Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

franco wrote:PLANNED AIRCRAFT UPGRADES

Cyberspec wrote:

franco wrote:PLANNED AIRCRAFT UPGRADES

Good post.

What are these numbers based on ?

Is it your own list based on previous announcements or a recent list?

George1 wrote:

franco wrote:PLANNED AIRCRAFT UPGRADES


Mig-29 - unknown numbers modernized to unknown standard. Would expect some sort of upgrade to the Mig-29S model. IN PROGRESS

i dont think that there is any contract for this

George1 wrote:

franco wrote:PLANNED AIRCRAFT UPGRADES


Mig-29 - unknown numbers modernized to unknown standard. Would expect some sort of upgrade to the Mig-29S model. IN PROGRESS

i dont think that there is any contract for this

TheArmenian wrote:Thanks for the numbers franco. My vote.

Do you have the numbers for helicopter orders.

413 delivered since 2006. Will work on putting something similar together.


Also can you explain the following:

- The Il-62M order ?????

Delivery was 2009 and there may have been some previous. The long range passenger fleet of the RFAF includes 5-7 Il.62M and 3-5 Tu.154M


- In the last paragraph, we see Yak-130 and Su-30 orders. Why are they not included in the previous orders mentioned before?

mack8 wrote:Good posts Franco. Have you kept track of helicopter deliveries by any chance? Thanks.

413 since 2006 but will work on putting something together.

Just to chip in, regarding modernized Su-24Ms there is also the Gefest&T upgrade adding the SVP-24 system, they do fly already in several units, but it's not clear (to me at least) exactly how many, some blogs like bmpd mentioned as many as 50 upgraded as of last year.

I have seen a few mentions of 50 also but more of 40. I tend to go low.

As for the MiG-29s, again it's unclear if the armenian ones and those at Millerovo did received only an overhaul or they were also upgraded, at least one article i read mentioned some sort of upgrade, but if so it's fairly limited, likely focused on the interception capability, so perhaps a N-019M radar, ability to use more modern missiles, GLONASS?

Cyberspec wrote:Regarding the Su-24 upgrades, AFAIK only 24 were upgraded to the M2 version (promoted by Sukhoi). It was then decided to switch to the Gefest-T upgrade

franco wrote:

MOSCOW, May 20 /TASS/. The Russian army will receive over 250 aircraft, including planes, helicopters and drones, in 2015, Russia’s First Deputy Defense Minister Arkady Bakhin said on Wednesday.

Earlier, the Russian Defense Ministry said that the Russian armed forces were expected to receive about 150 planes and helicopters before year’s end.

"In 2015, about 250 new aircraft will come in service with the Russian army," Bakhin went on to say.

He added the receipt of new aircraft could increase many times the risks of huger damage from the loss of aircraft in air accidents.

Bakhin called on chief commanders of the Russian Air Force and Navy and commanders of military districts to focus on technical retooling of aviation military units and qualitative retraining of all categories of aviation personnel and tighten control over the safety of flights when new aircraft were going to be mastered.

Would assume this includes rebuilt and new aircraft.

franco wrote:PLANNED AIR FORCE HELICOPTER FORCE

The planned force for 2020 is around ~1200 helicopters. Around 1,000 are to be new or rebuilds.

Attack Helicopters will number ~400;

Mi-28N - 78/97 by end of 2014. Talks concerning another 60 to be ordered.
Ka-50 - 10/10. Used for training and testing, not ordered as replaced by Ka-52
Ka-52 - 64/140. Does not include the K version for the Navy. Have also seen a 146 figure.
Mi-35M - 33/49.
Mi-24 - there will probably still be a few in service most likely as trainers. They would include the 24-30 VN versions which were the last produced.

Transport and Utility Helicopters will number ~800;

Mi-26T - 16/18 by end of 2014. Plan calls for 48 total including new and rebuilds.
Mi-8MTR - 3/18. EW /ECM version will be replacing the Mi-8PPS of which there are ~60 so would expect more orders.
ANSAT-U - 25/32. Used as basic trainers.
Ka-226 - 25/36. Used as trainers and utility. Would expect more of these or ANSAT's to be ordered (30-40)
Ka-62 - 0/16. Planned total of the various versions to be ~100.
Mi-8 AMTSh / MTV-5 - the two present versions under production with ~300 to be produced. Since 2010, 124 delivered of which most would be AMTSh.
Mi-8 MT / MTV - ~200 will still be in service including the ~30 delivered 2005-2009. Some upgrading of the older versions.
Mi-2UM - 16-18 were rebuilt to be used as trainers. They are scheduled to be withdrawn by 2020.

NOTES
- The Mi-8's are hard to track with all the various models and the orders being small (20-40) at a time. I believe that there have been total orders so far, for 140 AMTSh and 70 MTV-5's, but would not swear to it.
- Figures 25/32 indicate CONFIRMED deliveries/ordered.
- Does not include Naval Aviation which presently have ~200 helicopters and will probably have 250 by 2020.
- Would expect the combined Armed Forces helicopter force to be around 1500 in 2020.

Upgrading to SM standard allows a ground attack ability with guided weapons. I can't see them doing any less as only 14-16 of these aircraft were the 9-13S variant which is ground attack without guided weapons and the others were strictly 9-13 fighters.

mack8 wrote:Good resume Franco, thanks.

Upgrading to SM standard allows a ground attack ability with guided weapons. I can't see them doing any less as only 14-16 of these aircraft were the 9-13S variant which is ground attack without guided weapons and the others were strictly 9-13 fighters.

Regarding MiG-29 upgrades, at least concerning the armenian ones i have read that the reason for their alleged upgrade (i'm pretty sure the article mentioned they could now fire  R-27ER missiles which regular 9.13 can't)  was that as  interceptors (their main role) they were severely outclassed by late model turkish F-16C and their AIM-120 missiles. This is why the kind of limited upgrade i mentioned makes sense to me without any air to ground capability because A-G is not their role.

Mind you, one other possibility is, considering there are about 14 9.13S in VVS service, could it be that some or all those in Armenia are of this version anyway (so no need to upgrade, just overhaul), and if not, where are the 9.13S birds based, Millerovo? Apparently a few are at Lipetsk judging by RP.net photo captions if i'm not mistaken.