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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  ult on Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:01 am

    franco wrote:
    Pretty sure of that 58 30SM figure.

    No, you've missed something. There are 68 Su-30SM, and 4 of them are for the Kazakhs.

    http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/5040-su-30-istoriya-serii/

    Looking at the serial numbers:
    1001-1020
    1101-1120
    1201-1220
    1301-1308
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:02 am

    ult wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Pretty sure of that 58 30SM figure.

    No, you've missed something. There are 68 Su-30SM, and 4 of them are for the Kazakhs.

    http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/5040-su-30-istoriya-serii/

    Looking at the serial numbers:
    1001-1020
    1101-1120
    1201-1220
    1301-1308

    Thanks for that link.
    The 4 30SM's for the Kazakhs wouldn't count to the Russians, so the Russian Air Forces would have 64 for the sake of our argument here.

    According to this link on the 30M2's there would be;
    Uglovaya - 4
    Dzemgi - 4
    Krymsk - 6+3 just delivered
    Belbek - 3

    Plus they are building 2 more without a contract yet.
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  medo on Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:53 pm

    franco wrote:
    ult wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Pretty sure of that 58 30SM figure.

    No, you've missed something. There are 68 Su-30SM, and 4 of them are for the Kazakhs.

    http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/5040-su-30-istoriya-serii/

    Looking at the serial numbers:
    1001-1020
    1101-1120
    1201-1220
    1301-1308

    Thanks for that link.
    The 4 30SM's for the Kazakhs wouldn't count to the Russians, so the Russian Air Forces would have 64 for the sake of our argument here.

    According to this link on the 30M2's there would be;
    Uglovaya - 4
    Dzemgi - 4
    Krymsk - 6+3 just delivered
    Belbek - 3

    Plus they are building 2 more without a contract yet.

    I think Su-30M2 from Far East will go to European part together with Su-27SM, which are getting replaced by Su-35S there. From the numbers it seem that in Krymska they will form a squadron of Su-30M2 to form a regiment with a squadron of new build Su-27SM3, other regiments will have 4 Su-30M2 working as twin seaters with full regiments of Su-27SMs. Most probably regiment in Belbek will have 24 Su-27SM and 4 Su-30M2. Where another regiment of Su-27SM will be relocated, we will see. Most probably they will build additional Su-30M2 for additional three squadrons of Su-27SM3, which will be modernized in coming years. Considering, they will form three squadrons, they will need to build 6 additional Su-30M2 for trainers (2 per squadron).
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:24 pm

    franco do we have any mor info on MiG-29SMTs? Question

    At the end of previous year 5 delivered according to various sources. That means that 5 will also delivere din 2016? Are there any aircrafts produced in 2015 and now on testing?


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:04 am

    George1 wrote:franco do we have any mor info on MiG-29SMTs? Question

    At the end of previous year 5 delivered according to various sources. That means that 5 will also delivere din 2016? Are there any aircrafts produced in 2015 and now on testing?

    Certainly some questions here. The original story was for 8 delivered in 2015 and 8 in 2016. Back in the summer I reported about 2 -29UBM's undergoing flight testing with the first batch of -31BM's last year and then there were 2 more with the second batch of -31's in November or December.
    I believe these are actually 4 -29UBT's and with 4 29SMT's make 8 completed. They are being used to train the air crews so when the next 8 -29SMT's show up in the summer they can deploy to Armenia where with the modernized 14 Mig-29S's they will form a new regiment... time tells.
    And to what degree the 29S's were modernized not sure, but obviously not SMT or they would be announcing such.
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:34 am

    "I think Su-30M2 from Far East will go to European part together with Su-27SM, which are getting replaced by Su-35S there. From the numbers it seem that in Krymska they will form a squadron of Su-30M2 to form a regiment with a squadron of new build Su-27SM3, other regiments will have 4 Su-30M2 working as twin seaters with full regiments of Su-27SMs. Most probably regiment in Belbek will have 24 Su-27SM and 4 Su-30M2. Where another regiment of Su-27SM will be relocated, we will see. Most probably they will build additional Su-30M2 for additional three squadrons of Su-27SM3, which will be modernized in coming years. Considering, they will form three squadrons, they will need to build 6 additional Su-30M2 for trainers (2 per squadron)."


    I agree the 27SM's will all be in the West and especially needed to cover off for the 27P's as they are upgraded to 27SM3.
    It has already been mentioned that there will be a regiment of 27SM3's (24) in Belbek and another in Belarus.

    In 2016, there is planned to equip;
    Millerovo - 24 Su-30SM's (20 already)
    Uglovaya - 12 30SM's & 12 Su-35S's (6 already, aircraft already made just not all on site yet)
    Erebuni - 16 Mig-29SMT/UBT's

    GOING FORWARD

    Besovets - announced next with 24 Su-35S's

    This leaves 40 Su-30SM's (maybe more), 26 Su-35S's and 30+ Mig-35's to stock Krymsk (24 35S's?), Khotilovo (24 30SM's?), Monchegorsk (12 30SM's?) and Chkalovsk (24 Mig-35?)

    The 50 reported Su-30SM's for Naval Aviation probably Novofedorivka (24 - 8 already) and Chernyakhovsk (24)

    This with the upgraded 110+ Mig-31BM's giving modernized fighters (MRCA) at all present fighter units / airbases plus Belarus. Suspect a squadron (12) of 27SM's to be in Kant? One (12) spread around training/test units and perhaps the other 2 (24) at Astrakhan?

    Still a lot of question marks but a clearer image is developing. Again time tells and there still is the T-50 to come into play.
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  medo on Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:08 pm

    I think Russian NAVY also plan to install Su-30SM in Kamchatka.
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  Isos on Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:51 pm

    Why did they bought Su 30 M2 ?? Isn't it older and less capable than SM ?
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:03 pm

    Isos wrote:Why did they bought Su 30 M2 ?? Isn't it older and less capable than SM ?

    As a combat trainer for the Su-27SM/SM3 and Su-35S. The Su-27UB's were not considered worthy of being modernized (except for 1 or 2 UBM's) and the 35S was only built in a single seat model.
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  mack8 on Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:33 pm

    Interesting article including an assessment of VKS and VMF 2020:
    http://www.globalaffairs.ru/global-processes/Poligon-buduschego-17997
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:20 pm

    mack8 wrote:Interesting article including an assessment of VKS and VMF 2020:
    http://www.globalaffairs.ru/global-processes/Poligon-buduschego-17997

    Good find. Maybe a little optimist on the older planes ie 27's and 24's still operating IMO.
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  medo on Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:49 pm

    mack8 wrote:Interesting article including an assessment of VKS and VMF 2020:
    http://www.globalaffairs.ru/global-processes/Poligon-buduschego-17997

    Interesting. Only strange thing is 24 Su-30M2 delivered and some say 2 are more in production. Something we do not know? Additional 6 would be logical for additional 3 Su-27SM3 squadrons. It seems they keep some orders in secret.
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:53 pm

    medo wrote:
    mack8 wrote:Interesting article including an assessment of VKS and VMF 2020:
    http://www.globalaffairs.ru/global-processes/Poligon-buduschego-17997

    Interesting. Only strange thing is 24 Su-30M2 delivered and some say 2 are more in production. Something we do not know? Additional 6 would be logical for additional 3 Su-27SM3 squadrons. It seems they keep some orders in secret.

    He says 20 ordered and then 24 delivered. There are only 20 delivered and as far as I know ordered... damn civilians, damn media Rolling Eyes
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:27 am

    franco wrote:
    medo wrote:
    mack8 wrote:Interesting article including an assessment of VKS and VMF 2020:
    http://www.globalaffairs.ru/global-processes/Poligon-buduschego-17997

    Interesting. Only strange thing is 24 Su-30M2 delivered and some say 2 are more in production. Something we do not know? Additional 6 would be logical for additional 3 Su-27SM3 squadrons. It seems they keep some orders in secret.

    He says 20 ordered and then 24 delivered. There are only 20 delivered and as far as I know ordered... damn civilians, damn media  Rolling Eyes

    numbers of that pages seem to have some minor but obvious mistakes. 129 Su-34 from 124?? and 98 Su-35S ordered from 96? i dont think its accurate. I trust more UAC's 2015 public results


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  Dorfmeister on Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:06 am

    George1 wrote:(...)and 98 Su-35S ordered from 96? i dont think its accurate. I trust more UAC's 2015 public results

    First batch of Su-35S: 48 aircrafts and second batch ordered is for 50 aircrafts. So he must be right on this one. But I do agree with you about the Su-34: 32+92 = 124 Wink
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:16 am

    Millerovo airfield

    According to the snapshot on March 9, 2016 at the airport Millerovo were 20 Su-30SM, three planes "like" Su-27/30 "(according to the author of this article, this aircraft from the third mixed air regiment of the same 1th Composite air division airfield Krymsk) and 34 MiG-29, the latter continued to be used. Almost the same part of the aviation group in Millerovo, according to the publication, there was there on the satellite photo taken April 5, 2016 (the article will not be published) only the number of MiG-29 was reduced to 32 - and the MiG-29 also continued to fly (in a picture from October 17th 2015, the number of MiG-29 in Millerovo was 36).



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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:34 pm

    The problem with counting aircraft in satellite photos is that the Russians like to use decoys and also because some satellite images are made up of smaller photos and to compensate for cloud cover they sometimes use photos taken at different times to fill in gaps so you don't know if an area of photos were taken at the same time...


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  sputnik on Thu Apr 07, 2016 1:31 pm

    i wander is it possible those three to be su35 for the third squadron

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  eridan on Thu Apr 07, 2016 2:18 pm

    GarryB wrote:The problem with counting aircraft in satellite photos is that the Russians like to use decoys and also because some satellite images are made up of smaller photos and to compensate for cloud cover they sometimes use photos taken at different times to fill in gaps so you don't know if an area of photos were taken at the same time...

    Above is wishful thinking and not plausible. There are around 150 non russian, high quality optical imaging satellites operating around the world right now. Revisit time of such a fleet would be less than 45 mins, 365 days a year. There's no way of knowing when a certain sat would be leased by someone to take image of a location.

    Moving multiple full sized decoys around would require so many additional personnel that it's simply not applicable in peacetime.

    Photos of airbases are also not regularly stitched together in an iconspicous way but are sometimes, rarely, made out of more images for public use such as Google earth and when that happens - GE tells you date of each part of the image.

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:57 am

    franco we had 75 su-34 delivered at the end of 2015. No after last deliveries we have 81??


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:57 pm

    George1 wrote:franco we had 75 su-34 delivered at the end of 2015. No after last deliveries we have 81??

    Not sure if the 2 delivered the end of January count against the 75 or not... so 79 or 81. We will soon know.
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  eehnie on Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:17 pm


    Someone knows when was delivered the last order of Su-25/39 for the Russian Armed Forces?

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:15 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    Someone knows when was delivered the last order of Su-25/39 for the Russian Armed Forces?


    There are no Su-39's and about 80 modernized Su-25SM's over the last decade. Su-25SM3's are due to start arriving this year.
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  eehnie on Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:25 pm

    franco wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    Someone knows when was delivered the last order of Su-25/39 for the Russian Armed Forces?


    There are no Su-39's and about 80 modernized Su-25SM's over the last decade. Su-25SM3's are due to start arriving this year.

    Thank you very much. My main doubt comes because I do not know exactly if all these units of new versions are previous units updated or if there is some new unit produced. I would like to know the year of delivery of the last new units produced.
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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:14 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    franco wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    Someone knows when was delivered the last order of Su-25/39 for the Russian Armed Forces?


    There are no Su-39's and about 80 modernized Su-25SM's over the last decade. Su-25SM3's are due to start arriving this year.

    Thank you very much. My main doubt comes because I do not know exactly if all these units of new versions are previous units updated or if there is some new unit produced. I would like to know the year of delivery of the last new units produced.

    They are all upgrades. Last new ones would be at least 20 years ago.

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