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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:50 pm

    Still 70+ Ka-52's on order plus the 32 Ka-52K's and then however many Mi-28NM's get ordered.

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:59 am

    Franco

    These figures don't match yours!!!

    http://sdelanounas.ru/i/c/z/a/f_czAzLnJhZGlrYWwucnUvaTE3Ni8xNjAxLzMzLzg5ZTUzNTkzNzFjZi5qcGc_X19pZD03MzI2OQ==.jpeg

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:06 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Franco

    These figures don't match yours!!!

    http://sdelanounas.ru/i/c/z/a/f_czAzLnJhZGlrYWwucnUvaTE3Ni8xNjAxLzMzLzg5ZTUzNTkzNzFjZi5qcGc_X19pZD03MzI2OQ==.jpeg

    thumbsup

    There are lot's of numbers out there and I never claim to be 100% HOWEVER I'm comfortable with what I put out there. Part of my cross checking involves actual units so if there are 4 Ka-52 squadrons active with 16 (3) or 12 (1) aircraft where is the 90 aircraft. This guy also doesn't appear to reduce by the lost aircraft to crashes.

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:17 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Franco

    These figures don't match yours!!!

    http://sdelanounas.ru/i/c/z/a/f_czAzLnJhZGlrYWwucnUvaTE3Ni8xNjAxLzMzLzg5ZTUzNTkzNzFjZi5qcGc_X19pZD03MzI2OQ==.jpeg

    these numbers are the total helicopters new delivered in Russian Air Force??


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  ult on Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:00 pm

    Yeah, those numbers in the graph are much more close to reality than 60 Ka-52's...


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:00 pm

    I think that is much closer to the reality. I was also remembering something above 100 Mi-28N in service.

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:05 pm

    Werewolf wrote:I think that is much closer to the reality. I was also remembering something above 100 Mi-28N in service.

    There were 2 orders of 32 + 65 totaling 97 Mi-28N's of which 3 were lost in accidents. There is a present order for 12 or so Mi-28UB trainers for which the first confirmation of them arriving in 2016 was in today's TASS. The upgraded Mi-28NM is supposed to finish testing and trials this year. Then more orders will follow I'm sure.

    As for the KA-52, said my piece. The Mi-26T's and Mi-8's look correct, but I disagree with the Ansat and Ka-226T totals... too high.



    On Thursday the press service of the Southern Military District. "In accordance with the plan of re-equipment of the Southern Military District (SMD) in 2016 will continue to act in the military units of the 4th Army Air Force and air defense and naval aviation of the Black Sea fleet of new and upgraded aircraft models. This year, pilots County await the arrival with the manufacturers of the country more than 20 multi-role Su-30SM and five upgraded Su-25SM attack aircraft ", - said the press service. In addition, the park will join the army aviation for more than 30 helicopters - Ka-52, training and combat Mi-28UB, multi-purpose transport Mi-26T, as well as special Mi-8AMTSh, Mi-8MTV5, Mi-8MTPR. Last year, in the framework of the state defense order to the troops County received more than 60 units new and modernized samples of military, transport and attack aircraft. Also, before it became known that the aircrew YUVO already started first in this year's scheduled flights within the framework of retraining on the Su-30SM.

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:09 am

    Here an article for 2015 deliveries


    В этом году подсчёт несколько усложнён меньшим количеством информации: доподлинно можно говорить о поставках 18 многофункциональных истребителей Су-30СМ, 4 Су-30М2 (по планам 5, возможно открытая информация неполная), 18 фронтовых бомбардировщиков Су-34 (2 сверх плана), не менее 6 Су-35 (хотя по плану их было 14, возможно, что о передачи части из них официальной информации не появлялась), не менее 6 лёгких истребителей МиГ-29СМТ (Р)/УБ (Р) (возможно Cool, 12 учебно-боевых истребителей Як-130, 1 военно-транспортный самолёт Ил-76МД-90А, 1 Ан-148−100Е (возможно 2).

    Подробности: http://regnum.ru/news/polit/2050034.html Любое использование материалов допускается только при наличии гиперссылки на ИА REGNUM.

    It seems the 4xSu-30M2s have been delivered. We still waiting the remaining 8xSu-35S and 10xSu-30SM


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:31 pm

    So 12 more Su-30SM delivered in Jan-Feb 2016

    So we expect at the end of this year, 4 remaining Su-30SM for Air Force and 12 for the Navy


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  ult on Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:50 pm

    George1 wrote:So 12 more Su-30SM delivered in Jan-Feb 2016

    So we expect at the end of this year, 4 remaining Su-30SM for Air Force and 12 for the Navy

    Wait, those are from the last year. This year we expect another ~30 Su-30SM.

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:04 am

    ult wrote:
    George1 wrote:So 12 more Su-30SM delivered in Jan-Feb 2016

    So we expect at the end of this year, 4 remaining Su-30SM for Air Force and 12 for the Navy

    Wait, those are from the last year. This year we expect another ~30 Su-30SM.

    Yes that were of 2015 production, but the numbers we expect in 2014 are 4 and 12 respectively.

    There are 2 contracts for Air Force of 30 Su-30SMs each, 60 in total. 56 have been delivered so far, so 4 we expect for 2016
    The orders for Navy are for 20 Su-30SMs, 8 have been delivered, so 12 we expect

    Unless there will be an additional contract for more Su-30SMs this year


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  ult on Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:46 am

    George1 wrote:
    ult wrote:
    George1 wrote:So 12 more Su-30SM delivered in Jan-Feb 2016

    So we expect at the end of this year, 4 remaining Su-30SM for Air Force and 12 for the Navy

    Wait, those are from the last year. This year we expect another ~30 Su-30SM.

    Yes that were of 2015 production, but the numbers we expect in 2014 are 4 and 12 respectively.

    There are 2 contracts for Air Force of 30 Su-30SMs each, 60 in total. 56 have been delivered so far, so 4 we expect for 2016
    The orders for Navy are for 20 Su-30SMs, 8 have been delivered, so 12 we expect

    Unless there will be an additional contract for more Su-30SMs this year

    Of course there will be more than 16 Su-30SM this year. They've been working on the new frames even if we don't know the exact contract yet. The VMF wanted 50.

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:53 am

    UAC results for 2015. I will point out the domestic deliveries of military planes.

    Approximate alignment of supply of combat aircraft for Russian Air Force:
    Su-34 - 18 for the Air Force:
    - Ten from May to November 2015. 559 bap (Morozovsk), received board numbers 34 to 42 red;
    - Six in October-November for 4 Pulp and Paper Industry (Lipetsk), received the board numbers 10 - 12 and 14-16 red;
    - Two above plan in December [link, link]).
    Su-30M2 - 3 for the Air Force (s / n 88-15 - 88-17 December 2015 delivered in 3 Krymsk, received the board numbers 60, 80 and 90 red [link].)
    Su-35S - 10? or 14? Air Force (serial numbers with 02-15 for 03-08:
    - Two with on board number 01 red and 02 in July, put in 23 IAP (Dzemgi), in 2016. transferred to the IAP 22 (Central Corner);
    - Four on-board with the number 03 - 06 October in the red set of 23 IAP, and later transferred to GLITs in 2016. flew to Syria;
    - Two with onboard number 05 - 06 Reds in December put into 4 pulp and paper industry (Lipetsk);
    - Four on-board with the number 07, 18, 19 and 20 red in December 2015 - January 2016 set in the 23 IAP (Dzemgi), in 2016. transferred to the IAP 22 (Central Corner);
    - Two with onboard number 21 red and 22 in February 2016. delivered in 23 IAP (Dzemgi) [link].
    Su-30SM - 27, including 22 for the Air Force and 5 for Navy. MA (s / n at 13-08 to 12-02):
    - 5 to 43 omshap (Saki) in August-September, board numbers 38 to 42 are blue,
    - 2 for GLITs in October-December, the board numbers 03 - 04 are red,
    - 20 to 31 IAP (Millerovo) board numbers 01 - 12 and 21 - 28 red, one in October-December 2015. It delivered only 12 machines, and the rest transferred in February 2016. [link].
    Yak-130 - 12 (board numbers 57, 58, 71 to 80).
    MiG-29SMT - not less than 4 for the Air Force delivered in December, confirmed by the board №20-21 blue; planned to transfer the first eight cars on the contract 2012 of 16 planes
    MiG-29UB(R) - at least one delivered in December, board №50 blue; the first delivery of the new contract allegedly from 2015. [Link, link]
    MiG-29K/KUB -10 for MA Navy, for a total contract for 24 cars completed

    Total for the Defense of the Russian Federation - not less than 89 combat aircraft. The remaining three ( voiced 92 by UAC) - are either unnoticed spotters Mig-29 SMT/UB (R), or includes three Il-76MD-90A - a (s / n 01-04 passed on Beriev Aircraft Company for the completion of a new version of A -60) and two series of transport (s / n 01-05 and 01-08, the BBC).

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1736637.html

    So, according to the above data, from what we missed till now
    1. all Su-35s have been delivered (14 for 2015)
    2. 3 Su-30M2 delivered as we have seen from other sources
    3. 5(4+1) confirmed MiG-29SMT/UB, here we dont have clear view

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Sun Feb 14, 2016 3:46 pm

    Yak-130 - 75 (+2 lost)
    Borisoglebsk - 42
    Armavir - 32
    Akhtubinsk - 1

    Su-30M2 - 20?
    Belbek - 3
    Krimsk - 9
    Uglovaya - 4
    Besovets? - 4? This was the rumored destination... have seen no confirmation.

    Su-30SM - 58
    Domna - 24 (4 in Syria)
    Dzemgi - 4
    Millerovo - 20
    Akhtubinsk - 2
    Novofedorivka - 8 (naval aviation)

    Su-35S - 48
    Dzemgi - 26
    Uglovaya - 6
    Syria - 4
    Akhtubinsk - 6
    Lipetsk - 6

    Su-34 - 74 (+1 lost, claims that total produced are 76 at this point which would leave 1 other missing if correct)
    Voronezh - 24
    Morozovsk - 36
    Akhtubinsk - 3
    Lipetsk - 11 (there are 6 in Syria which I suspect came from here)


    FYI - Akhtubinsk is the Flight Testing Center and normally has 2-4 aircraft of each type while Lipetsk is the Flight Training Center and normally has 4-6 aircraft of each type.

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Feb 14, 2016 4:00 pm

    Could you brush me up on the two lost Yak-130? I dont seem to recall.  But thanks for the list!  Do you happen to know of the Su-27SM3 numbers and locations?

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    Post  franco on Sun Feb 14, 2016 5:22 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Could you brush me up on the two lost Yak-130? I dont seem to recall.  But thanks for the list!  Do you happen to know of the Su-27SM3 numbers and locations?

    Yak-130 - not exactly. One was from the first batch delivered and the second was a couple of years ago.

    SU-27SM3 - only 12 made so far. Thirty six of the Su-27P's are to be rebuilt to 27SM3 standard starting this year and running into 2020. Not sure what they will be called, theoretically they should be called 27SM2 but possibly they will be called 27SM3 also. They are at Krimsk and provide long range escorts in support of bombers, transports etc for Syria. Suspect that is why so many Su30M2's are there also.

    According to Wikipedia there have been 3 crashes but believe the first one was a demo aircraft not owned by the Air Force;


    26 June 2006 Yak-130 crashed in the Ryazan region. Both pilots ejected safely without injuries.[17]
    29 May 2010 crashed Yak-130 (tail number 93), from the center of Lipetsk combat training and retraining of personnel. Plane accident occurred during testing. Both pilots ejected, their condition is satisfactory. There were no casualties or injuries to people on the ground.[18][19]
    15 April 2014 Yak-130 crashed in the Astrakhan region, 25 km. from Akhtubinsk near the village Bataevka. The crew of two pilots ejected, one of the pilots died – Air Force Lt. Col. Sergei Seregin. The cause of the disaster was a malfunction. The Yak-130 was owned by 1080th Red Banner Aviation Centre for Retraining of Personnel named V.P. Chkalov at Borisoglebsk. There were no casualties or damage to those on the ground.[20]

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  medo on Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:33 pm

    I think RuAF and RuNAVY have now 64 Su-30SM. Number of Su-30M2 is still not clear. Have KNAAZ delivered all 20 ordered Su-30M2 or still have to deliver some fighters?

    In Habarovsk all Su-27SM were replaced by Su-35S fighters and now the regiment of Su-27SM in Vladivostok get replacement with Su-35S as well. I wonder if RuAF will send all their Su-27SM from Far East to European part of Russia like to fully equip regiment on Crimea with Su-27SM fighters and other regiment to replace other regiment of older flankers.

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    Post  franco on Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:53 pm

    medo wrote:I think RuAF and RuNAVY have now 64 Su-30SM. Number of Su-30M2 is still not clear. Have KNAAZ delivered all 20 ordered Su-30M2 or still have to deliver some fighters?

    In Habarovsk all Su-27SM were replaced by Su-35S fighters and now the regiment of Su-27SM in Vladivostok get replacement with Su-35S as well. I wonder if RuAF will send all their Su-27SM from Far East to European part of Russia like to fully equip regiment on Crimea with Su-27SM fighters and other regiment to replace other regiment of older flankers.

    Pretty sure of that 58 30SM figure.
    The 30M2 is still a bit of a mystery, plant reported that all were to be delivered by years end back in September. We know where some are and where others were supposed to go... just no confirmations.
    The 27SM of which there are ~50 should be spread around as such;
    Belbek- 12
    Krymsk - 12
    Uglovaya - 14
    Lipetsk - 5
    Akhtubisk - 2
    Belarus - 5

    The aircraft from Uglovaya could go West to bring Belarus up to a squadron and then the other 5 go to Kants. Still some questions here also.

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  medo on Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:46 pm

    As I know, there are 64 Su-30SM now. 24 in Domna, 20 in Millerovo, 4 in Dzemgi, 2 in Akhtubinsk, 6 in Lipetsk and 8 in Crimea.

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Sun Feb 14, 2016 10:52 pm

    medo wrote:As I know, there are 64 Su-30SM now. 24 in Domna, 20 in Millerovo, 4 in Dzemgi, 2 in Akhtubinsk, 6 in Lipetsk and 8 in Crimea.

    I have the same numbers. Also franco Su-27SMs are 50 incl the SM3s?


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Sun Feb 14, 2016 10:55 pm

    George1 wrote:
    medo wrote:As I know, there are 64 Su-30SM now. 24 in Domna, 20 in Millerovo, 4 in Dzemgi, 2 in Akhtubinsk, 6 in Lipetsk and 8 in Crimea.

    I have the same numbers. Also franco Su-27SMs are 50 incl the SM3s?

    No, just the SM.
    It would make sense for some aircraft to be in Lipetsk but I have never seen anything to confirm this.

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    Post  medo on Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:00 pm

    George1 wrote:
    medo wrote:As I know, there are 64 Su-30SM now. 24 in Domna, 20 in Millerovo, 4 in Dzemgi, 2 in Akhtubinsk, 6 in Lipetsk and 8 in Crimea.

    I have the same numbers. Also franco Su-27SMs are 50 incl the SM3s?

    There was 60 Su-27SM in operational units. 24 Su-27SM in Habarovsk, 24 Su-27SM in Vladivostok and 12 new built Su-27SM3 in Krymsk plus 5 Su-27SM more, which are in Lipetsk. Those from Far East are now heading in European part. I know for those 12 Su-27SM3, that they are still in Krymsk and that there are 12 Su-27SM in Crimea. Where are the rest of them at the moment I don't know.

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    Post  franco on Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:34 pm

    Definitely a transitional period.

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  ult on Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:01 am

    franco wrote:
    Pretty sure of that 58 30SM figure.

    No, you've missed something. There are 68 Su-30SM, and 4 of them are for the Kazakhs.

    http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/5040-su-30-istoriya-serii/

    Looking at the serial numbers:
    1001-1020
    1101-1120
    1201-1220
    1301-1308

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:02 am

    ult wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Pretty sure of that 58 30SM figure.

    No, you've missed something. There are 68 Su-30SM, and 4 of them are for the Kazakhs.

    http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/5040-su-30-istoriya-serii/

    Looking at the serial numbers:
    1001-1020
    1101-1120
    1201-1220
    1301-1308

    Thanks for that link.
    The 4 30SM's for the Kazakhs wouldn't count to the Russians, so the Russian Air Forces would have 64 for the sake of our argument here.

    According to this link on the 30M2's there would be;
    Uglovaya - 4
    Dzemgi - 4
    Krymsk - 6+3 just delivered
    Belbek - 3

    Plus they are building 2 more without a contract yet.

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