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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Militarov on Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:31 pm

    sepheronx wrote:No one actually knows of the data fusion on Su-35 or what computing it has. The Rafale talk sure sounds like marketing, but possibly true.

    @ militerov.
    You must be old. Hyperthreading is terrible compared to multicores. And even then, the Rafale computer would need a DPS cores or a overpowered processor to have the power to translate the data from various sensors in real time. Something Russia makes from at least two companies. Dunno if France does.

    I am actually IT engineer Very Happy

    These computers use many cores but in this case each core has 1 thread. However why i said hyperthreading is because very often "main" computer has chip with multiple cores that have multiple threads, that is the one dealing with data projection to the pilot. While chips dealing with actual data processing are single thread multicore blocks, very often many, many blocks.

    Russia is making something similar, but on on same level of integration and sophistication as Americans, French or Israelis, also from what i am aware Russian multicores are still produced abroad in Taiwan or where it was. STMicroelectronics i belive can deal with such production for French i had their PLC.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:39 pm

    domestic use for military is made in either Mikron plant or Angstrom-T. For mass development and ones running on lower than 65nm is done in Taiwan.

    Multithreating is just ass and barely works even with proper coding. I too am in computing engineering (although your more experienced than me, old man, a I can guarantee your schools are better than ours) and we'll, we move to a different field away from it. Physical cores we seen better results in an HPC environment. DSP cores are extremely efficient at processing data from real time. Elvees is one company as an example. Elbrus 2C+ uses 4 DSP cores and 2 VLIW cores. It was more or les designed for radar installations as an example. A very powerful core for instance can do the same job, but less efficient.

    BTW, never buy a blackberry phone. This thing is a piece of shit.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Militarov on Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:10 pm

    sepheronx wrote:domestic use for military is made in either Mikron plant or Angstrom-T. For mass development and ones running on lower than 65nm is done in Taiwan.

    Multithreating is just ass and barely works even with proper coding. I too am in computing engineering (although your more experienced than me, old man, a I can guarantee your schools are better than ours) and we'll, we move to a different field away from it. Physical cores we seen better results in an HPC environment. DSP cores are extremely efficient at processing data from real time. Elvees is one company as an example. Elbrus 2C+ uses 4 DSP cores and 2 VLIW cores. It was more or les designed for radar installations as an example. A very powerful core for instance can do the same job, but less efficient.

    BTW, never buy a blackberry phone. This thing is a piece of shit.


    Multitreading is good but performance depends alot on application it runs. I am not that old i actually belive we once said we are of similar age, two of us.

    I am more working with Web and Web development rather than "raw" computing. PHP, CSS, Javascript, Bootstrap, PHP, MySQL and some Python/VBA and "general" computer. I do tho sometimes work system design for companies but that is becoming rare these days with all these premade servers and workstations.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:16 pm

    I can tell your schools are better. Ours do not teach us much for coding (barely) unless you take an additional course which costs $18K more.

    My wife has similar to you then. I'll be 27 soon.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Militarov on Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:54 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I can tell your schools are better. Ours do not teach us much for coding (barely) unless you take an additional course which costs $18K more.

    My wife has similar to you then. I'll be 27 soon.

    Basic coding you can learn here in highschool, Pascal or C#. Colleges go as far as Artificial Intelligence and Assemblers. My Master degree was in AI and A* algs.

    Natrually all depends which college did you go to. ETF here is considered as one of the best, Electronics Faculty.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:59 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I can tell your schools are better. Ours do not teach us much for coding (barely) unless you take an additional course which costs $18K more.

    My wife has similar to you then. I'll be 27 soon.

    Basic coding you can learn here in highschool, Pascal or C#. Colleges go as far as Artificial Intelligence and Assemblers. My Master degree was in AI and A* algs.

    Natrually all depends which college did you go to. ETF here is considered as one of the best, Electronics Faculty.

    I should upgrade in Serbia...... Canada is effin expensive.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Militarov on Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:10 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I can tell your schools are better. Ours do not teach us much for coding (barely) unless you take an additional course which costs $18K more.

    My wife has similar to you then. I'll be 27 soon.

    Basic coding you can learn here in highschool, Pascal or C#. Colleges go as far as Artificial Intelligence and Assemblers. My Master degree was in AI and A* algs.

    Natrually all depends which college did you go to. ETF here is considered as one of the best, Electronics Faculty.

    I should upgrade in Serbia......  Canada is effin expensive.

    Specialist multimedia or programming studies on my college are 1000 CAD, 2 semesters. They are not exceptional but offer great base for your own later improvements, give you solid base in math, algs, syntax..

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:02 am

    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I can tell your schools are better. Ours do not teach us much for coding (barely) unless you take an additional course which costs $18K more.

    My wife has similar to you then. I'll be 27 soon.

    Basic coding you can learn here in highschool, Pascal or C#. Colleges go as far as Artificial Intelligence and Assemblers. My Master degree was in AI and A* algs.

    Natrually all depends which college did you go to. ETF here is considered as one of the best, Electronics Faculty.

    I should upgrade in Serbia......  Canada is effin expensive.

    Specialist multimedia or programming studies on my college are 1000 CAD, 2 semesters. They are not exceptional but offer great base for your own later improvements, give you solid base in math, algs, syntax..

    curious has I am no expert on this plane how does the F-35 hold compared to the F-35.

    Keep in mind the F-35 is designed to snipe plane from super long range.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Militarov on Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:32 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I can tell your schools are better. Ours do not teach us much for coding (barely) unless you take an additional course which costs $18K more.

    My wife has similar to you then. I'll be 27 soon.

    Basic coding you can learn here in highschool, Pascal or C#. Colleges go as far as Artificial Intelligence and Assemblers. My Master degree was in AI and A* algs.

    Natrually all depends which college did you go to. ETF here is considered as one of the best, Electronics Faculty.

    I should upgrade in Serbia......  Canada is effin expensive.

    Specialist multimedia or programming studies on my college are 1000 CAD, 2 semesters. They are not exceptional but offer great base for your own later improvements, give you solid base in math, algs, syntax..

    curious has I am no expert on this plane how does the F-35 hold compared to the F-35.

    Keep in mind the F-35 is designed to snipe plane from super long range.

    You mean Su-35 vs F35? Or something of a sort.


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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:49 am

    Militarov wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I can tell your schools are better. Ours do not teach us much for coding (barely) unless you take an additional course which costs $18K more.

    My wife has similar to you then. I'll be 27 soon.

    Basic coding you can learn here in highschool, Pascal or C#. Colleges go as far as Artificial Intelligence and Assemblers. My Master degree was in AI and A* algs.

    Natrually all depends which college did you go to. ETF here is considered as one of the best, Electronics Faculty.

    I should upgrade in Serbia......  Canada is effin expensive.

    Specialist multimedia or programming studies on my college are 1000 CAD, 2 semesters. They are not exceptional but offer great base for your own later improvements, give you solid base in math, algs, syntax..

    curious has I am no expert on this plane how does the F-35 hold compared to the F-35.

    Keep in mind the F-35 is designed to snipe plane from super long range.

    You mean Su-35 vs F35? Or something of a sort.

    Yes hit F when I meant to hit S lol


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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:39 am

    Rafale Sensor Fusion is Impressive , Thought would ask if Su-35 has any thing similar in Sensor Fusion ?

    Errr... Soviet fighter planes had sensor fusion since the early 1980s.

    I think you are referring to data fusion... the IRST and radar and helmet mounted sights on MiG-29s and Su-27s are linked so a lock can be gained by any of the three and handed over to another for tracking or ranging purposes.

    For instance if it is heavy cloud the radar can scan for and lock a target, or in clear weather a target can be sighted with the HMS or IRST and missile seekers directed to look at the target for a lock and then be launched.

    All the systems and equipment on an aircraft generate an enormous amount of information... much of which is not important except at very specific times... of course altitude low is always an important warning, but when you are chasing an air target you don't want to be reminded that you are x number of kilometres off course...

    The datafusion in the Su-35 should be excellent as it is based on the first generation equipment fitted to the PAK FA. There is a reason that the Su-35 is single seat only... and that is the same reason the PAK FA is single seat only.

    They have already mentioned that the avionics is optimised for one crewman and is highly automated.

    The PAK FA and Su-35 are designed to be single seat fully multirole or as some in the west omnirole aircraft... ie are designed for multiple different roles in one mission... ie might carry an attack missile or weapon and then fly air cover for the next wave while performing a jamming or EW role at the same time.


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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  medo on Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:36 pm

    After introducing L-150 Pastel RWR, modern Russian fighters receive similar sensor fusion and they don't need special RWR indicator like with old SPO-15 Beryoza. All informations now are integrated in situational picture, which show all informations collected from different sensors. Pastel is also used for launching anti-radar missiles and the newest versions could as well be used for launching new R-77-1 missiles, so it is well connected into main FCS computer, which collect and fuse together all information from all sensors on board as well as from data link. Su-35 also have MAWS and LWR sensors, which cover whole sphere around jet, so it is no worse in its capabilities than Rafale. Only thing it lack is DIRCM, but on the other hand we do not know, how effective are new flares against new IIR homing head AAMs.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri May 20, 2016 4:14 am

    Militarov wrote:
    Austin wrote:Sorry I dont want to cross link this from other board but rather then copy pasting it thought would do justice linking it

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?134900-Rafale-news-amp-discussion-part-XVI&p=2308685#post2308685

    Rafale Sensor Fusion is Impressive , Thought would ask if Su-35 has any thing similar in Sensor Fusion ?

    To certain extend only i am afraid. Russians are still to master real data fusion that West was very keen on developing last 2 decades. But they are getting better. Data fusion requires very fast data bus and some high end processors, many of them actually, hyper threading is the key. Naturally some high end programming too.

    That's a bizarre conclusion considering the Su-35 has longer ranged nose mounted radar compared to it's Western counterparts, L-band AESA in it's leading edge of its wings, IRST as well as it's designed to be integrated into VKS IADs C4, if anything it says that planes like Su-35 has superior sensor fusion not inferior. PAK-FA should be able to surpass that especially when KRET (in the 2018-2020 time frame) will be introducing ROFAR based smart-skin suite.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Militarov on Fri May 20, 2016 4:33 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Austin wrote:Sorry I dont want to cross link this from other board but rather then copy pasting it thought would do justice linking it

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?134900-Rafale-news-amp-discussion-part-XVI&p=2308685#post2308685

    Rafale Sensor Fusion is Impressive , Thought would ask if Su-35 has any thing similar in Sensor Fusion ?

    To certain extend only i am afraid. Russians are still to master real data fusion that West was very keen on developing last 2 decades. But they are getting better. Data fusion requires very fast data bus and some high end processors, many of them actually, hyper threading is the key. Naturally some high end programming too.

    That's a bizarre conclusion considering the Su-35 has longer ranged nose mounted radar compared to it's Western counterparts, L-band AESA in it's leading edge of its wings, IRST as well as it's designed to be integrated into VKS IADs C4, if anything it says that planes like Su-35 has superior sensor fusion not inferior. PAK-FA should be able to surpass that especially when KRET (in the 2018-2020 time frame) will be introducing ROFAR based smart-skin suite.

    One thing is having various sensors with their certain characteristics, totally different thing is having real efficient fusion on that data you are recieving from those sensors.

    Su-35 is good step up compared to previous Russian designs, however they still have alot to improve and learn. Filtering false inputs, filtering clutter, filtering background noises, crossmatching various "there-not_there" inputs to form information, then organising whole that data to be shown on HUD and HMS, but that way so it does not overflow the pilot.... Its alot more complicated and harder to do than it sounds.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Book. on Fri May 20, 2016 6:11 am

    Software glitch causes F-35 to incorrectly detect targets in formation
    Published March 25, 2015

    Here: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2015/03/25/software-glitch-causes..

    Engineers are trying to fix the F-35’s software package after it was discovered the sensors for the Joint Strike Fighter malfunction when detecting targets when the aircraft flies in formation.

    Air Force Lt. Gen. Christopher Bogdan, Program Executive Officer, F-35, said he didn’t have a date when the correction would be made. However, he said the problem would not delay the declaration of the Marine variant of the aircraft, the F-35B, ready for combat.

    “When you have two, three or four F-35s looking at the same threat, they don’t all see it exactly the same because of the angles that they are looking at and what their sensors pick up,” Bogdan told reporters Tuesday. “When there is a slight difference in what those four airplanes might be seeing, the fusion model can’t decide if it’s one threat or more than one threat. If two airplanes are looking at the same thing, they see it slightly differently because of the physics of it.”

    For example, if a group of F-35s detect a single ground threat such as anti-aircraft weaponry, the sensors on the planes may have trouble distinguishing whether it was an isolated threat or several objects, Bogdan explained....

    US poor code.  study

    Su 35 ready. F35 no

    medo wrote:After introducing L-150 Pastel RWR, modern Russian fighters receive similar sensor fusion and they don't need special RWR indicator like with old SPO-15 Beryoza. All informations now are integrated in situational picture, which show all informations collected from different sensors. Pastel is also used for launching anti-radar missiles and the newest versions could as well be used for launching new R-77-1 missiles, so it is well connected into main FCS computer, which collect and fuse together all information from all sensors on board as well as from data link. Su-35 also have MAWS and LWR sensors, which cover whole sphere around jet, so it is no worse in its capabilities than Rafale. Only thing it lack is DIRCM, but on the other hand we do not know, how effective are new flares against new IIR homing head AAMs.

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    Militarov wrote:One thing is having various sensors with their certain characteristics, totally different thing is having real efficient fusion on that data you are recieving from those sensors.

    Su-35 is good step up compared to previous Russian designs, however they still have alot to improve and learn. Filtering false inputs, filtering clutter, filtering background noises, crossmatching various "there-not_there" inputs to form information, then organising whole that data to be shown on HUD and HMS, but that way so it does not overflow the pilot.... Its alot more complicated and harder to do than it sounds.

    I agree. Su 35 Mig 29k sensor good thumbsup

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Austin on Fri May 20, 2016 6:18 am

    Any idea how DIRCM works in conjuction with MAWS ? I see PAK-FA with DIRCM & MAWS plus Ka-52 and Mi-8 has DIRCM/MAWS ?

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri May 20, 2016 9:17 am

    Militarov wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Austin wrote:Sorry I dont want to cross link this from other board but rather then copy pasting it thought would do justice linking it

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?134900-Rafale-news-amp-discussion-part-XVI&p=2308685#post2308685

    Rafale Sensor Fusion is Impressive , Thought would ask if Su-35 has any thing similar in Sensor Fusion ?

    To certain extend only i am afraid. Russians are still to master real data fusion that West was very keen on developing last 2 decades. But they are getting better. Data fusion requires very fast data bus and some high end processors, many of them actually, hyper threading is the key. Naturally some high end programming too.

    That's a bizarre conclusion considering the Su-35 has longer ranged nose mounted radar compared to it's Western counterparts, L-band AESA in it's leading edge of its wings, IRST as well as it's designed to be integrated into VKS IADs C4, if anything it says that planes like Su-35 has superior sensor fusion not inferior. PAK-FA should be able to surpass that especially when KRET (in the 2018-2020 time frame) will be introducing ROFAR based smart-skin suite.

    One thing is having various sensors with their certain characteristics, totally different thing is having real efficient fusion on that data you are recieving from those sensors.

    Su-35 is good step up compared to previous Russian designs, however they still have alot to improve and learn. Filtering false inputs, filtering clutter, filtering background noises, crossmatching various "there-not_there" inputs to form information, then organising whole that data to be shown on HUD and HMS, but that way so it does not overflow the pilot.... Its alot more complicated and harder to do than it sounds.

    Too much filtering and too much reliance on technology:
    - Things will not work as expected
    - The opponent will find ways to fool the gadgets
    - The pilot may begin to have doubts on the system provided information during crucial times
    - More things to break down
    - Who needs pilots anymore?

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  sepheronx on Fri May 20, 2016 9:21 am

    Answer to last one is that if no Pilot, planes are going to have a hard time in the future due to electronic warfare. This over reliance on such unmanned technology is a curse more so an answer. EW equipment is getting very sophisticated. Apparently Russia's new EW systems can shut down various subsystems and satellite systems. So imagine what else it could do.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri May 20, 2016 11:29 am

    Militarov wrote: One thing is having various sensors with their certain characteristics, totally different thing is having real efficient fusion on that data you are recieving from those sensors.

    Su-35 is good step up compared to previous Russian designs, however they still have alot to improve and learn. Filtering false inputs, filtering clutter, filtering background noises, crossmatching various "there-not_there" inputs to form information, then organising whole that data to be shown on HUD and HMS, but that way so it does not overflow the pilot.... Its alot more complicated and harder to do than it sounds.


    no question about level of integration complicity but what is hard basis for statement that Russians have yet to reach current French level? so far I saw marketing oriented discussion with link you provided earlier on but any real comparison?

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Militarov on Fri May 20, 2016 3:10 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:

    Too much filtering and too much reliance on technology:
    - Things will not work as expected
    - The opponent will find ways to fool the gadgets
    - The pilot may begin to have doubts on the system provided information during crucial times
    - More things to break down
    - Who needs pilots anymore?

    Data fusion also means you share sensor pickups with other platforms, UAVs, ground surveilance equipment and teams, AWACs, satelites, naval assets and all in real time and you have symbols showing you from which sensors or external feed is that data coming, its extremly useful, beyond imagination, however it needs to be done properly, its mostly software oriented problem tho.

    Ofc things wont work as expected, what does? Thats why you need decades of experience with certain technology to iron it down.

    They cant fool all of them, also there is reason why i said various filters must exist to remove false data, clutter etc, to deal with deception.

    Data fusion does not require special hardware on its own, just needs more powerful computers, you still use your HUD and HMS as we do today, not much more to "break".

    Pilots will be around for long time Smile

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Austin on Fri May 20, 2016 4:50 pm

    I dont understand how is EO DAS technology in JSF is different from that on PAK-FA ? Does it provide 360 * video picture of outside wearing a helmet on PAK-FA besides other things like MAWS.

    Every one claims it has Sensor Fusion , Some say it is just data co-relation and not real sensor fusion , They say only JSF has real sensor fusion and as such is miles ahead of any thing out there

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri May 20, 2016 9:26 pm

    The quality of the fused data will depend on the quality of individual bits gathered by the various sensors.
    In other words, the fused information can be completely wrong if too much filtration and elimination is happening.
    Small errors at the individual sensor level will result into huge errors at the fused level.
    In my opinion, the pilot's brain should be doing the fusion of the various information/data gathred by the various sensors.
    No machine, device or technology can replace the human brain.

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    Post  franco on Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:07 pm

    MOSCOW, June 3 -. The pilots Western military district ( ZVO ) trained management with the latest multi-purpose fighter Su-35 in the Lipetsk center, which will go into service ZVO end of this year, said the head of the press service of the district Igor Mugina.

    In the theoretical lessons pilots mastered the tactical and technical characteristics of the aircraft, especially its piloting and technological base.

    "After passing the theory of aircraft crews have passed a specialized course on the ground simulators, performing flights on a circle, along the route and in the zone, as well as worked to intercept air targets", - he said.

    Two managers of Su-35 advanced multi-role super-maneuverable fighter planned to introduce in the fighter units of mixed aviation division ZVO end of this year.

    NOTE: Besovets is the rumored location of the next Su-35 unit to be formed.

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    Post  Isos on Fri Jun 03, 2016 7:34 pm

    franco wrote:MOSCOW, June 3 -. The pilots Western military district ( ZVO ) trained management with the latest multi-purpose fighter Su-35 in the Lipetsk center, which will go into service ZVO end of this year, said the head of the press service of the district Igor Mugina.

    In the theoretical lessons pilots mastered the tactical and technical characteristics of the aircraft, especially its piloting and technological base.

    "After passing the theory of aircraft crews have passed a specialized course on the ground simulators, performing flights on a circle, along the route and in the zone, as well as worked to intercept air targets", - he said.

    Two managers of Su-35 advanced multi-role super-maneuverable fighter planned to introduce in the fighter units of mixed aviation division ZVO end of this year.

    NOTE: Besovets is the rumored location of the next Su-35 unit to be formed.

    How much time do they need to be ablle to fly it ? Lot of training can be done on ground for instruments (using radar and cumputers) training or do they need to fly to use them ?

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    Post  franco on Fri Jun 03, 2016 7:50 pm

    Isos wrote:
    franco wrote:MOSCOW, June 3 -. The pilots Western military district ( ZVO ) trained management with the latest multi-purpose fighter Su-35 in the Lipetsk center, which will go into service ZVO end of this year, said the head of the press service of the district Igor Mugina.

    In the theoretical lessons pilots mastered the tactical and technical characteristics of the aircraft, especially its piloting and technological base.

    "After passing the theory of aircraft crews have passed a specialized course on the ground simulators, performing flights on a circle, along the route and in the zone, as well as worked to intercept air targets", - he said.

    Two managers of Su-35 advanced multi-role super-maneuverable fighter planned to introduce in the fighter units of mixed aviation division ZVO end of this year.

    NOTE: Besovets is the rumored location of the next Su-35 unit to be formed.

    How much time do they need to be ablle to fly it ? Lot of training can be done on ground for instruments (using radar and cumputers) training or do they need to fly to use them ?

    Flying and ground crew training both need to be done first.

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