Russian Air Force numbers and procurement plans

eridan wrote:yes, but which models can realistically be expected to be procured in additional numbers during 2016?

su30sm probably will go on past the 9 airframes. additional contracts are probably a matter of time.

su35 - perhaps not so much, with all the export orders.

The Ministry of Defense has talked about ordering another 48 Su-35S's and 60-75 Su-30SM's. But until then I don't guess.

UPDATE: 2015 deliveries till now.

MiG-29K:     10 [Complete]
MiG-29SMT:   4
Su-30М2:      0
Su-30SM:    16 (5 Navy, 11 Air Force)
Su-35S:        6
Su-34:        18  [Complete]

George1 wrote:UPDATE: 2015 deliveries till now.

MiG-29K:     10 [Complete]
MiG-29SMT:   4
Su-30М2:      0
Su-30SM:    16 (5 Navy, 11 Air Force)
Su-35S:        6
Su-34:        18  [Complete]

Also the 4 Mig-29UB (M) or (T)

mack8 wrote:

On another note, Franco are you sure there any more Su-30M2 to be delivered, aren't they all delivered already?

i think there are 4 more to be delivered from 20 that had been ordered

mack8 wrote:This is from airforce.ru regarding the situation of Su-30SM/ Yak-130 from IAPO:
http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/3230-ekspluataciya-dh-k-130-a-31/#post129771

Last week began work in 2015. The annual plan for the building was listed IAZe 61 aircraft and 25 November last aircraft was transferred to the LIP.
The figures confirm raised and transferred to the customer machines:
Yak-130 - 30 boards (4 - Belorussia / 71, 72, 73, 74/6 - Bangladesh / 15101-15106 / 12 - VKS Russian / 57, 58, 71-80 / 8 - Bangladesh is not transferred to the customer / 15107-15114 /)
Su-30cm - 31 board (raised in the air with 1118 by 1308) (referred 4 - Kazakhstan / 01, 02, 03, 04/5 - MA Russian Navy / 38, 39, 40, 41, 42/8 - VKS Russia Millerovo (03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 11), 2 - VKS Russian GLITS / 03, 04 /, were not transferred 12 boards)

On another note, Franco are you sure there any more Su-30M2 to be delivered, aren't they all delivered already?

There were to be the final 4 delivered this year, but I have not seen any announcement that they have been. That does not mean that they have not.

Su-30M2 are produced in the same plant as Su-35S (Komsomolsk-on-Amur plant). So probably they will delivered together in the end of this year or early January

George1 wrote:Su-30M2 are produced in the same plant as Su-35S (Komsomolsk-on-Amur plant). So probably they will delivered together in the end of this year or early January

One of the articles that I have read over the past couple of weeks in regards to the Su-35's becoming fully operational, listed the aircraft in the regiment and in addition to the known 35's plus 30SM's, also included 2-3 30M2's. Perhaps some of those missing units and that will then free up the 4 30SM's.

mack8 wrote:This is from airforce.ru regarding the situation of Su-30SM/ Yak-130 from IAPO:
http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/3230-ekspluataciya-dh-k-130-a-31/#post129771

Last week began work in 2015. The annual plan for the building was listed IAZe 61 aircraft and 25 November last aircraft was transferred to the LIP.
The figures confirm raised and transferred to the customer machines:
Yak-130 - 30 boards (4 - Belorussia / 71, 72, 73, 74/6 - Bangladesh / 15101-15106 / 12 - VKS Russian / 57, 58, 71-80 / 8 - Bangladesh is not transferred to the customer / 15107-15114 /)
Su-30cm - 31 board (raised in the air with 1118 by 1308) (referred 4 - Kazakhstan / 01, 02, 03, 04/5 - MA Russian Navy / 38, 39, 40, 41, 42/8 - VKS Russia Millerovo (03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 11), 2 - VKS Russian GLITS / 03, 04 /, were not transferred 12 boards)

On another note, Franco are you sure there any more Su-30M2 to be delivered, aren't they all delivered already?

There has also been a couple of mentions of Su-30's going to Besovet (2 squadrons of Su-27P's), maybe that is where they are or are going?

mack8 wrote:This is from airforce.ru regarding the situation of Su-30SM/ Yak-130 from IAPO:
http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/3230-ekspluataciya-dh-k-130-a-31/#post129771

Last week began work in 2015. The annual plan for the building was listed IAZe 61 aircraft and 25 November last aircraft was transferred to the LIP.
The figures confirm raised and transferred to the customer machines:
Yak-130 - 30 boards (4 - Belorussia / 71, 72, 73, 74/6 - Bangladesh / 15101-15106 / 12 - VKS Russian / 57, 58, 71-80 / 8 - Bangladesh is not transferred to the customer / 15107-15114 /)
Su-30cm - 31 board (raised in the air with 1118 by 1308) (referred 4 - Kazakhstan / 01, 02, 03, 04/5 - MA Russian Navy / 38, 39, 40, 41, 42/8 - VKS Russia Millerovo (03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 11), 2 - VKS Russian GLITS / 03, 04 /, were not transferred 12 boards)

On another note, Franco are you sure there any more Su-30M2 to be delivered, aren't they all delivered already?

Article from back in September.

MOSCOW, September 7. / TASS /. Russian Defense Ministry this year will receive 14 aircraft 4 ++ generation Su-35s and five Su-30M2 from Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Plant. Yuri Gagarin, said the deputy head of the Russian Defense Ministry of Russia, Yuri Borisov during a visit to the plant. "For this year, the plant delivers us 14 Su-35s and five Su-30M2" - quoted him as saying the press service of the Defense Ministry. Borisov visited the flight test station plant with a fifth-generation fighter T-50 and recalled the Defense Ministry plans to procurement of the aircraft within the existing state program of armaments. The Deputy Minister also visited the manufacturing plants of aircraft T-50, Su-35s and Su-30M2 and Su-27SM3, civil SSJ-100 "Sukhoi Superjet", a new camera application of radio-coatings for the T-50 and built shop electroplating treatment and aluminum alloys . "We have at least twice a year come to the Komsomolsk-on-Amur. First, look at how the state defense order is placed, and at the end of the year to watch the end of it," - said Borisov. He also noted that there were no concerns in terms of implementation of the state defense order this plant there. show more

i thought we expected 4 Su-30M2 not 5, unless there had been a secret additional order

The joys of tracking

Russian wikipedia page about RuAF gives:

20x Su-30M2 (4 more than those we have counted)
44x Su30SM (2 more than those we have counted)
44x Su-35S (i cant say)

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8B_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8

George1 wrote:Russian wikipedia page about RuAF gives:

20x Su-30M2 (4 more than those we have counted)
44x Su30SM (2 more than those we have counted)
44x Su-35S (i cant say)

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8B_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8

If all that they claimed were going to be built this year was,  then there should be 20 30M2, 48 35S and 48 30SM. Confirmed deployments:

Su-30M2 - Uglovaya (4), Belbek (4), Krimsk (6). Possibles are Dzemgi and Besovets

Su-30SM - Domna (24), Dzemgi (4), Millerovo ( 8 ), Akhtubinsk (2). Irtutsk plant has 10 which will be transferred by end of January to Millerovo.

Su-35S - Dzemgi (26), Akhtubinsk (6), Lipetsk (4). That leaves 12 of which 4 flew West but their final destination was not determined. I suspect there is some shuffling around of aircraft so that those first manufactured may be retrofitted to whatever was the standard when final certification was awarded in November. Two of the aircraft at Dzemgi were just transferred to Uglovaya.

Air Force Modernization Update to Start 0f 2016

Figures include those of aircraft that were scheduled to be completed in 2015. Not all delivered or confirmed delivered yet.

NEW

20 Su-30M2
56 Su-30SM
48 Su-35S
12 Su-27SM3
42 Mig-29SMT/UBT
24 Mig-29K/KUB
74 Su-34
= 276

MODERNIZED

14 Mig-29S
51 Su-27SM/UBM
79 Su-25SM
5 Su-25SM3  (may be -25SM's upgraded)
72 Mig-31BM
24 Su-24M2 (other -24M's received lesser upgrades)
= 245

In addition there is an upgrade occurring with the Tu-22M3, Tu-95MS and Tu-160 bombers (~20 to date)

Not sure of the reasoning but by this time next year all fighters in the East will be modernized. Would have thought the West would have been completed first

Dzemgi - 2 squadrons Su-35S
Uglovaya - 1 squadron each of Su-35S, Su-30SM and Mig-31BM
Elizovo - 1 squadron Mig-31BM
Domna - 2 squadrons Su-30SM

Could be because of the distances that need covered and the condition of the aircraft out there. I also expect the Su-27SM squadron in Uglovaya to be transferred West to replace one of the Su-27P squadrons to start the rebuilds of 36 -27P's to Su-27SM2 over 2017-19.

Updated Modern Attack Helicopters Numbers

NEW

Mil-35M - 48
Mil-28N - 94
Ka-52 - 63
Total = 205

MODERNIZED

Mil-24PN - 20-30 (Planned upgrade for Mil-24's but after completing a couple of squadrons decided to cancel and build new)

Grand Total = 225+

* 6-8 Ka-50's sitting at Torzhok, operating status unknown

Werewolf wrote:

franco wrote:Updated Modern Attack Helicopters Numbers

NEW

Mil-35M - 48
Mil-28N - 94
Ka-52 - 63
Total = 205

MODERNIZED

Mil-24PN - 20-30 (Planned upgrade for Mil-24's but after completing a couple of squadrons decided to cancel and build new)

Grand Total = 225+

* 6-8 Ka-50's sitting at Torzhok, operating status unknown

You mean total number in service?

I have stopped updating on the numbers a year ago.

And i would guess that you mean Mi-24PM (Mi-35PM) the 24PN was abolished from the last status of the upgrade and deemed as not suitable that is why Mil murged PN and VP to 35(24-VM/PM) status.

The Ka-50 are still on Torzhok that is also what i have heared from others on paralay or topwar but non are in active status and most were decommissioned.

Can you give a link to that?

1. Yes to total number in service.
2. Was going to call them the Mil-35 which I have also seen to describe the -24 PN/PM/VN/VM upgrades. Wasn't satisfactory and not many completed. Just covered that they existed which was also the reason that I mentioned the Ka-50.
3. Link to ??

Werewolf wrote:I thought you summerized it from some source but your reply indicates it is what you have counted from several reports.

I'm an tracker or counter or whatever you want to call it. Take for example the Ka-52, have some sources saying 60 and others claiming 74. I'm comfortable with 64 produced and 1 wrote-off. The 74 figure from production dates would have to include the -50's IMO.

franco wrote:Updated Modern Attack Helicopters Numbers

NEW

Mil-35M - 48
Mil-28N - 94
Ka-52 - 63
Total = 205

MODERNIZED

Mil-24PN - 20-30 (Planned upgrade for Mil-24's but after completing a couple of squadrons decided to cancel and build new)

Grand Total = 225+

* 6-8 Ka-50's sitting at Torzhok, operating status unknown

i had the impression Ka-52s are about 80

George1 wrote:

franco wrote:Updated Modern Attack Helicopters Numbers

NEW

Mil-35M - 48
Mil-28N - 94
Ka-52 - 63
Total = 205

MODERNIZED

Mil-24PN - 20-30 (Planned upgrade for Mil-24's but after completing a couple of squadrons decided to cancel and build new)

Grand Total = 225+

* 6-8 Ka-50's sitting at Torzhok, operating status unknown

i had the impression Ka-52s are about 80

Have seen a figure of 74 but it appears to include the Ka-50's also so until I get something more concrete will stay with 64 produced and 1 lost in a crash.