24 squadrons of Navy will be replaced for Su-30SM , but not 1:1 , the total force is slowly increasing , for the moment 2 new squadrons.


    About Su-35, will replace the SU-27S/P and later also the Su-27SM
    For the moment, the 3 sq. of Su-35S deployed in the East ,they have allowed to bring to the West 3 squadrons of Su-27SM, open a new base in Belbek , and probably other squadron of Su-27P will be transfer to Kaliningrad for restore the 689 IAP once Chkalovsk is reopened.
    The Su-35 for Besovets allows to remove the older Su-27S
    The number of squadrons Su-27/35 in the West part has raised form 6 in to 8 , and should get 10 before 2020

    In the case of Su-34 , will remove all Su-24M / M2 / MR once the additional systems are mounted, probably in the new Su-34M versión
    The number of regiments will increase, for example in the southern district there was a regiment of SU-24M (3sq) and a MR squadron
    After receiving 3 sq. of Su-34, in addition to Sq. MR there are now two new squadrons of Su-24M (Crimea and Marinovka) that will be replaced later by Su-34M?
    Then the force of tactical bombers squadrons in the South district has increased form 3 to 5
    Also , probably this year will be formed other squadron of Su-34 in the West part, once are received the other 8 Su-34 and with the 16 Su-34 of 2018 , other complete regiment

    Thanks to both.

    It would be interesting to know exactly the numerical changes in the active fleet between the begin and the end of 2017.
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    Post  Isos on Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:04 pm

    Luq man wrote:How many Su-24 (all variants) are there still to be replaced?

    They should upgrade all of them and keep them so that they have newer technology (Su-34) combined with the big numbers of Su-24.
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    Post  AMCXXL on Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:54 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Luq man wrote:How many Su-24 (all variants) are there still to be replaced?

    They should upgrade all of them and keep them so that they have newer technology (Su-34) combined with the big numbers of Su-24.

    Nowadays there are the next forcé of tactical bombers:

    Su-34: 8 squadrons: Lipestk (1) , Voronezh (2) , Morozovsk (3) , and Khurba (2) . Other 2 to be created this year and the next , could be for remove the Shatalovo squadron into new Su-34 regiment
    Su-24M: 4 squadrons , with SVP-24; Cheyabisnk (2) , Marinovka (1) and Gvardeyskoye (1)
    Su-24MR: 4 squadrons: Varfoloneyevka , Chelyabisnk , Marinovka and Shatalovo

    ABout the Navy , remaining 4 squadrons of Su-24M/MR, , to be replaced by Su-30SM in the next 5 years


    Thanks to both.

    It would be interesting to know exactly the numerical changes in the active fleet between the begin and the end of 2017.

    Not much
    Probably this years the number is the lower , because there are many planes retired in last years, mainly Su-27S/P and Mig-29S of the West side
    There are more of 500 figthers in the VVS and more of 100 in the Navy , about 620 in total
    The number of frontal aviation (Su-34 , Su-24  Su-25) is about 400 in the VVS and 55 in the Navy
    In the next years the number shoud increase slowly but contuniously from 2018 to 2025 ,  in the Navy where the 50 Su-24 will be replaced with Su-30SM
    In the VVS , the main increment will be for the Su-57 after 2020

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    Post  walle83 on Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:55 am

    George1 wrote:2017 Deliveries Update

    Su-30SM: 15 (10 to VKS, 5 to Ru Navy)
    Su-35S: 6
    Su-34: 8

    No yak-130 deliverd yet?
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    Post  George1 on Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:54 pm

    walle83 wrote:
    George1 wrote:2017 Deliveries Update

    Su-30SM: 15 (10 to VKS, 5 to Ru Navy)
    Su-35S: 6
    Su-34: 8

    No yak-130 deliverd yet?

    they have, but i dont count them


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    Post  AMCXXL on Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:55 am

    walle83 wrote:
    George1 wrote:2017 Deliveries Update

    Su-30SM: 15 (10 to VKS, 5 to Ru Navy)
    Su-35S: 6
    Su-34: 8

    No yak-130 deliverd yet?

    The list is of combat airplanes , Yak-130 is a trainer for pilots schools
    Yes , first tree were handed over Nº 50 , 100 and 01
    Later at least tree Nº 02 , Nº03 and Nº04 but ot os no clear when because seems not were published in the media
    The total expected for this year are 10

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    Post  walle83 on Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:54 am

    AMCXXL wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    George1 wrote:2017 Deliveries Update

    Su-30SM: 15 (10 to VKS, 5 to Ru Navy)
    Su-35S: 6
    Su-34: 8

    No yak-130 deliverd yet?

    The list is of combat airplanes , Yak-130 is a trainer for pilots schools
    Yes , first tree were handed over Nº 50 , 100 and 01
    Later at least tree Nº 02 , Nº03 and Nº04 but ot os no clear when because seems not were published in the media
    The total expected for this year are 10

    Isnt the Yak-130 supose to be a light attack aircraft as well? Acourding to wikipedia sources the plane has 9 hardpoint and can carry a combat load of 3000 kg.
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    Post  AMCXXL on Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:17 am

    walle83 wrote:
    AMCXXL wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    George1 wrote:2017 Deliveries Update

    Su-30SM: 15 (10 to VKS, 5 to Ru Navy)
    Su-35S: 6
    Su-34: 8

    No yak-130 deliverd yet?

    The list is of combat airplanes , Yak-130 is a trainer for pilots schools
    Yes , first tree were handed over Nº 50 , 100 and 01
    Later at least tree Nº 02 , Nº03 and Nº04 but ot os no clear when because seems not were published in the media
    The total expected for this year are 10

    Isnt the Yak-130 supose to be a light attack aircraft as well? Acourding to wikipedia sources the plane has 9 hardpoint and can carry a combat load of 3000 kg.

    Yak-130 is a trainer (for learning) in the Russian Air Force , destined to the Flying Schools
    The prototypes have been equipped with armament , as logical , for show the capabilities to posible foreing customers
    The Yak-130 is capable for be a ligth attack/assault aircraft ( CAS= close air support) if  a country contract the planes prepared for that role
    Probably a good option for smaller Air Forces

    About Wikipedia, better not pay much attention to the amount of nonsense that people write there
    I myself have started writing in wikipedia to correct some of the things and big mistakes and lies that are written in the version of my country
    For example the stupidity of the supposed versions of the Yak-130 (yak-130 , 131, 132, 133 ...)
    These numbers are simply the tail numbers of the prototypes , and all of this are capable to all variaants when have been prepared for be a demonstrator in the AirShows
    Probably this nonsense had been copied from an article of a incompetent journalist written in any of those unspeakable magazines of airplanes full of fantasies and propaganda of the military industry

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