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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:11 am

    eridan wrote:yes, but which models can realistically be expected to be procured in additional numbers during 2016?

    su30sm probably will go on past the 9 airframes. additional contracts are probably a matter of time.

    su35 - perhaps not so much, with all the export orders.




    The Ministry of Defense has talked about ordering another 48 Su-35S's and 60-75 Su-30SM's. But until then I don't guess.

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:27 pm

    UPDATE: 2015 deliveries till now.

    MiG-29K:     10 [Complete]
    MiG-29SMT:   4
    Su-30М2:      0
    Su-30SM:    16 (5 Navy, 11 Air Force)
    Su-35S:        6
    Su-34:        18  [Complete]


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Sun Dec 27, 2015 9:14 pm

    George1 wrote:UPDATE: 2015 deliveries till now.

    MiG-29K:     10 [Complete]
    MiG-29SMT:   4
    Su-30М2:      0
    Su-30SM:    16 (5 Navy, 11 Air Force)
    Su-35S:        6
    Su-34:        18  [Complete]

    Also the 4 Mig-29UB (M) or (T)

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  mack8 on Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:03 pm

    This is from airforce.ru regarding the situation of Su-30SM/ Yak-130 from IAPO:
    http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/3230-ekspluataciya-dh-k-130-a-31/#post129771

    Last week began work in 2015. The annual plan for the building was listed IAZe 61 aircraft and 25 November last aircraft was transferred to the LIP.
    The figures confirm raised and transferred to the customer machines:
    Yak-130 - 30 boards (4 - Belorussia / 71, 72, 73, 74/6 - Bangladesh / 15101-15106 / 12 - VKS Russian / 57, 58, 71-80 / 8 - Bangladesh is not transferred to the customer / 15107-15114 /)
    Su-30cm - 31 board (raised in the air with 1118 by 1308) (referred 4 - Kazakhstan / 01, 02, 03, 04/5 - MA Russian Navy / 38, 39, 40, 41, 42/8 - VKS Russia Millerovo (03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 11), 2 - VKS Russian GLITS / 03, 04 /, were not transferred 12 boards)

    On another note, Franco are you sure there any more Su-30M2 to be delivered, aren't they all delivered already?

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:32 pm

    mack8 wrote:

    On another note, Franco are you sure there any more Su-30M2 to be delivered, aren't they all delivered already?

    i think there are 4 more to be delivered from 20 that had been ordered


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:43 pm

    mack8 wrote:This is from airforce.ru regarding the situation of Su-30SM/ Yak-130 from IAPO:
    http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/3230-ekspluataciya-dh-k-130-a-31/#post129771

    Last week began work in 2015. The annual plan for the building was listed IAZe 61 aircraft and 25 November last aircraft was transferred to the LIP.
    The figures confirm raised and transferred to the customer machines:
    Yak-130 - 30 boards (4 - Belorussia / 71, 72, 73, 74/6 - Bangladesh / 15101-15106 / 12 - VKS Russian / 57, 58, 71-80 / 8 - Bangladesh is not transferred to the customer / 15107-15114 /)
    Su-30cm - 31 board (raised in the air with 1118 by 1308) (referred 4 - Kazakhstan / 01, 02, 03, 04/5 - MA Russian Navy / 38, 39, 40, 41, 42/8 - VKS Russia Millerovo (03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 11), 2 - VKS Russian GLITS / 03, 04 /, were not transferred 12 boards)

    On another note, Franco are you sure there any more Su-30M2 to be delivered, aren't they all delivered already?

    There were to be the final 4 delivered this year, but I have not seen any announcement that they have been. That does not mean that they have not.

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:54 pm

    Su-30M2 are produced in the same plant as Su-35S (Komsomolsk-on-Amur plant). So probably they will delivered together in the end of this year or early January



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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:24 am

    George1 wrote:Su-30M2 are produced in the same plant as Su-35S (Komsomolsk-on-Amur plant). So probably they will delivered together in the end of this year or early January


    One of the articles that I have read over the past couple of weeks in regards to the Su-35's becoming fully operational, listed the aircraft in the regiment and in addition to the known 35's plus 30SM's, also included 2-3 30M2's. Perhaps some of those missing units and that will then free up the 4 30SM's.

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:30 pm

    mack8 wrote:This is from airforce.ru regarding the situation of Su-30SM/ Yak-130 from IAPO:
    http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/3230-ekspluataciya-dh-k-130-a-31/#post129771

    Last week began work in 2015. The annual plan for the building was listed IAZe 61 aircraft and 25 November last aircraft was transferred to the LIP.
    The figures confirm raised and transferred to the customer machines:
    Yak-130 - 30 boards (4 - Belorussia / 71, 72, 73, 74/6 - Bangladesh / 15101-15106 / 12 - VKS Russian / 57, 58, 71-80 / 8 - Bangladesh is not transferred to the customer / 15107-15114 /)
    Su-30cm - 31 board (raised in the air with 1118 by 1308) (referred 4 - Kazakhstan / 01, 02, 03, 04/5 - MA Russian Navy / 38, 39, 40, 41, 42/8 - VKS Russia Millerovo (03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 11), 2 - VKS Russian GLITS / 03, 04 /, were not transferred 12 boards)

    On another note, Franco are you sure there any more Su-30M2 to be delivered, aren't they all delivered already?

    There has also been a couple of mentions of Su-30's going to Besovet (2 squadrons of Su-27P's), maybe that is where they are or are going?

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:48 pm

    mack8 wrote:This is from airforce.ru regarding the situation of Su-30SM/ Yak-130 from IAPO:
    http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/3230-ekspluataciya-dh-k-130-a-31/#post129771

    Last week began work in 2015. The annual plan for the building was listed IAZe 61 aircraft and 25 November last aircraft was transferred to the LIP.
    The figures confirm raised and transferred to the customer machines:
    Yak-130 - 30 boards (4 - Belorussia / 71, 72, 73, 74/6 - Bangladesh / 15101-15106 / 12 - VKS Russian / 57, 58, 71-80 / 8 - Bangladesh is not transferred to the customer / 15107-15114 /)
    Su-30cm - 31 board (raised in the air with 1118 by 1308) (referred 4 - Kazakhstan / 01, 02, 03, 04/5 - MA Russian Navy / 38, 39, 40, 41, 42/8 - VKS Russia Millerovo (03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 11), 2 - VKS Russian GLITS / 03, 04 /, were not transferred 12 boards)

    On another note, Franco are you sure there any more Su-30M2 to be delivered, aren't they all delivered already?

    Article from back in September.

    MOSCOW, September 7. / TASS /. Russian Defense Ministry this year will receive 14 aircraft 4 ++ generation Su-35s and five Su-30M2 from Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Plant. Yuri Gagarin, said the deputy head of the Russian Defense Ministry of Russia, Yuri Borisov during a visit to the plant. "For this year, the plant delivers us 14 Su-35s and five Su-30M2" - quoted him as saying the press service of the Defense Ministry. Borisov visited the flight test station plant with a fifth-generation fighter T-50 and recalled the Defense Ministry plans to procurement of the aircraft within the existing state program of armaments. The Deputy Minister also visited the manufacturing plants of aircraft T-50, Su-35s and Su-30M2 and Su-27SM3, civil SSJ-100 "Sukhoi Superjet", a new camera application of radio-coatings for the T-50 and built shop electroplating treatment and aluminum alloys . "We have at least twice a year come to the Komsomolsk-on-Amur. First, look at how the state defense order is placed, and at the end of the year to watch the end of it," - said Borisov. He also noted that there were no concerns in terms of implementation of the state defense order this plant there. show more

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:58 pm

    i thought we expected 4 Su-30M2 not 5, unless there had been a secret additional order


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    Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:13 pm

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  eehnie on Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:00 pm

    Firebird wrote:
    franco wrote:If all goes according to present plans and schedules, expect to see the following numbers of operational Combat squadrons by the end of 2020.

    Air Force

    7-8 squadrons Su-25SM3
    2 squadrons Su-25SM2
    2-3 squadrons Su-24M2
    2-3 squadrons Su-24MR
    9-10 squadrons Su-34
    3 squadrons Mig-29S
    3 squadrons Mig-29SMT
    2 squadrons Mig-35
    7-8 squadrons Mig-31BM
    6 squadrons Su-27SM2
    1 squadron Su-27SM3
    4 squadrons Su-30SM
    7 squadrons Su-35S
    1-3 squadrons T-50
    2 squadrons Tu-22M3
    2 squadrons Tu-22M3M
    2-3 squadrons Tu-95MSM
    1 squadron Tu-160M

    Naval Aviation

    2 squadrons Mig-29K
    1 squadron Su-33M
    3 squadrons Su-30SM
    2 squadrons Tu-142M
    3 squadrons Il-38N

    A squadron has 12 aircraft plus 2-4 spares.

    Does anyone know how many aircraft ontop of this (and extra builds/upgrades) there would be "in reserve" with a reasonable chance of being salvageable for full combat duties?

    From warfare.be it would be in reserve/storage:

    093 Tu-22
    000+ MiG-25
    100 MiG-31
    120 Su-24
    150 MiG-29/35
    160+ MiG-27
    226- Su-17/20/22
    200+ MiG-23

    Not sure if all meet the requirements included in your question. Surely not.

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:29 am

    Russian wikipedia page about RuAF gives:

    20x Su-30M2 (4 more than those we have counted)
    44x Su30SM (2 more than those we have counted)
    44x Su-35S (i cant say)

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8B_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:35 am

    George1 wrote:Russian wikipedia page about RuAF gives:

    20x Su-30M2 (4 more than those we have counted)
    44x Su30SM (2 more than those we have counted)
    44x Su-35S (i cant say)

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8B_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8

    If all that they claimed were going to be built this year was,  then there should be 20 30M2, 48 35S and 48 30SM. Confirmed deployments:

    Su-30M2 - Uglovaya (4), Belbek (4), Krimsk (6). Possibles are Dzemgi and Besovets

    Su-30SM - Domna (24), Dzemgi (4), Millerovo ( 8 ), Akhtubinsk (2). Irtutsk plant has 10 which will be transferred by end of January to Millerovo.

    Su-35S - Dzemgi (26), Akhtubinsk (6), Lipetsk (4). That leaves 12 of which 4 flew West but their final destination was not determined. I suspect there is some shuffling around of aircraft so that those first manufactured may be retrofitted to whatever was the standard when final certification was awarded in November. Two of the aircraft at Dzemgi were just transferred to Uglovaya.

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:16 am

    Air Force Modernization Update to Start 0f 2016

    Figures include those of aircraft that were scheduled to be completed in 2015. Not all delivered or confirmed delivered yet.

    NEW

    20 Su-30M2
    56 Su-30SM
    48 Su-35S
    12 Su-27SM3
    42 Mig-29SMT/UBT
    24 Mig-29K/KUB
    74 Su-34
    = 276

    MODERNIZED

    14 Mig-29S
    51 Su-27SM/UBM
    79 Su-25SM
    5 Su-25SM3  (may be -25SM's upgraded)
    72 Mig-31BM
    24 Su-24M2 (other -24M's received lesser upgrades)
    = 245

    In addition there is an upgrade occurring with the Tu-22M3, Tu-95MS and Tu-160 bombers (~20 to date)

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:03 pm

    Not sure of the reasoning but by this time next year all fighters in the East will be modernized. Would have thought the West would have been completed first dunno

    Dzemgi - 2 squadrons Su-35S
    Uglovaya - 1 squadron each of Su-35S, Su-30SM and Mig-31BM
    Elizovo - 1 squadron Mig-31BM
    Domna - 2 squadrons Su-30SM

    Could be because of the distances that need covered and the condition of the aircraft out there. I also expect the Su-27SM squadron in Uglovaya to be transferred West to replace one of the Su-27P squadrons to start the rebuilds of 36 -27P's to Su-27SM2 over 2017-19. thumbsup

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:42 pm

    Updated Modern Attack Helicopters Numbers

    NEW

    Mil-35M - 48
    Mil-28N - 94
    Ka-52 - 63
    Total = 205

    MODERNIZED

    Mil-24PN - 20-30 (Planned upgrade for Mil-24's but after completing a couple of squadrons decided to cancel and build new)

    Grand Total = 225+

    * 6-8 Ka-50's sitting at Torzhok, operating status unknown

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:51 pm

    franco wrote:Updated Modern Attack Helicopters Numbers

    NEW

    Mil-35M - 48
    Mil-28N - 94
    Ka-52 - 63
    Total = 205

    MODERNIZED

    Mil-24PN - 20-30 (Planned upgrade for Mil-24's but after completing a couple of squadrons decided to cancel and build new)

    Grand Total = 225+

    * 6-8 Ka-50's sitting at Torzhok, operating status unknown

    You mean total number in service?

    I have stopped updating on the numbers a year ago.

    And i would guess that you mean Mi-24PM (Mi-35PM) the 24PN was abolished from the last status of the upgrade and deemed as not suitable that is why Mil murged PN and VP to 35(24-VM/PM) status.

    The Ka-50 are still on Torzhok that is also what i have heared from others on paralay or topwar but non are in active status and most were decommissioned.

    Can you give a link to that?

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:30 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    franco wrote:Updated Modern Attack Helicopters Numbers

    NEW

    Mil-35M - 48
    Mil-28N - 94
    Ka-52 - 63
    Total = 205

    MODERNIZED

    Mil-24PN - 20-30 (Planned upgrade for Mil-24's but after completing a couple of squadrons decided to cancel and build new)

    Grand Total = 225+

    * 6-8 Ka-50's sitting at Torzhok, operating status unknown

    You mean total number in service?

    I have stopped updating on the numbers a year ago.

    And i would guess that you mean Mi-24PM (Mi-35PM) the 24PN was abolished from the last status of the upgrade and deemed as not suitable that is why Mil murged PN and VP to 35(24-VM/PM) status.

    The Ka-50 are still on Torzhok that is also what i have heared from others on paralay or topwar but non are in active status and most were decommissioned.

    Can you give a link to that?

    1. Yes to total number in service.
    2. Was going to call them the Mil-35 which I have also seen to describe the -24 PN/PM/VN/VM upgrades. Wasn't satisfactory and not many completed. Just covered that they existed which was also the reason that I mentioned the Ka-50.
    3. Link to ??

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:35 pm

    I thought you summerized it from some source but your reply indicates it is what you have counted from several reports.

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    Post  franco on Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:48 pm

    Werewolf wrote:I thought you summerized it from some source but your reply indicates it is what you have counted from several reports.

    I'm an tracker or counter or whatever you want to call it. Take for example the Ka-52, have some sources saying 60 and others claiming 74. I'm comfortable with 64 produced and 1 wrote-off. The 74 figure from production dates would have to include the -50's IMO.

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  George1 on Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:57 pm

    franco wrote:Updated Modern Attack Helicopters Numbers

    NEW

    Mil-35M - 48
    Mil-28N - 94
    Ka-52 - 63
    Total = 205

    MODERNIZED

    Mil-24PN - 20-30 (Planned upgrade for Mil-24's but after completing a couple of squadrons decided to cancel and build new)

    Grand Total = 225+

    * 6-8 Ka-50's sitting at Torzhok, operating status unknown

    i had the impression Ka-52s are about 80


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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  franco on Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:39 pm

    George1 wrote:
    franco wrote:Updated Modern Attack Helicopters Numbers

    NEW

    Mil-35M - 48
    Mil-28N - 94
    Ka-52 - 63
    Total = 205

    MODERNIZED

    Mil-24PN - 20-30 (Planned upgrade for Mil-24's but after completing a couple of squadrons decided to cancel and build new)

    Grand Total = 225+

    * 6-8 Ka-50's sitting at Torzhok, operating status unknown

    i had the impression Ka-52s are about 80

    Have seen a figure of 74 but it appears to include the Ka-50's also so until I get something more concrete will stay with 64 produced and 1 lost in a crash.

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    Re: Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

    Post  medo on Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:14 pm

    franco wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    franco wrote:Updated Modern Attack Helicopters Numbers

    NEW

    Mil-35M - 48
    Mil-28N - 94
    Ka-52 - 63
    Total = 205

    MODERNIZED

    Mil-24PN - 20-30 (Planned upgrade for Mil-24's but after completing a couple of squadrons decided to cancel and build new)

    Grand Total = 225+

    * 6-8 Ka-50's sitting at Torzhok, operating status unknown

    i had the impression Ka-52s are about 80

    Have seen a figure of 74 but it appears to include the Ka-50's also so until I get something more concrete will stay with 64 produced and 1 lost in a crash.

    It is quite nice to see more than 200 new night capable attack helicopters in armament. I think they need at least 200 more to replace all old Mi-24 helicopters.

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